Rolling Stone: Kennedy: company insiders are prepared to testify (2006)

[ProSense]

The 2004 Election

Kennedy report ignites controversy

During a White House press briefing on June 8th, a tough question caught Tony Snow off guard. "Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has written an article in Rolling Stone which revisits the Ohio vote in 2004," a Baltimore radio reporter asked Bush's spokesman. "Does the president believe Kennedy has raised any new evidence of voter fraud?"

Snow tried to deflect the question with a joke, suggesting that the reporter should serve as Bush's "emissary from Rolling Stone." But many citizens, journalists and elected officials are taking our four-month investigation of vote-rigging in Ohio far more seriously <"Was the 2004 Election Stolen?" RS 1002>. The debate began online, where the story set off a firestorm. More than 700,000 people logged on to rollingstone.com to read the story, and thousands of bloggers posted heated entries about Kennedy's report.

The online furor caught the attention of some in the mainstream press, which has long downplayed the evidence of vote tampering. In The New York Times, Bob Herbert devoted an entire column to our investigation, concluding that John Kerry "almost certainly would have won Ohio" if Republicans had not blocked so many of his supporters from casting ballots. And The Seattle Post-Intelligencer blasted the media for its "deafening" silence on Kennedy's report. "In terms of bad news judgment," the paper observed, "this could turn out to be the 2006 equivalent of the infamous Downing Street memo" -- evidence that the Bush administration falsified intelligence on WMDs to justify invading Iraq -- "that was initially greeted by the U.S. media with a collective yawn."

Snip...

Kennedy, meanwhile, is preparing to up the ante on those he believes abetted the GOP's electoral theft. In July, the outspoken attorney plans to file "whistle-blower" lawsuits against two leading manufacturers of electronic voting machines. According to Kennedy, company insiders are prepared to testify that the firms knowingly made false claims when they sold their voting systems to the government -- misrepresenting the accuracy, reliability and security of machines that will be used by 72 million voters this November.

more...

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10733572/the_2004_election?source=music_news_rssfeed

[helderheid]

1. JAW. MEET FLOOR.

Recommended!!!

[roguevalley]

24. Lou Dobbs does a story on this every night. Consider his impact

on raising the issues of declining middle class and immigration ...

[helderheid]

27. it's coming out!

[nolies32fouettes]

52. ***Check this out!!!*****

I'm trying to push it to the pop-sphere!

http://www.progressiveu.org/190000-britney-spears-pose-nude-did-we-vote-for-these-family-values-in-the-2004-presidential-election

[joeunderdog]

96. What if he showed transcripts of the intercepted Diebold emails?

If the people who wrote those emails are the ones who want to turn whistle-blower :applause: !!!!

These are SHOCKING!
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

[skooooo]

2. about damn time

[CatWoman]

3. got to remember to read this when I get home

:kick:

[Ezlivin]

4. So you say you want a revolution?

Time to vote Diebold and the others off the island.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. All right!

[rzemanfl]

6. I fear this young man will fall victim to a bullet in the head like his

Dad and Uncle. It takes real guts to do this.

[annabanana]

39. Is it in the DNA?

Or is he living up to the storied legacy? Either way, I'm glad he's there. It takes a "name" to get attention.

[OzarkDem]

54. Please don't say that

Don't invite anything, don't tempt fate.

[rzemanfl]

106. One can only "tempt fate" if life happens at random, without

plans, plots or planners. In that case RFK and JFK just died of shitty luck. Gore and Kerry had shitty luck. Iraqis have shitty luck, etc. Not saying this would have the same effect as knocking wood, crossing fingers or rubbing a rabbit's foot.

[Divine Discontent]

108. I agree. no luck/tempting of fate - it's what is planned by us or God n/t

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[Name removed]

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[tenshi816]

72. Bill Clinton was President when JFK Jr. died.

Do you think the Clinton administration was complicit in a cover-up or, worse, had something to do with the crash? If so, why?

[DoYouEverWonder]

74. You think BushCo's

dark operators in the CIA stopped working just because a DEM was in office? These guys don't quit just because there's a change of leadership in the WH.

[tenshi816]

75. No, I just wanted some clarification

that there was no suspicion laid at the Big Dog's door regarding JFK Jr.

[DoYouEverWonder]

76. In regards to the Kennedy family

and most of the major assassinations and US conflicts since the early 60's are all directly linked to George Bush Sr and his cabal.

There is no evidence or implication of Clinton ever being connected to any of the BushCo special operations.

[tenshi816]

81. Isn't it funny

(but not in a ha-ha way) how many on the right are so convinced that Bill Clinton is directly or indirectly responsible for a number of deaths, when in actual fact it's their idols, the Bushes, who destroy everything they touch? I'm sick of hearing how the Clintons murdered Vince Foster, for instance, when all the evidence points to the contrary. But then, the people who hate Bill Clinton don't care about evidence or anything else that contradicts their worldview.

