"YOU ARE CHEERING FOR THE RIGHTS OF BIN LADEN\’S DRIVER!!!" (sic)

[BurtWorm]

Says a right-wing nut on Think Progress in response to a post praising Lt. Swift's win for the rule of law in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/30/hero-of-guantanamo/


Do you realize how this ruling ignites the right-wing base? In a DC instant, we are throwin aside differences and understanding the dangers our country would face under librofascist leadership. We will destroy you at the polls over your support for Bin Laden\’s cronies.

At least the only cronies I ever schilled for are not responsible for the murder of 3,000 American lives.

Comment by Terror Sympathizing Left — June 30, 2006 @ 2:59 pm

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Kevin Drum, meanwhile, on Political Animal entertains the idea that nuts like this guy may be on to something.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_06/009108.php

HOW HAMDAN WILL PLAY OUT....I don't agree with Marshall Wittman much these days, but I think he may be right about this:

Analysis that suggests is a political setback for the GOP has it exactly wrong. Republicans would like nothing better than a pre-election debate over whether Osama's buddies should receive ACLU approved rights. It is likely that many Democrats will join Republicans in supporting tough guidelines for military commissions.

Probably so. And Democrats would be right to support tough guidelines, which could probably sail through Congress with bipartisan support to spare if that's what the Republican leadership wants.

They don't, of course. They want a campaign issue, not a solution, and most likely won't rest until they manage to find legislative wording so punitive and extreme that even Hillary Clinton can't support it. It may not be good for the country, but it makes for good C-SPAN.

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Setting aside that Hamdan is a victory for real American values, do you think Rove can make ground with the yahoos with this line of attack? Ground enough to grind the Democratic resurgence to a halt?

[Zensea]

1. I don't care if it helps the republicans politically

The decision of the Supreme Court is the correct decision morally, consequences in the short term be damned as far as I'm concerned.

So I guess I don't accept the premise of setting aside Hamdan as a victory for real American values.

[BurtWorm]

2. I think if it does help them, though, the future of this country

will be very grim indeed. We will see a Congress take further steps to slit its own throat, and the heroes of the present Court will be replaced with more Scalia clones.

Very grim indeed.

[Zensea]

9. I do agree with that also

It's one of those cases of damned if you do, damned if you don't --- or I should say it is potentially that sort of thing.
Hopefully it won't be though.
I'm inclined to think that some of this bravado from the Republican side right now is just that -- bravado.
Hard to say though.

[BurtWorm]

19. Very hard to say, given how far they've pushed the enevelope

Glenn Greenwald has an optimistic take on this decision, arguing that we ought to be cheering when one branch of the government pushes back against the Bushist power grab because it's a sign that there's life in the old corpse yet. But he does acknowledge that Bush's reaction to the decision was not, "We'll abide by the court's decision" (as Gore did in 2000), but "We'll take it into consideration." In other words, "I'm the decider and I'll decide if I'm going to pay any attention to you." Not a good sign.

[jsamuel]

3. self fulfilling prophecies

[Swamp Rat]

4. Responses to such inane statements:

"Why do you hate the Rule of Law?"

"Why do you want the USA to be just like a Muslim theocracy?"

"Why do you support Bin Laden and want him to win the War on Terra?"

"Why do you hate America?"

*or*

Suggest a frontal lobotomy.

Offer a ride to a military recruiter.

[gkhouston]

5. if it's such a horrible thing to protect the rights of a prisoner

whose trial now goes back to square one because of this decision and who was merely the driver of OBL, doesn't that bring up the question of why the frell is OBL still flouncing around the Middle East after all these years and the best we've done is kill a one-legged (no two-legged -- well, he's dead now, does it matter) man?

[bluedog]

6. Johm King(cnn) saying the same thing.........

hes taking Wolfies place today and told Bill Press and that Terry (high squeaky voice) the same talking mantra.

[BurtWorm]

7. Terry the castrato from Human Events?

:insert shuddering smiley:

[nosmokes]

8. either the constitution and the rights conferred by that document are

what we stand for as a nation, as a movement, as an ideal orelse what's the point? what beef do we have with shrub if it isn't that he hasn't overstepped the constitutional powers of his office?

[Catherine Vincent]

10. The Bush's had business dealings with Bin Laden....and?

Says this left winger.

[CJCRANE]

11. If the guy's done wrong, then what's the problem -

he'll be found guilty in a court of law and locked away. Pretty simple.

If guilt is simply by association then what would prevent (a future) President Hillary from locking * up for having business dealings with the bin Ladens and other figures connected to 9/11?

[magellan]

12. They're very generous with the rights of others

...giving them away as they like to do. But you can bet they'd be singing a different tune if the shoe were on the other foot. Say the Marines involved in the Haditha massacre were being held incommunicado by the Iraqi gov't -- without charge or access to a lawyer, and questioned daily using our current "interrogation" tactics, for years on end. RW'ers would be seething over rights being trampled. And they'd be right.

