If the people do not understand what Bush and the Repubs are up to by now

[kentuck]

...then it is unlikely they will figure it out by November. The taxcuts are working. The deficits are shrinking. We have the best unemployment rate in 5 decades. We are winning the war in Iraq. Our economy has never been better. What more do they need to know? Whatever it is, I have my doubts that they will learn it by November. We cannot escape the fog of deceit.

[bryant69]

1. Overly pessimistic

Yeah a certain percentage of people will not figure it out by november, and presumably wouldn't figure it out till doomsday. But the key question is how large a portion of the population is that group?

I don't think it's that large.

Of coures it would help or will help as the Party nationalized the election. Im hoping they are smart enough to do that.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[jus_the_facts]

2. computer voting machines are still going online all over the country.....

....so it won't make a fuck who knows what where or when...regardless.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

5. and EFF is busting their chops in court all over the country

Online Policy Group v. Diebold, Inc.

Diebold, Inc., manufacturer of electronic voting machines, has been sending out many cease-and-desist letters to Internet Service Providers (ISPs), after internal documents indicating flaws in their systems were published on the Internet. The company cited copyright violations under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and demanded that the documents be taken down.

Now EFF and the Center for Internet and Society Cyberlaw Clinic at Stanford Law School are fighting back, seeking a court order on behalf of nonprofit ISP Online Policy Group (OPG) and two Swarthmore College students to prevent Diebold’s abusive copyright claims from silencing public debate about voting, the very foundation of our democratic process.

“Diebold’s blanket cease-and-desist notices are a blatant abuse of copyright law,” said EFF Staff Attorney Wendy Seltzer. “Publication of the Diebold documents is clear fair use because of their direct relevance to the debate over the accuracy of electronic voting machines.”

On Monday, EFF went to superior court in North Carolina in order to challenge e-voting recidivist Diebold and their attempt to skirt the state's strong new election transparency rules. Diebold pleaded with the court for an exemption from the statute's requirement to escrow "all software that is relevant to functionality, setup, configuration, and operation of the voting system" and to release a list of all programmers who worked on the code because... well... it simply couldn't do it. It would likely be impossible, said Diebold, to escrow all of the third party software that its system relied on (including Windows).

What a difference a few days make.

What's next? As a result of EFF's successful court challenge on Monday, Diebold is still on the hook for criminal and civil liability for failing to meet the escrow and programmer disclosure requirements of the statute.

Voting Machine Company Liable for Damages, Costs in Landmark Ruling

San Jose - In a landmark case, a California district court has determined that Diebold, Inc., a manufacturer of electronic voting machines, knowingly misrepresented that online commentators, including IndyMedia and two Swarthmore college students, had infringed the company's copyrights. This makes the company the first to be held liable for violating section 512(f) of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which makes it unlawful to use DMCA takedown threats when the copyright holder knows that infringement has not actually occured.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and the Center for Internet and Society Cyberlaw Clinic at Stanford Law School sued on behalf of nonprofit Internet Service Provider (ISP) Online Policy Group (OPG) and the two students to prevent Diebold's abusive copyright claims from silencing public debate about voting.

Requires "Sunshine" in Process of Choosing E-voting Machines

Texas - A Texas court ruled today that state voting examiners may no longer bar the public from their meetings. In the case, ACLU of Texas v. Connor, the plaintiffs argued that the Texas Open Meetings Act should apply to meetings of the voting examiners. These meetings are used to decide what kinds of electronic voting machines will be used in upcoming elections. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) was co-counsel in the case.

"The court rightly rejected Texas' policy of shutting the public out of the processes for selecting voting technologies. The need for public trust in our election systems cannot be overstated, and this is a terrific step forward for the voters of Texas," said EFF Staff Attorney Matt Zimmerman.

"This ruling allows specialists in areas including computer security, accessibility, and minority rights to offer their own skills to complement the state's official election examiners," said Dan Wallach, an assistant professor in the Department of Computer Science at Rice University and outspoken critic of poorly designed electronic voting systems.

I can list LOTS of other cases and rulings, where EFF beat the crap out of Diebold. Would you like more info, jus_the_facts?
I also know of multiple cases where EFF is going after AT&T over Net Neutrality issues.

[jus_the_facts]

6. Uh huh....preachin' to the choir in a theater of the obsurd......

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=439652&mesg_id=439652

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2718003&mesg_id=2718003

New Computer Voting Machines...yet fewer Commissioners on site......


http://www.ouachitacitizen.com/modules.php?name=News&fi...

When voters go to the polls in the July 15 election, they’ll be greeted by the traditional elections commissioners -- and a new voting machine. “They’re wonderful,” Hodge said. “The print is larger, so they’re easier to read.” “They’re also very easy to use,” Hodge added.

The new machines feature a touch screen interface. Now, instead of pulling small red levers, voters will simply touch designated spots on the computerized display.

Hodge said voters don’t need to know how to operate a computer in order to cast a ballot. They’re very user friendly,” Hodge said.