[sce56]

87. Read the article

Also see http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/index.htm they have som intertesting documents there including what appears to be Poppi Bush standing in front of the TSBD right after the hit on JFK. Killing the Kennedys is a hobby with the Bush Crime Family!

[sce56]

89. The best evidence of cover up killing the magic bullet theory

The pictures speak for themselves


http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/images/fbi1.BMP

[tenshi816]

104. Thanks for that link! n/t

[pizzed]

110. many many of us who were closely following politics...

back then 'KNEW' that there was a 'CIA inside the CIA' - a secret (even from the regular CIA) core of what has become the 'PNAC' bunch. The 1st Geo Bush was a SECRET member of the CIA for quite some time, BEFORE he became 'officially' a member and then head of CIA... this is documented, (I've lost track of it somewhere, probably you can google it)

Anyway, WE watched closely and we 'KNEW' about JFK's assassination having been done by that pre-pnac bunch... and Johnson was ONE of them, and an important party to their sucess. (To give him more benefit of the doubt than I think he deserves, I guess it's possible that he didn't want to be but that he was just AFRAID NOT to be) but I'm 'sure' he 'expected' it to happen, - he went-along to get-along, like most cowards do)

Oswald was nothing but a little punk-CIA-wannabee. And he fit the profile they needed to become their scapegoat, perfectly. Furthermore, when someone tells you that's not so, ask them "How could an unemployed little punk go traveling around the world so often?" He was almost always a drifter, sometimes washed dishes & didn't even have a welfare check, until he brought a wife from Russia. It costs money to fly to foreign countries and wine & dine & stay in hotels, doesn't it!

They lucked out with Jack Ruby, too, who was easily manipulated through his psychologically fragile mind to 'show his patriotism and Be A Hero'- kill the "assassin" of HIS hero: JFK.... (There WAS a sniper on the Grassy Knoll, and nothing will ever convince me otherwise!)

...and they set to work to bring about what we can now verify: the PNAC Agenda to establish their "one-world' and control the world by a One Super Power Military. For some pre-pnac info you might study about the Bilderbergs. For example: http://www.bilderberg.org/goodlink.htm You might also want to check the Bush Family (skeletons) Background: http://www.padrak.com/alt/BUSHBOOK_INDEX.html

Bobby Kennedy probably was collecting evidence and about to expose them, so they off'd him too. ML King got wacked because he was stirring up too much s**t, and promoting 'freedom' for the poorest classes - those whom they intended to "depopulate". The PNAC's have definately got genocide "DEPOPULATION" in their agenda for the Poor and Helpless of the World, whom they see as the "Useless and Profitless Masses". In every country, even ours.

This is about the truest statement in a nutshell that I've seen lately:

[femrap]

65. And don't forget his cousin....in a small plane.

If he doesn't run for office and stays out of small planes, RFK, Jr. just may be OK.

I'm so grateful that he wrote that article....the timing was right. The public is ready to listen now.

[rucky]

101. It won't undo what he's already uncovered...

just shine more light on it.

But it would be a great loss to see him go this soon.

[AndyA]

7. I keep telling myself to not get my hopes up, this is just another small

step forward...but with each little step I believe we may be getting closer to exposing the core. Once exposed, that will be known as the moment the shit hits the fan.

Thanks for posting!

[suziedemocrat]

45. Me too, I've gotten all excited so many times, only to have nothing change

But - (Dare I say it?) - this time it DOES seem different. I'm too scared to hope.

[blm]

8. I have been wanting to scream about this for a few days.

There may be more coming out, too, very soon.

[me b zola]

37. Big props to you, blm

I know that you wrote to RS asking for a follow up---and sure enough you got one!:thumbsup:


I'm excited to see what may be coming next :)

[blm]

41. It wasn't me talking to RS that did any of this.

Just trust that there really has been people who have believed in the fraud, but needed a whole other way to approach it to get any real action on it. The traditional routes that you and I expected to happen just had alot of obstacles and HUGE pitfalls.

[bleever]

55. Which validates the efforts of everyone who worked and fought on this

even when there was no hope in sight, no avenues that looked promising, no real chance of being heard, and nothing but ridicule as a reward for speaking out.

People worked and fought because it was right, even when it seemed impossible.

:thumbsup:

[blm]

77. Exactly - it's tough to deal with any corruption issue, especially when

most of the media is aligned with the corrupt perpetrators.

Most people don't realize that the corruption cases like BCCI came about because ONE PERSON stepped forward to spill some beans in an effort to commit BLACKMAIL against those involved. He demanded 10million dollars or else he'd share what he knew. The powers PAID HIM to keep his mouth shut. So Kerry's team had to go with the tiniest bit they did learn and work for 5 years to gather what they did from the little bit they were tipped to from the outset.

