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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:06 PM
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Don't fall for revisionism - I think Rove is trying to revise 2004
so it doesn't appear that they HAD to steal it. No - Kerry was awful and visibly deferred to Bush during the debates - believe it or not, that is being said by some.

Sure - that explains the sudden vote swing towards Bush AFTER the votes were being counted.

Anyway - keep the facts out there - this is WHY BushInc had to rely on suppressing the votes, purging voter rolls and rigging machines all over the country:


WASHINGTON, Oct. 14 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the Kerry-Edwards Campaign:

Kerry 4-0 In Snap Polls

CBS: KERRY WINS UNDECIDEDS 39-25

-- In a poll of undecided voters, Kerry won 39 percent - 25

Before the debate, 29 percent said he had clear positions on the issues, after, that number doubled to 60 percent.

ABC: KERRY WINS REPUBLICAN HEAVY POLL

-- Kerry won 42 percent-41 percent, in a poll with 8 percent more Republicans than Democrats (38-40), Kerry was still seen as the winner: 42-41. Independent voters gave the win to Kerry: 42-35 (abcnews.com)

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP: KERRY WINS

-- Who did a better job: Kerry 52 - Bush 39. Among independents, Kerry won even bigger: 54-34.

DEMOCRACY CORPS: KERRY WINS 41-36

-- Kerry won 41-36 among debate watchers.

Among independents, Kerry won by 6 point, and by nine in battleground states.

Undecideds broke for Kerry, saying he won by eight points. (democracycorps.com)

-- And Don't Forget The First Two Debates --

Debate Number 2: Kerry 3-0

ABC: Debate watchers say Kerry won" Kerry 44, Bush 41

CNN/USA TODAY/GALLUP: Debate watchers say Kerry wins 47 - 45

DEMOCRACY CORPS: Kerry wins 45-37, and by even more among independents, undecideds and battleground state voters.

Debate Number 1: Kerry 5-0

ABC: Kerry won 45-36, "It was a clean win for Kerry: Independents by a 20-point margin said he prevailed." (abcnews.com)

CBS: In their poll of uncommitted voters, Kerry won 44-26.

CNN/USA TODAY GALLUP: Kerry won 53-37, and 60-29 among independents.

DEMOCRACY CORPS: Kerry won 45-32.

AMERICAN RESEARCH GROUP: Kerry won 51-41.

-- FINAL WORD: KERRY WINS -- Kerry In Control And Winner --

Bob Novak: "Kerry seems to be overpowering Bush." (cnn.com, 10/13/04)

Pat Buchanan: "Kerry was, I thought, very much at the top of his game and I thought toward the end, when you saw Kerry, you saw more of the humanity of the man in some of those questions, which was very helpful to them; talking about the daughters and things. I thought he had some excellent moments." (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

Jon Meacham, Newsweek: "John Kerry took the populist war straight to the President." (MSNBC, 10/13/04)

Bill Schneider: "Well this was a decisive win for John Kerry. It was just about as decisive as his win in the first debate, which everyone agreed was a blowout. His, the first debate he won by 16 points; this debate, Kerry won by 13 points. According to the views of the viewers polled immediately after the debate so they had no chance really to be influenced by the spin." (CNN, 10/13/04)

Washington Post: "An essentially dignified and thoughtful performance by John Kerry, contrasted with an oddly giggly turn by George W. Bush, combined to give the last debate of the presidential campaign to the challenger last night, but very narrowly." (Washington Post, 10/14/04)

-- Kerry's Momentum Grew And Keeps Growing --

Carlos Watson: "As we went along, as we talked about social security, as we talked about immigration, as we talked even about the Supreme Court, I thought John Kerry ultimately found his voice. And when all is said and done I think Kerry will be proclaimed the winner, which I think will be significant because I think he will be viewed as having won all three debates." (CNN, 10/13/04)

Anthony Mason: "Dan, the uncommitted voters in our survey have given the edge in this debate, to this final debate, to John Kerry." (CBS, 10/13/04)

-- Kerry Appealed to Voters --

David Gergen: "What I thought John Kerry did very effectively tonight was reach out to women voters and they've become critical to his election Charlie, its the biggest change that's taken place since these debates started." (PBS, 10/13/04)

-- Kerry More Presidential And Stronger Than Bush --

Bill Schneider: "Well I think he did appear more presidential than the president, which is exactly why he won the first debate and why he won this debate." (CNN, 10/13/04)