Again it's American exceptionalism and revenge that drives these idiots, not any true sense of justice.

[leesa]

13. Too funny! Wonder what's in store for OBL's hair stylist? God, Americans

are gullible fools. The FBI has no proof OBL was involved in 9-11...they admit it. It's why 9-11 is not listed as one of OBL's crimes on their most wanted list. I'm sure there's MUCH less proof his driver was involved! IDIOTS.

[Disturbed]

15. Most RWingers do not believe in The Constitution or

The Bill of Rights. Most of the RWingers believe in Fascism. The RW wants a RW Dictatorship.

[derby378]

14. Ooooooooh! SCARY chauffeur!

Be afraid of "Drving Mister Osama," everyone!

[ima_sinnic]

16. what about bin Laden family flown out @ pers. request of * on 9/12?

dum@$$es, did we hear you criticizing "the president" for "cheering for the rights" of OBL's entire family while American citizens and visiting foreigners alike were grounded?

[Biernuts]

26. Recalling the 9-11 Commission testimony, it was Richard

Clarke who cleared their flight. You need to ask him,not Bush, what he was thinking at the time. But as a geneal rule, I don't believe we hold relatives hostage - especially ones who have disowned the criminal.

[ima_sinnic]

28. "hold hostage"? "disowned"?

why not just treat everybody equally under the law?
bin Laden's relatives want to get out of the country asap, they can just wait like everybody else until flights are resumed. why the kid glove treatment?
and relatives "who have disowned the criminal"? sez who? so if my brother murders someone and the police come to talk to me, all I have to say is I've "disowned" him and that means I shouldn't be asked any questions? not only not asked any questions, but escorted somewhere where I won't be bothered by pesky investigators or reporters -- riiiight.

[Warren DeMontague]

33. Mmm Hmmm.

So- according to Bush, we can hold just about anyone on the planet, for any reason -or no reason- and not have to prove at all that they're even incidentally related to a "terror" investigation..

But God Forbid we should inconvenience these nice Bin Ladens!

[Warren DeMontague]

32. Yeah, that's the funny thing about the NSA tapping "Al Qaeda's" phones

you know, if Bush wants to know who is in Osama's "Friends and Family Circle", he should just ask Poppy for the Carlyle Group phone list.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. I've never met Osama bin Laden's driver.

If I ever did, I'd ask him kindly not to drive Mr. bin Laden around any more.

[Robb]

20. That seems more than reasonable to me.

:D

[Ksec]

18. and you are fighting to give the terrorists what they want

A country run by religious fanatics

[KittyWampus]

21. Kevin Drum has it about right.

sigh

[blonndee]

22. "At least the only cronies I ever schilled for are not responsible

for the murder of 3,000 American lives."

Gettin pretty damned close, though, aren't they?

[hootinholler]

23. So?

I'll cheer for the rights of Beazlebub or even Bush and Cheney if it means mine are preserved!

Seems these people missed that civics lesson.

-Hoot

[tjwash]

24. Yes. As I would cheer for YOUR rights had YOU been illegally imprisoned.

That's what I would have said to him anyway.

[Biernuts]

25. I don't have to agree with the decision to praise LCDR Swift

As an officer of the court, he did his job - as distasteful as it was. And I commend him also for upholding the standards of the military officer corps. While the military includes those who have failed to do their duty and even commit criminal acts, the overwhelming majority follow LCDR Swift's example.

[hiphopnation]

27. i don't put nuttin' past rove

after all he was able to spin the theft of two elections, the legality of u.s. corporations polluting the water and air, the lanuching of an illegal war, flying in the face of the good sense and judgement of almost every nation in the world - how's five clowns in robes gonna stop them now?

besides, i don't think ur average 'murican even understands the outcome of this ruling, much less how it could be construed as a "victory for real American values"...my outlook on the country ain't too good these days. maybe i'm not the best person to ask...

[Mz Pip]

29. Uh, no

Am cheering for the rule of law.

I don't give a rat's ass about bin Laden's driver. If found guilty of a crime he can rot in jail for all I care.

That's how it should be framed.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[CJCRANE]

30. How do we even know it's bin Laden's driver

if there's no due process, no evidence, no trial etc.?

Bin Laden is a very rich man, if guilt is simply on hearsay then Gitmo should be full of his servants and acquaintances- his personal stylist, his housekeeper, his chef, his jeweler, the guy who polished his shoes in the street once, other rich buddies who did business deals with his family...

[Warren DeMontague]

31. What's next? Rights for Mullah Omar's pizza delivery guy?

Damn Libro-fascists! Making these terrorist killers take the bus... and denying them tasty pizza in 30 minutes or less (or it's free!) is CRUCIAL to our strategery in the Global War on Terror!