Imagine the kind of dollars that have been distributed to keep what happened in 2004 quiet. That's why the only approach we may witness at this point is to get as much out as possible and prevent it from happening in 2006 and 2008.

[juajen]

9. Let it be

When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
And in my hour of darkness
She is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be.
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be.

And when the broken hearted people
Living in the world agree,
There will be an answer, let it be.
For though they may be parted there is
Still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be. Yeah
There will be an answer, let it be.

And when the night is cloudy,
There is still a light that shines on me,
Shine on until tomorrow, let it be.
I wake up to the sound of music
Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be.
Let it be, let it be.
There will be an answer, let it be.
Let it be, let it be,
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be

[Reckon]

30. Awesome!

Thanks for sharing!

[Raksha]

71. The perfect words for this moment...thank you! n/t

[corkhead]

10. Is it too much to hope for? Blow the lid of this corrupt junta already!

[Bucky]

60. Before I answer, let me ask this: which major news outlet reported on it?

I don't watch the Big News channels. Hell, I don't even have a TV. But if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that NBC-ABC-CBS-CNN-Fox et al didn't say squat about the Rolling Stone article.

So, is it too much to hope for? Will the lid be blown? Yeah. Right.

[gully]

11. The Kennedy's - continuing to fight for our Democracy generation after

generation.

Thank YOU Mr. Kennedy

[skooooo]

17. god bless them

[davidwparker]

12. K&R

[babylonsister]

13. So will the media whores finally take this seriously? K&R! nt

[halobeam]

16. If they want to increase their ratings.... this would do it...

but they are sooooooo tied at the ankles right now by their "owners".

[durrrty libby]

14. K & R

[skooooo]

19. what's K&R?

[helderheid]

20. kick and recommended :)

[NastyDiaper]

31. Kernagan and Ritchie.

Oops I see I'm wrong. Kick and Recommend.

I'm new, but I finally figured out that floating topics in the DU is like crowd surfing.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

46. Nice. :-) Welcome to DU!

:toast: MKJ

[Lochloosa]

53. ...

:rofl:

[Divine Discontent]

107. I knew that one

but I couldn't figure out eom until I thought about it for 10 sec (I move on usually) but I always wrote N/T (no text in the body of the message, just in the subject), but eom means end of message, so if you knew that one, you had that on me! getting older and sometimes have moments of "what does that mean?" hehe...

bless you



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[WiseButAngrySara]

15. This is WONDERFUL! I hope Lou Dobbs discusses this...so far I

think RFK Jr's article has not been discussed. Can someone e-mail him the article and this followup?

K & R!!!!!

[blm]

18. All of us should do so now.

And thanks for staying on top of this.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. It's About Damn Time This Is Gaining Traction. I Hope He And Others Keep

this up. This needs to keep forcing its way into the mainstream and someday the facts have to be known by the public. There's a whole lot of principles of democracy that depend on it.

[Ksec]

22. Theyll swiftboat the whistleblowers

and then itll be business as usual. Sorry Im so cynical. Its just that Ive seen this so many times its easy to predict the outcome. Hopefully I will be dead wrong .

[calimary]

67. If that happens, it's VITAL that we stand up and ROAR about this.

Write those letters to the editor. Those who can - should go down to the damned papers and hand-deliver them, insisting they be printed. CC the letters to the publisher and political reporter if there is one.

Write those letters and emails to the media - radio AND TV, local AND national. Add phone calls.

HOUND YOUR REPS: Local, state, and national. Those who can - should do this in person. It is more effective, and gets their attention better, if you do it in person, or face-to-face.

Take to the streets. I was listening to Mark Crispin Miller on the Ed Schultz show - on which the surprisingly refreshing and dedicated liberal (I didn't realize this) Jim Lampley was pinch-hitting - and Miller pointed out that his book "Fooled Again" about the theft of the 2004 election was not getting coverage. Miller said that what it may finally come to is people taking to the streets. The "angry mob" effect. He said, as many of us here have already suspected, that it's UP TO US. Lampley also pointed out that another good thing to do is to support Keith Olbermann, who's the ONLY TV anchor on our side.

Message/write/email/phone/send flowers to (anything that might attract positive attention) Lou Dobbs who's started making an issue of this - FINALLY. Positive reinforcement. Be like a good, dedicated and vigilant parent: encourage the good behavior.

Paper letters and cards, snail-mail, is most effective. Paul Begala once said 100 paper letters can change the course of a news program. If it's in black-n-white, IN WRITING, ON PAPER, it can be held in the hand and passed around the newsroom/congressional or other office and shown to friends, posted on the bulletin board in the coffee room where others can see it, xeroxed and spread around all the more, and because it's in writing, it takes on an extra validity of sorts. You're creating a paper trail. REALLY: This stuff spreads. And as we all knew in radio (AND in TV and in print) - ONE sample of viewer/listener/reader input is widely regarded by officials/management/public opinionmeisters as representative of the same opinions of many others - who, themselves, are too busy, lazy, apathetic, distracted to weigh in like this. You in effect are saying what other people are thinking.

