New species of Puke discovered.

[BuyingThyme]

I was listening to a Thom Hartmann replay last night and he got two or three calls from a newly-discovered species of Puke. These guys are dissatisfied with their party, and searching for a new place to land. They're very open-minded, and are more than willing to give Democrats a look. But, as they explain, both parties are the same. They're both way over the line. They both spend all of their time attacking the other side while ignoring the important issues.

Mind you, these points of view are being expressed on the Thom Hartmann Show. I couldn't figure it out. If they actually listened to Thom, even for a little while, it's impossible to come away thinking that Thom is somehow no better than Rush, Sean, or Bill. Yet, that's exactly the comparison that they were making. But it suddenly occurred to me what was actually going on.

This new brand of Puke -- this latest crop of political stargazers, with a desire to flee the Republican Party, but without a place to go -- are still getting both sides of the political argument from Rush, Sean, and Bill. In other words, they don't only get their Republican talking points from Rush, Sean, and Bill, but they get their Democratic talking points from Rush, Sean, and Bill. They therefore are led to believe that both sides are the same. But they're too stupid to realize what they're doing. They're too stupid to listen to people like Thom, thus incapable of voting in their own interests. How sad.

[annabanana]

1. blindfolded

with their hands free... not knowing they could just reach up and take the blindfold off!
(amazing)

[lpbk2713]

2. Ross Perot are you listening?

I'll bet he is. Or anyone else who wants to run under an Independent banner. I'm not saying anything about the way Perot in particular leans politically but the thing is they need to be checked out very carefully. Might be they are a true blue rethug who wants to use a new opportunity to their advantage. If they were to win an election they could soon show their true allegiance to the rethuglican party.

[drm604]

3. They're probably Republican operatives.

They know that they can no longer blind most people (certainly not Hartmann listeners) to the faults of the Republican party, so their talking point is that the Democrats are no better. If they can't get people to believe in their side then they try to drag their opponents down to their level.

[Warpy]

11. That was my thought, too

and then my second thought was that they're Greens, funded by Repuglicans.

Personally, I think the DNC needs to ignore ALL conservatives, since party conservatives have lost them all 3 branches of government and the other conservatives have screwed up the country.

[Cleita]

4. I have been running into dissatisfied Republicans a lot lately.

They have said they aren't voting for any incumbent Republicans. That part is fine with me, however, I hope they don't join our party because our ideologies are different. I would like to get the corporatist DLC out of our party so I don't like even more of them joining our party just because Bush and the PNAC have ruined their party for them.

[readmoreoften]

14. I agree 100% I don't want them to join our party.

I just want them to stay at home on voting day.

[C_U_L8R]

5. is "species" the right terminology

or would "strain" be more appropriate...
cause present-day pukes are like a bad stomach infection.

That said.. it's always heartening to hear that
some enlightened pukes are realizing that it's no fun being a puke
(and it's certainly not rewarding in any sense of the puke).
There 's a simple solution...They should go Democratic
if they are uncomfortable with questionable policies
of their puke party

(is it too obvious that i like saying puke...heeheehee)

[BuyingThyme]

8. We'll have to wait for the DNA results, and it's all backlogged.

Their noses are very similar, however.

[blogslut]

6. I call them

People that will not vote in the next election.

My particular belief is that folks who voted for pubs last time around will stay away from the polls in droves.

[MikeNearMcChord]

7. But they are people the Democrats can use

if the Democrat party can sell themselves as the alternative instead of acting like silent partners, or a weak opposition. People are PO'd at the GOP, don't assume that they may walk away or there may be a new movement, because things right now are going the wrong way, and many disaffected believe the Dems are no better. Sell yourselves as the real and best alternatives to the disaffected.

[Warpy]

12. "Democrat party?"

fe fi fo fum....

[blogslut]

13. Actually

I'm in agreement with the folks at FireDogLake. The Democratic party needs to start addressing the issues of single women. There are roughly 20 million of them that didn't vote in the last election.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/07/04/in-search-of-single-women/

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

9. Horseshit.

People under bridges call them trolls.

[Jade Fox]

10. They are reluctant to say they were WRONG.....

in supporting the GOP, and got conned by a bunch of crooks and liars. So they employ the "both parties are the same" crap to avoid taking responsibility.

[Hubert Flottz]

15. When the puggies tell me that line I use a Reagan line on them...

Are you and your country better off now, than you were when the last democratic president was in office? Then I remind them of "Everything has Changed Since The EVIL Attack On America" carried out by the SCOTUS on December 12, 2000.

Things like $3.50 a gallon gasoline, the Patriot Act, Government Spying, Katrina, soaring grocery and utility bills, roads and bridges falling apart, schools in disrepair and kids having to fight in Iraq to get a college education, millions of jobs exported, sky rocketing national debt, state and local taxes sky rocketing, pensions plans going broke, Enron, Osama still wild and free, corporate greed unchecked, your bank account spied on, Abu Ghraib, filthy water and air, national parks and forests being ruined and plundered, lies and more lies, fake terra alerts, a government that nobody trusts anymore, a country that nobody can be proud of anymore and a pResident that 90% of the world's population despises and mistrusts, for valid reasons.

Then tell them to have a nice day, if they still can.

[eleny]

16. I believe those callers are planted by the right wing

I've noticed this ploy on the part of right wing callers for a long time now. They call and are quite mild mannered.

