Read it and weep

[serryjw]

We are all responsible
http://www.abqjournal.com/opinion/guest_columns/475873opinion07-14-06.htm

[mmonk]

1. No,

but we will all be judged so.

[serryjw]

3. We are responsible

because every one likes OUR way of life...not only republicans. I am was raised Jewish, BUT got accused of being an anti-semite because I never saw a temple have a food bank, help the homeless or get involved in solving the local communities problems. We all have apart in this problem and few care enough to work to fix it. WE here on DU are such a small percent of Americans.

[mmonk]

14. My way of life

has nothing to do with my government's foreign policy. Fomenting war isn't why I live the way I do nor provide for my family. That's a guilt by association method.

[raccoon]

16. Me either. But people in other countries aren't likely to think of it

that way.

Germans who were taken POW by Russia, those that survived, that is, some of them didn't make it back to Germany until early 1950's.

Not to mention all the German women who were raped by invading armies in the closing days of the war.

It wouldn't have helped either group to say, "Hey, I didn't vote for him."

Someday we may have to personally pay for the Junta's multitude of fuckups, (and not just the Junta's) whether we're red or blue.

[mmonk]

18. I'm sure they won't.

That's one of the many bad aspects of what's going on.

[serryjw]

20. Of course it does........

We wage war(without guns) everyday in dozens of countries of the world for your/my way of life. When ever someone on DU says (yesterday) and today I will vote for ANYONE with a D after their name, you become the problem. UNTIL we demand that the entire world get their fair share, we are all the problem. Do you drive a car? How many miles a year do you drive? How large a 'footprint' do you make? The point is that we are all part of it.Why is it when Zogby asks people ALWAYS think they have a great REP/SENATOR, it's the OTHER guy that is the problem?

[EstimatedProphet]

26. That's not true

Our way of life is directly responsible for our foreign policy. Our way of life is artificial ease. We get by on the sweat and blood of the third world. What if, for example, banana harvesters were paid a decent wage? Would you still buy as many if they were $5 a pound instead of $.49 a pound?

[seemslikeadream]

27. i and i way of life absolutely is responsible for it's effects on others

every bit of food i and i waste, every gallon of gas i and i use. i and i must take personal responsibility for i and i waste when so many of the world have so little.

Marcus Garvey's words come to pass,
Marcus Garvey's words come to pass,

Ain't got no food to eat,
Ain't got no money to spend, wo-oo-oo
Ain't got no food to eat,
Ain't got no money to spend, woo-oo-oo

Come, little one and let me do what i can do for you
And you and you alone
Come, little one, come wo-oo-oo
Let me do all i can do for you and you alone, woo-oo-oo

He who knows the right thing
And do it not
Shall be spanked with many stripes,

Weeping and wailing and moaning,
You've got yourself to blame, I tell you.
Do right do right do right do right do right,
Do right do right do right do right do right
Tell ya to do right, woo-oo-oo
Beg ya to do right, woo -oo- oo

Where is bagawire, he's nowhere to be found
He can't be found
First betrayer who gave away Marcus Garvey
Son of satan, first prophesy,
hold 'em Marcus hold 'em
prohey fulfilled
Catch them, Garvey old

Prophesy fullfilled
Catch them Garvey, catch them woo-oo-oo
Hold them Marcus, hold them woo-oo-oo
Marcus garvey, marcus woo-oo-oo

[northzax]

28. guilt by association is what happens in a democracy

when you have a government that is of, by and for the people, as ours is billed, we are collectively responsible for the actions of our government, good and bad. We can't claim plausible deniability. sorry, it's the way it is. in a democratic republic, you get the government you collectively deserve and earn. We have ours, like it or not.

[Buns_of_Fire]

2. It could be subtitled "Damned if you do, damned if you don't"

Peace Activists Bear Weight of the World

By Jeanne Pahls
World Peace Forum delegate

Recently my husband and I were delegates to the World Peace Forum in Vancouver, British Colombia. One afternoon during the conference I happened upon a conversation between two women, one a Canadian and the other South African:

"The people in the US should be judged," one woman was saying. "They elected him again."

"People here say, 'I'm not against the U.S. people, I'm against the U.S. government," the other said. "Everyone says, 'I'm not anti-American', but I think it's time to judge the Americans."

I told them I was from the U.S. There was anger in their eyes as they asserted their point again. The young woman from South Africa said "People from the U.S. come to South Africa to help us organize. I tell them: 'Don't come here. We'll figure it out ourselves. Go back to your own country and straighten it out.' "

more at link...

Apparently, in some sections of the world, just saying "I didn't vote for the asshole" isn't going to be a free pass much longer. Thanks for nothing, Chucklenuts.

[silverojo]

7. In that case, fuck 'em.

<<Apparently, in some sections of the world, just saying "I didn't vote for the asshole" isn't going to be a free pass much longer.>>

I'd like to see those big-mouths come here and actually do something about Bush. Hell, they're not even living under our government, but they won't do anything to rescue us from our oppressor!

And the British...yeah, I really want to hear THEIR opinions. They went and re-elected Blair, so who are they to criticize us?

It's not OUR fault our votes didn't count, and I'm sick and tired of these chickenshit foreigners criticizing us for something we're helpless to do anything about. Why don't they ask THEIR governments to unite and help us be free again? Until they get off their butts and do anything, they can just STFU as far as I'm concerned.

