Katrina Vanden Heuvel and Lanny Davis on Washington Journal now.

[Skidmore]

Just a heads up for you early risers. Apparently, Lanny is backing Lieberman and is arguing with Katrina about her denouncing of Lieberman's pro-war stance and the need to do the voter's will.

[Cassandra]

1. He's also happy to slime Lamont and...

lied about Lieberman's record. Oh, that DLC... all laughs, all the time.

[itzamirakul]

2. Yeah...fighting each other about Lieberman instead of

discussing some vital issues about the current administration.

Clinton and now his former staffers are becoming more and more DINO as they prepare to shove Hillary down our throats for a sure loss in 2008.

[itzamirakul]

3. Jewish caller says it is not bigotry to say that Lieberman takes his

positions to support Israel and not the United States. THAT was interesting, to say the least.

[SoCalDem]

4. Damn that Washington Journal..

I was so pleased to see that they had lanny davis and Katrina vanden heuvel, and of COURSE..it's only to have them debate about Lieberman..

So typical... They could NOT have two liberals on to talk about something the administration is doing... They are invited to TRASH each other and two democratic candidates..

Eagerly offering up soundbytes for Karl to use against the eventual "winner".

[cornermouse]

7. Okay.

So what are Davis and vanden Heuvel going to say that the republicans haven't already thought of?

[SoCalDem]

11. Probably not much, BUT it's annoying to see democrats

trashing another democrat... especially when democrats get so little time on tv.. That time could have been used to a much better purpose..

It's so like c-span to turn it into a confrontation. It's just another slap in the face.. I can hear it now..

In a few weeks some democrat will ask Brian or whoever why they never have democrats on ..and he will say..

"Just a few weeks ago we had TWO democrats on TOGETHER".. he will not tell them that it was for a duel..:puke:

[cornermouse]

13. Its just another hurdle on the way to (hopefully) winning as many

of the races as we can. We can do it.

[Skidmore]

5. Lanny--"Joe Lieberman's a fighting progressive".

Does Lieberman pay Davis on his staff or something?

[Roland99]

25. BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

[liberaliraqvet26]

6. Lanny Davis is another Likkudnik.....

that is why he is soooo supportive of holy joe.

He's using the right wing method (repeat the same lies) over and over again.

[partylessinOhio]

9. You speak the truth loud and clear.

This performance by Lanny Davis is shameful. He is no Democrat. No way, no time, no way!

I am so disappointed that our party has been infiltrated by such scum.

[Gabi Hayes]

19. I just posted on him using the Israel card, but for him to be a party-line

Likudnik would imply that he'd be for the invasion, wouldn't it?

he did say he was opposed to the war, so where does that leave things?

[Skidmore]

8. If Davis represents the true mindsent of the Clinton camp, and I

believe he, Carville, & Begala are carrying that torch still, then it is time to move on as far as I'm concerned. The Clinton era is so over.

[SoCalDem]

10. The sad truth is that it truly all is a GAME

They play with OPM (other people's money) and win or lose, there are NO losers. Incumbents usually skate to victory after victory. If they lose, they get to keep the "left over" money..to either dole out to pals who are running, or for a future run at elected office..

Each cycle, they promise the moon, and fail to deliver..

When one is unseated, their life changes very little..or if it does, it's for the better. A "former" is worth brazillions to one of the lobbying corporations in town, so they only trade their congressional/senatorial salary for a 6-7 figure salary without the spotlight ..

Their families never have that stomach-dropping moment when the main breadwinner gets laid off/fired. Their lives go on as before, and a "new" person gets to start down that yellow brick road..

the only losers in our system, are the voters who have to hear the never-ending ads and get cramped hands from all the crossed fingers.

[Skidmore]

12. Was Davis just trying to link the language of dissent now with

"hate language?" Did I get that right? I used to have a modicum of respect for that man.

[Cassandra]

14. He clearly loathes liberals...

and equates any criticism of helping Israel with anti-Semitism. I care about Israel but if we, in helping them, hurt ourselves and make their situation worse, why are we doing it except to satisfy the cravings of the paranoid right?

His contemptuous dismissal of Connecticut callers as just a minority of voters with no facts suggests that he is the Big Daddy of the electorate and he'll tell them what's good for them. Davis has become truly insufferable.

