Cindy Sheehan wants a smoothie

[Rex_Goodheart]

I'm sorry, but Ms. Sheehan has a talent for making herself look ridiculous. Smoothies are allowed during "fasts"?

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/3794/1/198/

She lost me when she described Katrina, which destroyed my home town, as a "little wind" because it had distracted from her own stunt of that night.

Cindy, I'm terribly sorry you lost your son, and I certainly won't tell you how to grieve. But I don't think you're helping the anti-war cause any more.

[Dinger]

1. Aren't You The One That Just Posted Something About Clinton Being A War

criminal? Now Cindy's bad too? C-ya.

[Rex_Goodheart]

6. Read my posts on this board...

And you'll quickly see that I'm far from a Republican/rightwinger/conservative.

If we can't maintain legitimacy we're lost.

[Dinger]

9. I Read This One, & Others.

Guess I'll be reading your posts in the future. We'll see . . .

[CottonBear]

40. What do you mean by legitimacy?

Why do you want to limit free speech by any Amercian citizen including Mrs. Sheehan?

Why are you not protesting the war?

Why do all Democrats and progressives have to walk and speak in lockstep?

Do you not agree that the moral authority of a mother who has lost her son in war is absolute?

[Township75]

2. Did she really?

"she described Katrina, which destroyed my home town, as a "little wind" because it had distracted from her own stunt of that night."

Did she really say that? Please provide a link. This may be well established already, as I don't follow Cindy very closely, but I have not heard of it yet.

Thanks

[durrrty libby]

11. Sad that the thread starter doesn't know the name of

the hurricane that destroyed his hometown.

:dunce: :thumbsdown:

[Rex_Goodheart]

13. I'm from New Orleans...

Katrina destroyed my hometown. Within a week Rita wiped out much of the rest of Louisiana, including portions where I had lived. I mostly recall being pissed about what she said, rather than if it was Katrina or Rita, which to me was one long week of Louisiana nightmare.

[Swamp Rat]

39. Incorrect

The RESPONSE and lack thereof during the aftermath of Katrina, and the breached levees due to neglect and human error destroyed a large portion of New Orleans.

Rita did NOT "wipe(d) out much of the rest of Louisiana." That is a gross exaggeration.

It does New Orleans and Louisiana residents a great disservice to post this misinformation while claiming to be a New Orleanian. You may be from here but you are NOT here.

[Joe Fields]

43. Aren't you splitting hairs here?

If there were no hurricanes, then there would not have been any damage.

If you want to talk about degrees of damage, then you can begin to lay blame at city, state and govt. officials for their lack of preparedness and inaction.

But, even if all govt. officials had done their jobs, Katrina and Rita would have been diasters of major proportions, by any standard.

[Swamp Rat]

60. no

Just stating facts... and not answering "ifs."

[DoYouEverWonder]

47. Many of the people who were in Crawford last August

went directly to Covington, LA to help with the hurricane relief effort. A lot of the tents and supplies from the Crawford camp were donated to people in need in LA. Cindy puts her money where her mouth is, I don't begrudge her having a smoothie.

[prole_for_peace]

54. it wasn't a week between the two hurricanes

katrina was in the last week of august and rita the third week of september. they were almost a whole month apart.

[katinmn]

75. Then you should know that Sheehan along with Vets for Peace were

in NOLA weeks before Bush and FEMA, delivering food and other supplies to residents!

[LA lady]

12. She said it

A lot of Louisiana and Texas folks were frustrated by the remarks:

rita (3.33 / 3)
i am watching cnn and it is 100 percent rita...even though it is a little wind and a little rain...it is bad, but there are other things going on in this country today...and in the world!!!!
by CindySheehan on Sat Sep 24, 2005 at 06:29:15 AM PDT



http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/9/24/85619/4714/25

[Ravenseye]

30. Well doesn't that prove she didn't?

She didn't say Katrina, she said Rita. Different storms.

[yodermon]

56. And here is her apology for making that post.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/9/24/85619/4714/110#c110

i am sorry
when i was watching cnn this morning, that's what it was...i know it was much worse earlier and it was devastating, i didn't make myself clear and i apologize.

i also know that the media will cover anything else besides the war.

[Name removed]

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[AllNamesHaveBeenUsed]

4. It was Hurricane Rita

The Daily KOS was all over her for it:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/9/24/85619/4714/25

[jedicord]

16. "Anti-American Left"

That phrase used by the author. Suspect.