[renate]

98. phone calls definitely can have an effect

I was talking to somebody who worked at a local TV station and she said that when they got a new weather reporter whose breasts were smaller than the previous reporter's, people called in to complain. So (I couldn't believe this) they made the new one wear a push-up bra, and the viewers settled back into complacency.

But of course that's not the same thing as deciding to report on a story about stolen elections in the world's most important democracy.

[Justice Is Comin]

23. This is like water in a gas tank

It sputters and chokes and backfires but then you finally get all the water out and :nuke:

This is actually looking good.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

25. My fantasy "source"

has always been some electronic voting machine company programmer who gets a terminal illness (hopefully not painful and with a new miracle drug on the horizon and a prognosis of at leat five years survival) who has a revelation and realizes that he/she is the enabler of an evil regime. This person is also conveniently an orphan who has no relatives whose welfare he/she can be threatened with. The source realizes the mmost important legacy they can leave to the world is a free United States. They spill their guts.

[Bjorn Against]

26. This is going to be interesting

I have a feeling that Kennedy knows a lot more that he is not saying yet, who knows what these whistleblowers have to reveal.

What if we can prove with absoulute certainty that Bush lost the 2004 election? Impeachment time.

[frylock]

28. i sure hope those company insiders don't grow despondent..

someone should put them on suicided watch.

[Arkham House]

29. Shutting this story down will be the first order of business--

...for the "Department of Censorship"...

[kster]

32. There a difference between this and

Downing Street memo

"this could turn out to be the 2006 equivalent of the infamous Downing Street memo"

The Downing street memo, happened and will not happen over and over,

The illegal secret vote counting machines will be counting votes over and over 06,08 etc. Big difference.

Great thread thanks for posting...........K&R

[helderheid]

33. I just sent this link to my local county clerk with the subject line:

"I told you so..." :)

[dorkulon]

34. Illegal operation

Nice graphic from an old article on vote-rigging.

[file83]

92. That's a cool graphic - TRUE too!!

[Kurovski]

35. Kick(nt)

[vanboggie]

36. This is the #1 issue

For the first time I actually have some hope something will come of it. Great idea forwarding to township/city/county clerks and to Lou Dobbs.

Send your thanks and support to RFK Jr!
http://thankyourfk.com

[Divine Discontent]

109. DITTO

I agree, this issue is the #1 threat. How can any of us argue it isn't. The mere fact of a secure voting process supercedes everything else unless they started busting into our homes and shooting us. We have to have the right to free & secure voting. If we don't, they put their hacks in over & over and we continue to bitch to no avail. Things are getting shittier every day for the regular-jane American!

DIEBOLD MUST GO!



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[me b zola]

38. Hoot!!!

Me thinks Gonzo would be proud of his old boss. :)

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. Alrighty then! Go, Robert, Go! Jan Schakowsky FINALLY belives the FRAUD!

She didn't take the vote fraud allegations seriously?? I think the rest of Congress thinks it's all sour grapes on our part too. Assholes. One more example of WHY our employees need to start listening TO US!

<snip>Even Democrats who have been slow to question the election results were convinced by Kennedy's exhaustive report. Rep. Jan Schakowsky, who serves as the party's chief deputy whip, took the extraordinary step of admitting her mistake. "I apologize for not taking seriously enough the allegations that the 2004 election was stolen," she confessed in a speech on June 14th. "After reading Bobby Kennedy's article in Rolling Stone -- 'Was the 2004 Election Stolen?' -- I am convinced that the only answer is yes." Schakowsky promised that the Democrats would move aggressively "to ward off a repeat performance."<snip>

[Reckon]

44. It's about time!

I hope it's not just lip service!

[Peace Patriot]

42. It's wondrously good news that RFK Jr. is going after these companies!

I was concerned at first about the Rolling Stone article, because it emphasized the Ohio vote suppression--and quoted Christopher Dodd early on (one of the villains of the electronic voting scam*)--and it seemed to downplay what I consider the far more insidious corruption of our entire election system with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code in all the shiny new electronic voting systems, owned and controlled largely by two corporations, both with close ties to the Bush regime. This is a long term ENTIRELY HIDDEN vote-stealing capability, tested out nationwide for the first time in 2004. I believe that it was used to lay the groundwork for the theft in Ohio--that is, to lay the foundation of Bush's popular vote, and to tweak other close battleground states (needed for the Electoral Vote)--so that it all came down to Ohio, where the Bushites had an extremely corrupt Republican machine in place. The Ohio theft was highly visible, in many ways. It involved widespread violation of the Voting Rights Act, much of it in broad daylight. But the Republican machine worked hard to suppress the facts, and the national corporate news monopolies went along. (They also abetted the overall electronic vote stealing by doctoring their exit polls to match the results of Diebold's and ES&S's secretly tabulated "official count". They colluded in the stolen election. It's no surprise that they haven't covered it.)