[SoCalDem]

16. The problem I have with Israel is this.

We have nurtured and supported them forever. From a difficult "birth" in 1947(?), they have been coddled throughout their adolescence, and have grown into a rather petulant teenager. It's way past time that they got out on their own.

They have the best of everything, and claim to be the strongest "kid on the block". They knew when they started up, that they would face opposition from the people who got "moved".. Did anyone think that these people would just vanish?


If the "neighborhood" is too dangerous for them to exist, then perhaps a huge mistake was made many years ago, and some other solution needs to be made.

It seems infintely stupid to continue to prop up a "gated community" in a hateful land, especially while we pretend to be an "honest broker" of peace between "neighbors" who hate each other and would obliterate each other in a heartbeat if they thought they could get away with it..

[Cassandra]

20. Perhaps the huge mistake was as much on the other side...

since having the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem being a Nazi certainly didn't help. Arabs have been killing Jews there much longer than Jews have been killing Arabs. There was some small chance for two states to work at various times but the Arab's all or nothing approach, which has aided the right wing in Israel to have their own all or nothing arguments, have dumped us where we are now. Personally, if Israel wants to take out Iran's nuclear capability, I think they should just do it themselves and not involve us.

I really object to Davis' characterization of any criticism of our approach to helping Israel as bigoted. Foreign policy in the US shouldn't be run by what the right wing in Israel thinks. Or by what the right wing oil men think. They're all clearly incompetent.

[Gabi Hayes]

18. the worst part of his presentation, by far, was his kneejerk accusation

of all callers as anti-semites who questioned the role of Israel in US foreign policy.

too bad vandenHeuvel didn't bring up the Mearshimer/Walt article and force him to say whether he thought that was anti-semitic as well. she could have also asked if she thought that the article's publishing cost one of them their position (Walt?) at Harvard, or Juan Cole lost his tenured position at Yale due to pressure from whatever sources you'd care to call them

at the very LEAST she could have asked Davis what proportion of our foreign aid goes to Israel, a country with a VERY high standard of living, and why he thought that might be.

another thing, vanden Heuvel was ill prepared with basic facts about Lieberman's recent record in the senate, vis a vis his support of the bankruptcy bill and others that are inimical to the interests of working people. I can't remember them offhand, but somebody here listed about six or seven votes he took that were horrible, and clearly against the progressive cause.

as much as I didn't care for Davis' smug tone and his shameful us of the Israel/anti-semite card, he was better prepared for this exchange, and had quite a few damaging revelations about Lamont's previous stances/votes/quotes. and WTF is up with Lamont's donation to Lieberman in 2005?

pretty funny, also, in light of Davis' insistence on Lieberman's popularity in Conn was the fact that EVERY caller that I heard said they were voting for Lamont. hahahahaha

[Cassandra]

21. I think she did bring up that article...

near the end of the discussion.

[Gabi Hayes]

22. thanks.....you're right, and I messed up my post by omitting a key word:

EARLIER. I meant to say in that post that she should have brought up the article earlier, as soon as the first 'anti-semite' called in. I wanted her to challenge him on his kneejerk response, which was a major point of the aricle in question

I saw them on CSPAN a week or two ago, when they explained their article, and how it's just about IMPOSSIBLE to have a meaningful discussion of the role Israel plays in US foreign/defense policy exactly BECAUSE of the strength of groups like AIPAC

we all know here about the provenance of PNAC, just for starters

too bad she didn't bring something like that up

[Mist]

15. Davis was slimy and smarmy and CONSTANTLY interrupted. It

seemed the mod on C-SPAN gave more leeway to Davis with his interruptions than to Katrina trying to finish a sentence. This was a real attempt to push Lieberman, it seems to me, but I didn't hear any callers who said they were voting for Lieberman.

[liberaliraqvet26]

17. everytime someone mentions Israel they are "bigots".....

anyone see where his loyalties are???

[DemonFighterLives]

23. A bunch of the callers called out Lanny Davis

for his bigot remarks and anti-anti-Semitism. The fact that he called one caller a liar for stating he talked to Dodd.
Katrina Rocked and Holy Joe and the hee hah gang may be on their way out.
:dem:

[Cha]

24. Yay!

Thanks for this report.