[AllNamesHaveBeenUsed]

21. Yeah...

I remember the flap at Daily KOS when it occurred. The original link I posted was the first I found in my search. Not an objective "news" organization... After reading the article, I replaced it with the KOS link.

[trotsky]

5. I don't know all the details of this hunger strike, but...

if the strike is to last until all the troops come home, what is reasonable for her to consume? Clearly she can't go without food entirely for the years it will take, so what kind of minimal life-sustaining nourishment do you think is "acceptable" during a hunger strike? "blended juice drinks with protein powder" sounds pretty minimal to me.

But hey, why not bash her some more. Karl Rove will love ya for it.

[Tarc]

7. One does not have to be a righty

to think Sheehan is a simplistic glory hound.

[noonwitch]

33. I agree, I'm sick of her

Nobody is paying attention to her anymore, at least no one who has any kind of power to stop the war. A lot of the things she says are not things I want to be associated with.

I'm sorry she lost her son, I'm sorry for anyone who loses their kid in war or any other circumstance. She really needs to take some time to rest and to greive for him, for her own sake, or she's going to have a nervous breakdown. I don't think that she's that far from having one now.

[Snivi Yllom]

50. Starving for Attention

That's what Cindy Sheehan is about at this point.

She dilluted her own message.

[Tarc]

61. intentionally or not

"Starving for Attention" comes out as a pretty funny line, in regards to this topic. :)

The problem with Sheehan now is that she just has too much baggage, with all the stupid Katrina/Rita comments and the like. The rightys have an easy out when dealing with her, as all they have to do is bring this stuff up and all the messages about Iraq get lost in the blizzard.

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. Baloney

She has revived the peace movement in this country. She is in constant demand as a speaker. This week, she is in Europe on a speaking tour. It is nearly impossible to book her; her calendar is full for months.

That is not the sign of a dilluted message. Not in the least.

[coalition_unwilling]

55. Who does have the power to stop the war? Since you allege

thgat no one who has any kind of power to stop the war is listening to Sheehan, who has the power to stop the war? Tell me who?

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. You couldn't be more wrong

12000 people joined her last August, a couple thousand more at Thanksgiving and Easter. And a large crowd is expected in a month when Camp Casey opens up in August.

A LOT of people are paying attention to her.

And she couldn't be more sane. You don't know her at all, do you? If you did, you would never have made that ridiculous remark about a nervous breakdown.

[Rex_Goodheart]

10. Then she shouldn't publicize it as a hunger strike in the first place.

It's as simple as that. She makes her cause look stupid.

[winter999]

18. Agreed!

The freepers are having a field day with this. How does this help the movement? It's turning into a joke.

[Puglover]

25. And why would you give a shit what the freepers think?

Or what they joke about?

[blonndee]

19. It's publicized as a "Troops Home Fast,"

not a hunger strike. http://www.codepinkalert.org/article.php?list=type&type=144

[Rex_Goodheart]

22. Good lord... the website, itself, says "hunger strike"

Join Us! On July 4, CODEPINK and Gold Star Families launched an historic hunger strike called TROOPS HOME FAST,

[blonndee]

23. Right, it's a type of hunger strike, but it's publicized as a fast.

Besides, a hunger strike doesn't necessarily mean that one consumes absolutely no nutrients. Why are you so insistent on defining it in your own way?

[trotsky]

20. Limbaugh, Hannity, Liddy, Coulter, Malkin, Hume, Medved, etc.

All make the right wing cause look stupid. Hasn't hurt them much, has it? In fact, it's kind of the opposite. It keeps elements within their party interested and engaged.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

45. It's a fast, not a hunger strike.

Juices and such are generally allowed during fasts. In my non-violent resistance training, we were taught that if we chose to fast then we should be consuming juices and some protein powder.

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. She isn't publicizing it as a hunger strike

It's called a 'Troops Home FAST'

Easy to research and find that info. :eyes:

[meganmonkey]

8. Actually, yeah

There are many kinds of fasts. And if someone is fasting while still trying to travel and protest and demonstrate, they do need a little protein and sugar so they don't pass out.

So if you disagree with Cindy's methods, what are your ideas of how to improve the anti-war movement? I'd love to hear them.

:popcorn:

[deaniac21]

36. You are right about that. I once chained myself to a table at

Baskin-Robbins to protestthe 2000 'selection'. I gained 15 pounds before I was arrested.

[fasttense]

14. She lost her son in a war started over lies

and you criticize the grieving mother over how she organizes her hunger strike? Hmm, seems you are criticizing the wrong people. How many funerals have the bushes gone to? How many children have the bushes lost in this war?