Anyway, what I have gathered from the pre-Dean DNC (and to some extent the current DNC), from the Democratic Party in general, and even from courageous people like John Conyers and Barbara Boxer, and even some election reformers, is that it's okay to talk about the Ohio vote suppression but not about the engineering by Tom Delay, Bob Ney and the Anthrax Congress, of this vast new vote stealing system based on corporate control of the vote tabulation software inside the voting machines and central tabulators. It's been a taboo subject--mind-bogglingly so. And I've struggled with this. It just seems insane to me--that our party leadership would be silent about Bushite corporations gaining SECRET control over vote counting. Is it fear? Is it corruption? Is it collusion (including collusion on the war)? What? It's a complex picture, I think--not easy to sort out. Part of it is that many of the state/county election officials are now corrupt--they have bought into the culture of secrecy that Diebold/ES&S have fostered around elections; they like the heady power of esoteric, secret vote tabulation, and the lavish lobbying (millions spent on it) has done its work. They have been bought--many of them. And many Democratic office-holders are now beholden to these corrupt officials and to Diebold/ES&S and brethren, and are no longer beholden to us, the people, the voters. So even the best of them have to tread carefully.

There is also the problem that many of our elected officials--Dem and Repub--were (s)elected by Diebold and ES&S. Not just Bush. It's a Diebold Congress, too. So we have two branches of the government that are illegitimate, in my opinion. They gained office in highly non-transparent election conditions. And these have been appointing members of the third branch, the Supreme Court and the federal courts. Now, I tend to think that Democrats are more legitimately elected than Bushites--because Democrats tend to represent the interests and views of the majority of Americans. But how do we know? In these conditions of extreme non-transparency, how do we determine who was and who wasn't legitimately elected? It's virtually impossible. You can look to the somewhat better election conditions, say, in California and New York. But we had "trade secret," proprietary programming code--with very inadequate auditing (for this high-speed, secret vote tabulation environment)--even in California. (And there was an anomalous result in California--Kerry won the state by a 10% margin, Boxer by 20%--with all of the difference between them to be found only in the Republican counties. Figure that one out!) New York, as I understand it, has resisted Dieboldization--but I don't know if that's the whole state or just NYC. Anyway, there is an air illegitimacy and of toadyism to Bush around this Congress, and it's a very plain that the makeup of this Diebold Congress is entirely out of whack with the interests and opinions of most Americans. It almost a perfect flipover. If 60% to 70% of the American think one way, only 30% to 40% of Congress represents that interest, and Congress will vote the opposite way.

If the Democratic Party were to cry foul on the election system, what of the Democrats who went along with this system--never said boo about it*--and got (s)elected by it? It's an embarrassment, if nothing else. But their adamant, screaming silence about the matter makes you think of the something else. (Corruption? Fear? What?)

Anyway, so I was worried about RFK--that he was selling this peculiar Democratic Koolaid, that the whole problem was Ohio, and all the crimes that were committed there by the Republican thug machine, to deny blacks, the poor and other Democratic voters the right to vote. That--and voter roll purges--are certainly grave, and particularly ugly, crimes. But I don't think the Bushites stole it in Ohio, exactly. I think they stole it all over the country, and THEN hit Ohio. It was a combination punch. The remedy for Ohio was/is enforcement of the (late lamented?) Voting Rights Act. And that, too, adds more suspicions of widespread electronic fraud. Why would the Republicans feel so immune from the law, as to commit all the egregious shit they pulled in Ohio? It's as if they KNEW there would be no Congressional investigation to call them to task, and no law-abiding President to be troubled by their lawbreaking. They seemed to do it with a sense of perfect impunity. They could stomp all over poor black voters, kick them in the head for voting 80% Democratic, make them stand in 10-hour lines to vote, and all the rest--and who was there to stop them? Who would hold them accountable? They had NO FEAR of a Democratic majority in Congress, and NO FEAR of a Kerry administration (and Kerry Justice Department). And they had reason to fear--barring election fraud. The Dems blew the Repubs away in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40. 20 million new people voted! That ALWAYS favors Democrats. There were many signs--yet they walked all over Democratic voters with jack boots on.

I then heard RFK on the radio, shortly after the Rolling Stone article was published, talking about a lawsuit against Diebold and other electronic voting corporations. It soon became clear that he was part of the lawsuit--he wasn't just reporting on it, or interviewing. And now, with this publication, it's very clear that he has grasped the WHOLE situation, not just the Ohio part.