[Guaranteed]

8. It's not their responsibility.

It's ours, and ours alone.

[EstimatedProphet]

31. Ding! We have a winner!

The point exactly!

[serryjw]

11. If you believe this problem started with

* you are either not paying attention, is as partisan as republicans, or your living in a fantasy world. This is a 50 year problem involving both sides of the aisle. When are democrats going to recognize that it isn't right v left, democrat v conservative, It is the Corpotocracy vs working/middle class. Until you stand up and ADMIT you are an alcoholic, you can't start the road to recovery. That's why this will never be fixed. If you have not read it; go buy Confessions of an Economic Hitman

[bdamomma]

13. no one is going to rescue us

it is us that must rescue ourselves.

[serryjw]

21. .because it has been going on for 50 years

under democratic and republican control. Yes, it is worse and more obvious under *'s administration.

[William Seger]

4. If we started right now...

... with IMPEACHMENT, it would still take at least a generation to undo the damage Bush*Co has done to the U.S. standing in the world.

[serryjw]

5. You're being kind

There are things that could never be reversed. What he has done to the federal courts will never be fixed.

[Mythsaje]

6. If the Dems gained power once again

and initiated serious investigations, I believe that many judges can be impeached based on the fact that their appointments were "fruit of a poison tree" and simply an extention of a corrupt administration.

That's just my take on it, but that's how I'd clean it up again.

[serryjw]

9. Doesn't sound like you have much

of a legal background but your heart is in the right place. Fantasies serve a purpose.

[Mythsaje]

15. It all depends on how far they want to take it...

A corrupt and villainous bunch cannot seed the courts with their own corrupt minions with impugnity...I would think that it would be obvious that it would be detrimental to the democratic process.

If they could nail the administration with enough evidence of high crimes, I DO think they could turn public opinion to demanding that the appointments be overturned.

It all depends on how far they wanted to go.

And as far as a legal background goes...I'm not so naive to assume that it can't be done if people are sufficiently motivated. Law and precedent is hardly an impediment to THIS administration and its enablers.

[serryjw]

22. Unfortunately, not possible

They will have to die or retire before we can attempt to fix it. THE PROCESS was constitutional. * is allowed to nominate anyone he wants, then the congress confirms. We couldn't get justice for Valerie & Joe, how do you expect to impeach a sitting justice because you don't like his ideology?

[Mythsaje]

25. Nothing is impossible...

Improbable to an extreme...but if the last 6 years have shown us anything, it's that NOTHING is impossible.

[welshTerrier2]

10. read it and weep indeed ...

can we please have our own party speak like that to the American people??? i agree that we each have to do more to spread this message but it's pretty difficult to be effective when neither major party backs us up ...

thanks for posting this ... a well deserved k&r !!!

[seemslikeadream]

12. Child-abuse, yeah, child-abuse yeah, Everywhere is war.

Until the philosophy,
Which holds one race superior
And another inferior,
Is finally and permanently
Discredited and abandoned,
Everywhere is war.

WAR

Until there is no longer first class
Or second class citizens of any nation.
Until the color of a man's skin,
Is of no more significance than
The color of his eyes,
I've got to say "war".

WAR

That until the basic human rights,
Are equally guaranteed to all,
Without regard to race,
I'll say "war"

Until that day the dream of lasting peace,
World-citizenship and the rule of
International morality will remain
Just a fleeting illusion to be pursued,
But never obtained.
And everywhere is war.

Until the ignoble and unhappy regime
Which holds all of us through,
Child-abuse, yeah, child-abuse yeah,
Sub-human bondage has been toppled,
Utterly destroyed,
Everywhere is war.

War in the east,
War in the west,
War up north,
War down south,
There is war,
And the rumors of war.

Until that day,
the african continent will know no peace
There is no continent,
Which will know peace.

Children, children.

Fight!

We find it necessary.
We know we will win.
We have confidence in the victory
Of good over evil
Of good over evil

Fight the real enemy!

[serryjw]

19. Fabulous......Beautiful

Who wrote it?

[seemslikeadream]

24. Bob Marley

A song from Bob Marley which Sinead
did sing during the well known
"Pope-incident" in Saterday Night Live
It's on her new album




:hi: jah bless serryjw

SLaD

[Xenotime]

17. America is now a police state..

There is state sanctioned murders in every state and if you protest, you are a criminal.

[genie_weenie]

23. That's true and THAT is why

it's time the people of the world take responsibilty for themselves and remove all Governments who's job it is to kill "other" people, steal resources and prop "their" peoples up...

[serryjw]

29. We're making progress

several on this thread understand that it's our problem and we must take responsibility for fixing it.....this didn't happen in a vacuum, only this time the world is watching.

I'm as guilty at most..my TV has ben on MSNBC since the conflict happened 5 days ago....IT's insane how much the media loves this...they THINK they are doing their job.

[genie_weenie]

30. Of course they love it. Hell, in 6 months this

will lead to journalism awards, high priced dinners and pay raises for those covering Death & Destruction.

As far as the continuing cycle of killings, I don't know what to do. I won't offer any platitudes or self-congratulating sentences about my moral indignation because those don't help.

[serryjw]

32. No you're right it

won't help. The death & destruction will continue and few even batted their eyes over the w/e. I was so sick, I didn't petition for 4 days.