[Puglover]

15. I'd be really curious just exactly what the fuck

you are doing to end this war? Aside from sniping about Cindy Sheehan that is. You should really check out her interview on Hardball with Nora Oddonell and see how ridculous she looks there. Your post is bullshit and pure flamebait.

[bbernardini]

17. Even Gandhi consumed liquids during his fasts. With lime juice, even.

No, I'm not comparing Cindy to Gandhi. Just pointing out that even the man who was legendary for fasting consumed liquids during his fasts.

[deaniac21]

26. He wasn't eating much...

[NYCGirl]

27. There's a BIG difference between water with lime juice (to prevent scurvy,

I'd assume) and a Jamba Juice, which can cause you to gain weight.

http://jambajuice.com/what/index.html

[deaniac21]

29. WOW, that stuff is LOADED!

[NYCGirl]

32. It sure is. And they're so good — I sometimes have one for a meal.

Edited to add: I've been getting what they call "enlightened" versions — they have less calories than the big monsters.

[LittleClarkie]

57. I do kinda wish they didn't have Ghandi's picture up for this thing

It's not quite that kind of fast.

But I repeat, some in the fast ARE doing a water-only. It's all different.

[mogster]

24. Well, an analysis

Here's the quote, from the Rita hurricane, not Katrina. Let's hope it's accurate.

"i am watching cnn and it is 100 percent rita...even though it is a little wind and a little rain...it is bad, but there are other things going on in this country today...and in the world!!!!"

This and a cup of coffee makes you think she's not helping the anti-war cause anymore?

At least you must admit that you missed out which hurricane destroyed your hometown and which hurricane Sheehan mentioned ;-)

That leaves a cup of coffee in disfavor of Ms. Sheehan. If you're really picky, lol

[gWbush is Mabus]

28. the hurricane didn't do the damage - it was the levees breaking

[mogster]

44. Awright

That's an important point. Sorry about that :-)

[dogday]

31. And what are you doing to help the

anti-war cause? Cause this post doesn't help it at all.. You do the same thing you accuse Cindy of doing.....

[dorkulon]

34. This is ridiculous--coffee with vanilla ice cream?

I've been put off by this thing since I found out most of the "hunger strikers" were fasting for 24 hours. I can't believe they kicked this thing off at a Gandhi memorial

From a code pink press release:

The organizers call on a long history of fasts for political purposes, claiming their place among the Suffragettes, Mahatmas Gandhi and Cesar Chavez. In honor of this rich history, the fasters will gather at the Gandhi memorial statue a Massachusetts and 21st NW on July 3 at 3pm, then march to Pennsylvania Avenue for the meal and press conference at 5pm. In other parts of the country, people will engage in rolling fasts, passing the fast from person to person every 24 hours.

...and now we find out the 'real' fasters are drinking ice cream lattes and smoothies. Is this helpful or just embarrassing?

I'd say this accurately represents the level of commitment of the antiwar left. Maybe if there was a draft on, people would give more of a crap.

[LittleClarkie]

49. Diane from Code Pink is NOT drinking smoothies. She's on a water fast

and it has no end date.

She is hardcore.

http://www.codepinkalert.org//article.php?id=1015

[Terran1212]

35. Most people can drink when they fast

So while you're calling her ridiculous how's your Muslim fast with no water food or sex coming along? I mean that's what you expected of her right?!

[Swamp Rat]

37. This New Orleanian thinks Cindy Sheehan is GREAT!

And so does everone else I know currently living in New Orleans.

Also, you have misquoted Sheehan. She was talking about hurricane Rita.

[uppityperson]

38. She is keeping it in the public's eye. Thanks CIndy

She has a point, for example, don't only focus on Israel War right now, there are other things going on in the world too. Yes it is hugely important, but keep working on voting, campaigning, Iraq, etc etc etc.

If you don't think Cindy is helping, just ignore her.

[meganmonkey]

41. I'll ask you again, Rex

on behalf of myself and several others who have posed some variation of these questions to you on this thread (and have all remained unanswered).

What are your ideas for making the anti-war movement more effective?

and

What are YOU doing to end this war?

[Name removed]

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[proud2BlibKansan]

68. I second that

LOL

[insane_cratic_gal]

46. What exactly are you doing to change the world?

Not to smash on you but don't you think your being overly critical?
At least she's out there on the front lines, she has a CAUSE an ACTIOn that doesn't require she sit on her ass in front of a computer playing "Democracy fighter" with pixels and MS Word.