It still concerns me that the "liberal establishment" is going to settle for optiscan machines with a paper ballot backup--that they may not insist on adequate auditing, and that they will ignore or compromise on the crucial matter of TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code. I think that's the one thing the Republicans will insist on removing from Holt's HR 550 (the ban on secret code)--or the compromise may be a ban on the secret code in the voting machines but NOT in the central tabulators. (The bill has a weakness there already.) But our elections will never ever be safe with ANY trade secret code in the system. And the corruption in the system is so widespread that we really need to take a BIG BROOM to it, and clean it out--throw out these machines, and throw out the people who purchased them. The culture of secrecy, and lavish lobbying, and "revolving door" employment must END. Groups like Common Cause want to "save" electronic voting. I can only suspect corporate influence. Democrats have OTHER ties to electronics in government which may be influencing their view of the matter as well. These are big money contracts.

I worry, worry, worry. It's hard to rejoice these days. There is so much WRONG that is being done. So much corruption. So much collusion. So much bullshit. But...praise where praise is due. RFK Jr. seems to be the ONLY major figure of what could be called the "liberal establishment" who has not only addressed this problem in its entirety but is addressing it in a strong way. And let's hope that Rolling Stone isn't playing corporate games (publishing these things now, in order to suppress the anti-Bush vote in November--via "it's all rigged" non-voting--and the issue will then be forgotten). (Rolling Stone remains independent--it's not owned by Time-Warner or anything--so we can hope that their motives are good, and they won't drop it later.)

RFK Jr. is actually to the Left of the "liberal establishment." He's been doing hard-nosed reporting on corporate wrong-doing on his radio show, Ring of Fire, from the beginning. That makes him a Leftist--that is, someone represents the interests of the vast middle in an activist way. The corporate news monopolies have so screwed with the "political spectrum" that the "red" part (corporations who believe in communism for rich people, and the corporate oil wars) takes up almost the entire spectrum. You have shades of red from radical fascists (blood red) to the mere greedy (pinko). The "blue" part of the spectrum is a tiny sliver way over at the (former) conservative end (believes in the Constitution, the rule of law and good government; wants to save New Deal programs like Social Security; weak, lily-livered liberal). That's how the Corporate Rulers try to portray American political choices and opinions, i.e., most Americans are Corporatists and Bushites.

The REAL spectrum, however--as reflected even in their own corporate opinion polls--is a vast "blue" middle, with the light blue part to the right being the new conservatives, the Democratic voters as described above (believes in the Constitution, etc.), the great blue middle being true conservatives on democratic traditions and the rule of law, and on the environment (CONSERVE it!), but also pro-union/workers, pro-small business, pro-social safety net, pro-community, pro-education, socially liberal/tolerant, somewhat anti-corporate (when they think about it), and antiwar or anti-Iraq war. Some part of this big blue middle still believes in big military spending, either because a lot of the few remaining jobs are military-related, or they think it makes us "safe." The new Left (dark blue) is everything that the vast middle blue is (with the exception of military spending--far Left wants reductions), only it's more activist and more structure-minded--with emphasis on regulating/busting corporate monopolies, restoring transparent elections (and restoring elections to the public venue), pro-UN/international peace and justice, anti-free trade (global free piracy), pro-fair trade, and strong environmentalist (urgent action needed to save the planet). Blue takes up about 60% to 70% of the spectrum. The "red" Bushites/fascists are 20%. Old-fashioned Republicans, 10% (going along with the junta for the ride). About 10% are gray--they swing back and forth. (Note: in the big blue middle, there are some Repubs who voted for Kerry--believe in the Constitution, hate Bush's deficit, don't like his war either).

On this REAL spectrum, RFK Jr. is dark blue--Leftist (majority)/activist.

(Boy, you really have to get detailed to describe anybody's politics these days. "Conservative" has come to mean its opposite, for instance. There is nothing "conservative" about the Bush junta. "Red" used to mean communist (far left). Now it means Big Brother programs for the rich. And I left out one group--Corporate or War Democrats. But that tends to be a small group--just the leadership (about half of it). There are few rank and file Democrats who would be as pro-corporate and/or pro-war as some of our (s)elected leaders. That should worry the leadership, don't you think?)


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*(All but two Dem US Senators voted FOR this Bushite piece of crap corporate voting scam--the so-called "Help America Vote Act." The two exceptions are a surprise--Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer voted against it. Christopher ('Bilderberg') Dodd engineered it in the Senate. His co-conspirators were the biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney. All but 63 House members voted for it. The nay votes were mostly Dems, but included--another surprise--Sensenbrenner.)