So take it with a grain of salt that these callers are truly wavering in their political beliefs. It's often a schtick to get their foot in the door of the program to point out how, in their opinion, Dems are "as corrupt as the Republicans" and other such tripe.

The one talk show host who consistently breaks their shell to reveal who they really are is Bernie Ward on KGO. He asks them pointed questions and in due time he's had a number of them strident and actually screaming at him before they hang up. He then advises his listeners that they don't have to lie about their right wing "regressive" leanings to get on his program.

Bernie's site at KGO http://www.kgoam810.com/complexshowdj.asp?DJID=3284

[EFerrari]

17. Third party people? I'm a Green myself and was never

solicited or anything in this way.

But the whole "both parties are the same" meme sounds like something someone from a third party might say.

Qualifier: I have never met a Green that would stoop to this level. We mostly try to save farms and count votes and stuff. But, there are third parties I know nada about. :shrug:

[Maraya1969]

18. Maybe we should start sending around the master list of limbaugh lies

http://mediamatters.org/items/200502180006

http://members.aol.com/Falconnn/rushlie.html

http://www.rushlimbaughonline.com/refutingrush.htm

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1895

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=1969

Rush Limbaugh Lies Again: Says Fitzgerald Investigation Found 'No Evidence' in Outing of Valerie Plame

While it may not be "breaking news" that Rush Limbaugh is a liar, it's important that somebody hold him accountable for it. Today it's our turn, we guess.

Rush spent virtually the entire first hour of his show today ranting and raving and spitting and spewing that Democrats have "lost touch with all reality."

His claim, it seems, is based on the Democrats' invoking of Rule 21, which shut down the Senate to a closed door session in which the Dems, in a rare moment of having discovered a spine, called upon Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KA) to complete his promised investigation into the Bush Administration use and/or misuse of pre-war intelligence. That would be the investigation that Roberts, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, decided (for some reason) to put off until after last year's Presidential Election, but has — in the full year since — all but succeeded in forgetting about.

Of course, Rush knows full well that it's not the Dems, in this case, who have "lost touch with all reality," but he's counting on his listeners to be so uninformed as to believe anything he says. He has good reason to count on that, since a) he's been misinforming them by creating his own fantastical version of "reality" for years and b) the Corporate Mainstream Media has completely abrogated their responsibility to report on these matters to the American People with anything that even resembles thoroughness or accuracy for the past five years.

So it's very easy, as we wrote about recently at HuffPo for Rush and his ilk to get away with spinning their "Dems-Out-Of-Touch-With-Reality" scam on the American People. And, for that, we can thank the Media for their delinquency, and the Democrats for their years-long failure to stand up to thugs and liars like Rush and Bush and make sure the truth (the real one, not the phony Rush/Bush version) is understood.

Case in point: On Monday morning, at the top of his first show since the indictment against Scooter Libby came down last Friday afternoon, Rush was able to come on the air and out and out lie to his audience about Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's indictment and press conference. Rush quoted Fitzgerald as having said at the press conference: "Despite all of our investigation, we did not find any evidence of the outing of a covert agent."

Since we don't need to lie or mislead, here is the precise audio clip of Rush lying to America, and here's the text of what he said precisely…

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1995/05/fair.html

[EFerrari]

21. We need a "sounds more like them" campaign.

I've been wracking my brain trying to find a way to use their ugly and persistant projection against them.

They ALWAYS accuse us of what THEY are doing. It's so creepy.

But, the Democrats haven't latched on to this. It should be a one-handed speech act. "Sure sounds more like George Bush than John Kerry" -- kind of thing.

We would be "attacking their strength". :evilgrin:

[Maraya1969]

22. I mean have a few examples of Limbaugh lies in your pocket and

tell people about them. O'Reilly lies also. They just have radio shows so I guess they get away with this kind of stuff but we can have examples on hand of their lies for their listeners.

I do not mean lie.

[EFerrari]

23. Of course you don't.

I was just trying to see if their horrible way of accusing the left of what they do might not be skillfully handled somehow.

[sandnsea]

19. Hmmm, let me think a minute

Both sides are the same... where have I heard that before... hmmm.. thinking, thinking..

[robinlynne]

20. I was born and bred a democrat, and I am furious with the dem party (rant)

with several exceptions. The democratic party will not take a strong position on election protection period. Even most of the left of the democratic party. Take CA-50, busby-bilbray for example. The entire left of the california dem party worked for the busby campaign. we phone banked. we worked to get out the vote. we work to protect our elections. The election was legally invalid as it was held. nonetheless, Busby concedes with only 2/3 of the votes counted, 60,000 left to count, and a loss by only 4,000 votes at the time of concession. The republicans install bilbray into congress with a mock swearing in ceremony. Citizens challenge an illegal election, the first federal election of 2006, with many many more to come in november. this is our last chance to make sure we have honest elections in november guys, and we have not had honest elections for 6 years in this country. It turns out busby conceded because she was told to by the dncc. In my book, that is a republican move. Howard Dean is beginning to talk about protecting elections, but his own group, democracy for america, will not back a busby recount because "we don't want to look like sore losers". (that lovely quote from the head of dfa-los angeles).
To me, the democratic party is standing in the way of democracy similarly to the republican party. What the hell are they afraid of, if they are any different from the other party?
(barbara boxer, feingold, conyers, the entire black caucus and a few others who stand up against fraud are exempt from this rant.)