The AVC EDGE electronic voting machines were manufactured by Oakland, California-based Sequoia Voting Systems. The Secretary of State’s office purchased the machines to replace its aging fleet of manual voting machines that have been in use since the late 1960s.

“The new machines are not as big, so they’re a lot easier to deliver,” Hodge said. He also noted increased security of the new machines, which he said should speed the accuracy and timeliness of voter returns. “There’s no more vote tabulation,” Hodge said.


At the end of each voting period, a cartridge from each voting machine will be returned to the Clerk of Court’s office, where the votes from each machine will be electronically read and transmitted to Baton Rouge.

Also, each machine will produce a paper log, so results can be double-checked if necessary.
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1.5 This action seeks to vindicate the proposition that no contract, public or private, shall be permitted to undermine Article I, Section 1 of the Washington Constitution: “all political power is inherent in the people”. Plaintiffs seek relief herein based upon past damages sustained and the threat of future injury.

Jan 27, 2006. Proposed Order Granting Sequoia's Motion to Dismiss (46 KB pdf)
Jan 27, 2006. Sequoia's Motion to Dismiss (2.3 MB pdf)

Jan 27, 2006. Sequoia's Request for Judicial Notice of Facts in Support of their Motion to Dismiss (Sequoia - 3 MB pdf)

Jan 27, 2006. Motion and Declaration for Authority from the Court to Extend Length of Motion to Dismiss (Sequoia - 71 KB pdf)

August 8, 2005. Decision of the Judge on the Remand Motion (100 KB pdf)

July 7, 2005. Reply of Plaintiff on Motion to Remand (Lehto - 426 KB pdf)

July 5, 2005. Douglas Morrill Declaration (40 KB pdf)

July 5, 2005. Gordon Sivley Declaration (38 KB pdf)

July 5, 2005. Malcolm Harris Declaration (38 KB pdf)

July 5, 2005. Peter McManemy Declaration (160 KB pdf)

July 5, 2005. Snohomish's Joinder in Sequoia's Brief in Opposition to Remand Motion (34 KB pdf)

July 5, 2005. Sequoia's Brief in Opposition to Remand Motion (80 KB pdf)

June 27, 2005. Supplemental Response to the Motions to Dismiss. (Lehto - 412 KB pdf)

June 10, 2005. Motion to Remand. (Lehto - 108 KB pdf)

June 6, 2005. Response to the Motions to Dismiss. (Lehto - 117 KB pdf)

May 18, 2005. Sequoia's Motion to Dismiss or Strike Portions of the Complaint. (Sequoia - 575 KB pdf)

May 18, 2005. Snohomish County's Motion to Dismiss. (Snohomish - 141 KB pdf)

May 11, 2005. Notice of Removal to Federal Court. (Sequoia - 195 KB pdf)

May 11, 2005. Notice of Removal, to Plaintiffs. (Sequoia - 84 KB pdf)

April 7, 2005. Full text of the lawsuit. (Lehto - 179 KB pdf)

Appendix A. "Agreement Between Snohomish County, Washington and Sequoia Voting Systems, Inc. for the Purchase of the AVC Edge Electronic Voting System" (2 MB pdf)

Appendix B. "Election Irregularities in Snohomish County, Washington, General Election 2004" (393 KB pdf)

Jan 6, 2005 Press Release. Evidence Of Election Irregularities In Snohomish County, Washington, General Election, 2004

Result slip for machine 18046 showing votes but a counter equal to zero.


http://www.eff.org/Activism/E-voting /

In New Orleans, for example, several Sequoia e-voting machines broke down on election day, prompting long lines, confused voters, and litigation.

In Ohio, a Danaher electronic voting machine inexplicably added 4,000 votes for George Bush. In North Carolina, more than 4,500 votes were irretrievably lost due to a storage problem with the system provided by Unilect. And across the country, reports emerged of systems incorrectly recording their votes.

........WE WILL BE USING THESE SEQUOIA MACHINES FOR THE *FIRST* TIME THIS WEEKEND...SO DON'T PREACH TO ME HOW MUCH IS BEING DONE TO NOT KEEP IMPLEMENTING THIS SHIT ALL OVER THE COUNTRY REGARDLESS OF ANY PENDING LITIGATION! :eyes:

[Double T]

3. There is the real world beyond the washington beltway, wall street....

and msm channels. I have great faith in the 60% that won't be fooled thrice!!

[neoblues]

4. It's still our responsibility to share what we know

even if it seems hopeless. With every additional person that finally understands, the chance for a turn-around in the future increases by an amount that can't be predicted. It may be too late (almost certainly) to avoid having this nightmare grow vastly more ugly before the pendulum begins to swing back towards rationality, but the more we talk to others, the sooner that day will come. Ignorance has blighted the nation and only educating others will resolve it--how receptive they are will probably increase as times get worse, but we can't just give up. That we were lucky enough to have had the intelligence, experience and information that brought us to understand, to be able to think and appreciate what is right, just makes it our responsibility to share that understanding with those whose world led them to be the fearful, self-interested, narrow-minded people they have become. It may even seem a waste of time or otherwise be an unpaletable task, but if we don't do it... nobody will.