[WhoWantsToBeOccupied]

56. ...and now Dodd sees himself as presidential material???

http://blogs.courant.com/news_opinion_hunter/2006/05/dodd_for_presid.html

[flyingobject]

63. Dodd seeded the clouds of destruction of democracy

You have to wonder, he worked hard to prevent paper ballots.
He helped author HAVA.

HE is a POS who will never get my vote honestly.

[texpatriot2004]

43. A million thanks to any and all who are dedicated to transparent

elections and a transparent government, or in other words, a democracy.

[helderheid]

47. let me second that!

[dogday]

88. Let me third it

My sincere thanks to all who work so hard to get to the truth.... Thank you so much

[Avalux]

48. I'm late getting to this thread - WOO HOO!!!!!

I am almost speechless. Thank you Robert F. Kennedy Jr. :patriot:

[malaise]

49. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

Kennedy better watch his back.

[Gloria]

50. He explained how he was doing this a few weeks ago on

Ring of Fire...

The law says that if a person has discussed anything related to the charges in public, they cannot be called whistleblowers and a suit cannot go forward.

However, if they have not spoken publicly, then a suit can be brought.

It blows me away that that RFK Jr. kept at this and turned up people able...and willing...to enable this suit to go forward....

[Straight Shooter]

51. The bush smear machine can't swiftboat all of them ...

For Robert Kennedy, it's not just political, it's personal. I'm sure there are a lot of old Kennedy scores to settle.

I do hope those people honor their word and come forth to testify. It's time to drive a stake through the heart of the vampire.

[Laurab]

57. It's about time

Kennedy has courage for taking this on, and obviously, the Kennedy name still has an impact. People who normally wouldn't pay attention might, because it's a Kennedy. If he's got company insiders, and this moves ahead, there may be hope for our country yet.

K & R

[jillan]

58. The truth always come out....sooner or later.

All anyone has to do is look at * approval ratings to know that it's true.

[Bucky]

59. Correction:the truth that we know of has come out, often after a long time

We don't know about the truths that haven't come out.

[TwentyFive]

69. Chimpy should be glad to let Kerry take over. He's in WAAY over his head!

Bush wants to go back to Texas and chop wood. His mamma knew he never did cotton to that fancy book learnin' stuff.

[blues90]

62. One thing troubles me

"company insiders are prepared to testify that the firms knowingly made false claims when they sold their voting systems to the government -- misrepresenting the accuracy, reliability and security of machines that will be used by 72 million voters this November."

I didn't read the entire story and I do intend to but if I understand this part of it correctly then this means there is a way to attack the vendors who lied about the security of the machines and this is fine if this is what the intent here is but it lets the administration off the hook since they can say they did not know because the were mislead . It still however does not dismiss the administration from tampering or discarded votes and making voting impossible .

[Name removed]

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[understandinglife]

66. "Not One Line Of Software Between A Voter And A Valid Election."

Period.

Recommended.


Peace.

[NobleCynic]

68. Over the past few years Rolling Stone has grown some real stones

Anyone else notice this? It seems to have become a decent magazine all of a sudden.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

73. They've had a history of hard hitting journalism in the past...It looks

like they're doing it again! MKJ

[WHAT]

70. GOBSMACKED...

like almost everyone, I want a world without anyone's thumb on the scale. This ain't it.; what with suspicious "weighing" and all.

I'm sure there are geniuses, out there, whose assumed moral superiority might qualify for some pecking-order position to pre-empt the desires of the majority...but, I don't trust 'em. Do you?

I have more trust in consensus than a minor flock pretending to be a major poet...or some hundred year plan that can justify its image by the wealth of a projected 'good' that is suspect on an inability to garner consensus, ironically.

I just hope the hot-rods on their way to the future run-out of gas or are pulled-over with road-kill on their tires, money in the trunk, and a falsified house/home-room pass.

everything can't be socially engineered by hind-sight no matter how an inverted reality might mirror itself into the future...ad nauseum...

[NastyDiaper]

78. That's 866-389-FIRE

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Mike Papantonio, two of the nation's most dynamic legal warriors, bring their battle for justice to the airwaves each weekend on Air America Radio. Ring of Fire, June 10, 2006 (17m30s) http://www.airamericaradio.com/download .


PAP: "Bobby, what's happened since your Rolling Stone Article is you now have people that have been working with these companies they, I mean way way up in the management structure of the companies, that are coming forth, they're calling us, they're saying, I was afraid to say anything. I was afraid to do anything. Now they feel they can come forward. And I gotta promise you, if you do come forward.."

RFK: "You call Mike or me, and we're gonna sue these companies, and we are gonna stop them from stealing our elections..."

PAP: "I, I can Prom.."

RFK: "If you work for either one of these companies, you give us a call and we'll protect your confidentiality. And we are gonna sue these companies. And we're gonna put them out of business. And we're gonna stop them from stealing our democracy."