Consistency has never been something the Democratic party seems to adhere to. Large tents, moderates, and leaders alike who can not agree on what message they need to send. Look at Obama, look at Feingold, then look at Reid, you'll notice a great discrepancy between all 3 in their messages.

So people need to stop ragging on Cindy, I think most people are able to make up their own minds about where they stand or do not stand with her on the issues.

[LittleClarkie]

48. Here's her blog at the Peace House

http://crawfordpeace.nfshost.com/blog/2803

Here's a good link that explains exactly what this is, and is not:

www.codepinkalert.com

Everyone is doing something different.

Diane from Code Pink is doing a water-only, open-ended fast. Here's a good interview from her

http://www.codepinkalert.org//article.php?id=1015

Some are doing a liquid fast, and only for a limited time. That would be Cindy I guess. She's drinking protein shakes and only going til September. But then how do you travel and continue speaking at events if you are weak.

Others, if they want to show solidarity, can do a one day fast. It seems pretty loose.

[Red1]

51. Trivial

The left only has one peace advocate with credibility, Cindy Sheehan.
The right has no peace icons.

[LittleClarkie]

53. I thought that soldier who refused to fight was doing pretty well as well

And I wouldn't forget Feingold.

[meisje]

52. Next she'll be ordering a "Pizza In A Cup"

[dorkulon]

62. Just make sure to puree it first!

That way it's not technically "eating!" :eyes:

[lonestarnot]

58. blah blah blah... yawn.

[LWolf]

59. Fasting

by refusing solid food and existing on protein drinks is still fasting. She sure as hell wouldn't be traveling around the country or the world, active for the cause, if she stopped taking any nourishment at all.

I appreciate the energy she's put into keeping the Iraq atrocity at the forefront of public discussion.

[dorkulon]

63. So her martyrdom is interfering with her travelling?

It's supposed to be a hunger strike. The whole point is that you put yourself in jeopardy for your cause. If that cuts into your travel schedule, well then pick one, but don't do a half-assed job of it. It's a mockery of the legacy of Gandhi, Chavez and the like.

It's not a hunger strike if you're not hungry!

[LWolf]

76. The woman who organized this hunger strike,

Diane Wilson, is doing water only. Here's what she has to say about it:

<snip>

Are you fasting with only water, or will you drink other liquids?

I'm hard line; I'm doing a water-only fast. Others who are joining plan to do juice or no-solid-food fasts. A lot of people have families to take care of and work obligations or busy travel schedules. For those people, a liquid fast makes more sense. They can drink fruit juices, or anything that's liquid--just no solid food. People can make their choice about how to fast-whether water only or a liquid fast.

Do people have to come to DC to join the fast?

We'd love people to join us anytime during the summer at the White House. But they can also stay at home and fast. The important thing is to be visible. Don't just sit at home and fast. Be public. The American people need to see us.

She's an interesting woman; this is not her first hunger strike. I believe that Cindy Sheehan has joined her, doing a liquid fast that allows her to continue her work. As you can see, she is doing the "hunger strike," and inviting all to join her, each from their own ability to do so. Still, going an extended period of time on a liquid fast can leave one very hungry, if not as weakened.

The link was already posted above, but here it is again so that you can check it out:

http://www.codepinkalert.org//article.php?id=1015

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. She has single handedly revived the peace movement

You are completely wrong about this. You must not know Cindy or follow her work.

[readmoreoften]

69. Wanting a smoothie and DRINKING a smoothie are different things.

I've fasted before and I WANTED a hamburger. That doesn't mean that I broke my fast and ATE a hamburger.

[readmoreoften]

70. Oh sorry. Read the link. She is making her cause sound ridiculous.

You don't get "a little protein" on a fast. If she cheated she certainly shouldn't have admitted it. No one should ever go on a hunger strike if they aren't prepared to starve to death. It is ONLY effective when it is extremely serious. ONLY the most serious strikers should have committed to this. They look privileged and ridiculous.

[immoderate]

71. Your post is petty.

It's hard to think of anybody that has done more for our current peace movement than Cindy Sheehan. She was there when the numbers were against us, and her contribution to turning the tables is inestimable.

But is she perfect?

Let's just step back and admire the stupidity of that question.

--IMM

[me b zola]

72. rex_Badheart

:thumbsdown:

[katinmn]

73. Flame bait supremo!

[FredScuttle]

74. So ignore her then.

I doubt you'll get far with your anti-Cindy rant 'round here.