Bloods + Crips + Religious Zealotry = Hezbollah/Hamas

[SoCalDem]

Hezbollah/Hamas are more like gangs than anything else. A vacuum of effective power breeds gangs.

You look at any gang-infested area, and you will see the same things, regardless of the "resident gangs"..

There will be substandard housing, poor sanitation, lack of jobs, shitty schools, poor people as far as the eye can see, and a general malaise. There is no hope...only NEED.

When the duly instituted leadership turns a blind eye to those needs, local people step up.Having no access to real jobs, they resort to whatever it takes. As bad as the gangsters are, and as dangerous as they are, probably most of them started down their path because they were frustrated, and tired of seeing their Granny or their Mom doing without. The fact that they rob people, break into houses, steal cars, etc for a "living", they are big men in their community because THEY are providing goods and services to their own people....goods and services they would not otherwise have.

Are they bad people...sure... but they exist because there is a void in their community and they fill it..

Hopelessness, poverty, anger, envy, fear and frustration create a dangerous mixture..

Those things created most of the "rogue groups" of history.

The only difference with the "gangs" of the middle east...they have bigger weapons, they pray more and they are not very into "bling".. Their attachment to their "hood" is about the same..

[Libertino]

1. You're probably stretching it

Sure, there are parallels(in general).

However, the religious/political aspect of Hezbohlla(and similar groups) weakens the parallel.

p.s. "The fact that they rob people, break into houses, steal cars, etc for a "living", they are big men in their community because THEY are providing goods and services to their own people....goods and services they would not otherwise have."_____this is definitely a stretch. I grew up (and still live) in the inner city. And I could reasuure you that the gangs are not providing us with needed services.

[MadHound]

2. Puhleeze, give up the crude propaganda

Hamas/Hezbollah are completely different that American street gangs. They provide food and services for their people. Unlike American street gangs, Hamas/Hezbollah doesn't steal from their own people. Instead they protect their people, provide them goods and services that couldn't otherwise be had, because of Israeli actions like blockades, etc. They are much more like a governmental entity than a street gang.

I would suggest that you go do some research before you write any more such biased bullshit.

[Master Mahon]

3. Understanding Hezbullah of Lebanon for What it Really Is

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2005%20Opinion%20Editorials/March/14%20o/Understanding%20Hezbullah%20of%20Lebanon%20for%20What%20it%20Really%20Is%20By%20Sam%20Hamod.htm

By Sam Hamod
Al-Jazeerah, March 14, 2005


It is time that America understood Hezbullah for what it really is, not what the Israelis and their Zionist friends say it is.

Hezbullah is a social, political, educational, medical and military organization based primarily among the Shi’a of Lebanon. In addition, Hezbullah also includes many Sunni and even Christians who ally themselves with Hezbullah because of the good this organization does in Lebanon. Many of the doctors who work in their centers, as well as teachers in their schools are Christian and Druze.
As the Christian President of Lebanon, Emile Lahoud said of Hezbullah, when it was under attack by President Bush, “Hezbollah is an integral part of the Lebanese government, it is also part of our military, it part of our social order.” This was echoed by the late, beloved, Prime Minister, Rafiq Al-Harriri.
This is the truth about Hezbullah; not what Bush and his Zionist cronies, and the uneducated Conde Rice has to say about the organization.

Let us look at what Hezbullah has done in Lebanon: it has set up over 50 hospitals; it has set up over 100 schools (secular schools primarily) and many libraries; it has participated in the governing of Lebanon in the parliament and in the life of the country; it has driven the Israelis out of southern Lebanon and kept them out—to this day, it is the force that stands guard against another Israeli invasion of Lebanon. Many of us who witnessed that, and Robert Fisk, the esteemed, award-winning columnist for the Independent of the United Kingdom will back me up on this, saw the Hezbullah fighters armed with small weapons, mines, bazookas and human bombs chase the Israeli tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, armored cars and troops out of Lebanon.Even with planes and helicopters, the Israelis could not sustain themselves in Lebanon; they were defeated by the Hezbullah.

Thus, at this point, Israel is the biggest campaigner to have Hezbullah labeled a “terrorist organization” by the world—but all that Hezbullah did was to kick the Israelis out of Lebanese land—to kick the occupying Israeli IDF off of Lebanese soil This was defensive action; not offensive action. Hezbullah has never invaded Israel, nor has Hezbullah ever attacked Americans—though the U.S. media said it has—but this is nothing but lies. True, some of the Shi’a did fight back, as Amal, against the Americans when the American troops were siding with the Falangist Gemeyal family in attacking the Muslims, especially the Shi’a—but it was not then Hezbullah and every honest historian knows this. But there is no end to lies that the Zionists will go to because of their shame at being beaten by Hezbullah.
So why is Hezbullah labeled as a “terrorist organization”—it’s pure and simple, because it is a strong nationalist Lebanese force that refuses to bow to Israel or America or the Falangists.

Remember in America the patriots who fought against the British; Hezbullah is like those American patriots—just fighting for their land, their country. As an American, I am all for that. Any decent, educated and moral human being is for that.

We must call those who label as liars those who call Hezbullah a “terrorist organization” because they have no facts to back up their assertions. That Hezbullah defeated the Israelis is a fact, that the Israelis were an illegal occupying force in southern Lebanon (the area of the Shi’a) is a fact, that Hezbullah is now part of the Lebanese defense forces is a fact, that Hezbullah ever attacked American troops is an out and out lie.

It is time the world, especially the American people, knew the truth about Hezbullah and its charitable work, its social work, its medical work, its educational work and its standing in the hearts of most Lebanese and its standing in the Lebanese government. The lies of President Bush and his mistress of state, Conde Rice, must be undone. Tell your friends the truth; perhaps in that way, the truth will prevail over the propaganda Bush and Rice are putting out in the world.