PAP: "It's the only way that we're gonna accomplish anything. So, Look. This thing has just started. For all those Talking Heads who say why did we wait so long, they-ain't seen nothing, yet."

[PATRICK]

79. Long long long time coming

There have been whistleblowers back several years ago with only powerless BBV activists to go to. Risking their jobs or maybe more to get muted squeaks into the stonewalled media. No, DA's, no Dems, no obvious steps taken at all. So most remained hidden.

Now we get another well known outsider(no elected, not in any DA department) to try to do the job that has been laying out there in the gutter that has become American justice. There are other suits going on already probably using the same people RFK, Jr. has so dramatically suggested- but the public would never know it.

This is what should have been done at least since 2000 and a professional Dem should have spotted and gone after ruthlessly when optical scans and tabulators first came in years earlier. Now it is a new "surprise" the MSM does not want to hear, like the DSM.

[tom_paine]

80. Hope. It is as sweet as water in a sand-baked desert.

It is what keeps us all going. Sometimes, it can be cruel, but not today.

Even Chimperor Tiberius' own lapdog "Supreme Court" (if you can call it that, and maybe never moreso in the last six years than today has it deserved to be called supereme or a court, though one incident does not a transformation to liberty make) swatted him in the nose with a rolled up newspaper over the Gitmo Tribunals.

Whether or not he gets away with it and does what he usually does (deceive, ignore, refuse to acknowledge, do the same thing using a sighlty different method, deceive about what just happened, ignore what just happened, refuse to acknowledge the change, pick new crime & repeat) the fact is IT HAPPENED.

Now Kennedy's article in Rolling Stone even has brought the issue of corrupt voting to begin being discussed in wider circles and even a little bit in MSM.

If we can clean up the voting, we might be able to fix everything else!

All across America, resistance to Empire and Kleptocracy has never been higher. Does this mean the Chimperor and his minions can be slowed down or (dare I say it) even stopped while Old America is restored to health and vigor?

Maybe.

And that's the best you can hope for in an uncertain world.

[Botany]

82. Please bring this to light.

Every since the coup of 2000 our nation has been falling
so we need to hit bottom to get back up again.

And so everybody must see the real and true story of 04.

[AuntiBush]

83. Kicked!

:kick:

[goclark]

84. Kick to the sky everyone!

[drm604]

85. If this can just break through to mass public awareness

then the ratings will go to the media that talk about it. They won't be able to ignore it because they'll lose audience to those who don't. At least that's what I'm hoping!

[file83]

86. *PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.....

Someone blow down this house of cards!

[mbee]

90. Why is this just being addressed now when the criminals have

almost finished the 8 year term? Inquiring minds want to know!

[Independent_Liberal]

95. Because it's an election year! Duh!

And besides, the term is far from over. There's still time. Nixon didn't complete his second term. I'll make sure Bush doesn't complete his either.

:)

[Terran1212]

91. Cynthia McKinney, John Lewis, Atlanta Indymedia took Choicepoint to task

They have the only filmed confession of those company officials of the malevolence of what tehy committed in 2000.

[happydreams]

93. K&R!

Hope this gets legs.

[Independent_Liberal]

94. I feel like doing a dance!

Woohoo!

:woohoo:

[loudsue]

97. Holy Mary Mother of God!! This is GREAT news!!!

This has to be THE ONE ISSUE in this country right now....understanding by all citizens what the REPUBLICAN party is capable of: the deceit, the criminality, the disgust for Democracy, the injustice of all that they do..ever.

The republican party is a pack of thieves, nothing else. They have wormed their way into everything that this country holds dear, and have shit all over it: the constitution, the Bill of Rights, even standards of common decency.

I want to make sure that NO REPUBLICAN control EVER EVER EVER again happens in this country.

:grouphug: It's good to be on DU today! :hi:


:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

[Wonderpup]

99. Go Bobby, Jr. !!!

Bite their lying asses off! Woof!!

[McCamy Taylor]

100. Oh boy! And now that Lou Dobbs has trashed the industry, I would

like to see them try to get a government bail out.

Electronic voting in this country is going to go the way of the Edsel. I wonder which will happen first, the end of E-voting or the federal incarceration of Rep. Bob Ney the criminal who have us HAVA--Hack America's Vote Act.

:bounce: :party: :toast:

[Warren DeMontague]

102. Maybe if he gets the whistleblowers to testify in Aruba, the media will

pay attention.

[upi402]

103. Breaking: HOT white chick missing from Ohio voting booth.

:popcorn:

[mucifer]

105. to hear RFK Jr's radio show by podcast:

http://www.ringoffireradio.com/podcast_faq.asp

it's a great show and you can listen online live at www.airamericaradio.com sats 5-7pm est
they have lots of great info

sorry if someone posted this already. But, it is worth repeating if someone did.

[faithnotgreed]

111. keeping this KICKED