Richard Wolfe: "John Kerry has looked more presidential and more personable as these debates have gone on." (CNN, 10/13/04)

Melinda Henneberger, Newsweek: "Overall in the three debates, you really have to say that Kerry came across as more commanding and that the president... did not always even seem in command of himself." (MSNBC, 10/14/04)

-- Kerry Clear On Issues --

Mark Shields: "I think Kerry is far more factual." (PBS, 10/13/04)

USA Today: "By double-digit margins, those surveyed gave Kerry higher marks than Bush for expressing himself clearly, understanding issues and caring about the needs of people like them. Kerry was more believable, they said." (USA Today, 10/14/04)

New York Times: "Kerry's answer on health-care costs may be his best yet. He lays out the case against the administration logically and clearly." (Kit Seeyle, New York Times online, 10/13/04)

New York Times: "The president refused to accept any responsibility for the lapse of the ban on assault weapons and completely dodged the question of whether he wanted to see the Supreme Court reverse Roe vs. Wade, while Mr. Kerry gave strong responses to both questions. "I believe that the right of choice is a constitutional right," he said. "So I don't intend to see it undone."" (Ed. New York Times, 10/14/04)

-- Bush Mission To Win Debate: NOT ACCOMPLISHED --

Tom Fielder: "I think tonight was tough territory for President Bush to even be playing in. And the odds were tough for him. Frankly I don't, again speculation, but I don't think that he was able to do anything that either hurt John Kerry badly enough to change the dynamic or that helped him enough to push John Kerry off of the game right now." (CNN, 10/14/04)

Associated Press: "I've become more and more disturbed about Bush," said John Barker, 73, of Tampa, Fla., who voted for Bush in 2000, sweated over this year's election for months and finally decided Wednesday night to back Kerry. "I just don't think with everything we're facing, we can have another four years. I'm talking about the economy. I'm talking about Iraq. Bush just didn't give me a good reason for the way things are," the former policeman said. (AP, 10/14/04)

New York Times: "If Mr. Bush loses the election, he will have to blame, at least in part, his own debate performance." (New York Times, 10/13/04)

-- Bush's Expressions Showed His Weakness --

Melinda Henneberger, Newsweek: "I think that tonight, Bush did himself some real harm...he just seems so perpetually surprised... it really undercut his credibility I thought." (MSNBC, 10/14/04)

USA Today: "Bush used language unusually slashing for an incumbent president - especially one whose 47 percent approval rating makes it perilous for him to do anything that might make him seem less appealing and, well, presidential." (USA Today, 10/14/04)

Washington Post: "(Bush was) maintaining a Cheshire cat grin that seemed to imply he did not take Kerry seriously as a challenger and wanted the national viewing audience to know that." (Washington Post, 10/14/04)

http://www.usnewswire.com/

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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:09 PM
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1. Classic repukian/rovian tactics - lie. Just lie. People will not know
the difference.

Make shit up as you go along, collect your pay check at the end of the week, and don't worry about the rest of the country - they are expendable and only a means to an end.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:18 PM
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3. I think they are concerned about the machine fraud getting attention and
they are trying to get ahead of it with blather about Kerry deferring to Bush's superior manhood in the debates -- HAHAHAH - laughable, but, it will still get play.

And I think it is more about covering machine fraud than just attacking Kerry this time.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:17 PM
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2. their point is, polls aren't accurate
none of them. how can they be? They differ so much fromt he actual vote!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:39 PM
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4. They are thinking ahead - laying groundwork.......
probably for the next theft.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 07:58 AM
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5. Kickin against Rove's Revisionism
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 08:02 AM by blm
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:04 AM
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6. 'Kerry was awful and visibly deferred to Bush'???
What the...? Not quite the way I remember it:

debate 1
transcript http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004a.html



debate 2
transcript http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004c.html



debate 3
transcript http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004d.html



Good post blm, thank you. bookmarked, K&R.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:54 AM
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11. LOL! n/t
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:05 AM
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7. Sigh. Kicking because a) I still want to make out with Kerry, and b)
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 09:17 AM by BlueIris
I can't believe BushCo.'s new "strategy" (which, well, I'm tired of Rove being called a genius--LYING IS NOT A STRATEGY) involves trying to convince people that Kerry somehow sucked. Especially at the end of the campaign, when anyone with at least one part of a functioning ear could see that he was proving he was what he said he was: a great closer.

MORANS! And Karl looked like a dipshit in the "Elvis" glasses.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:09 AM
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8. I think they're doing it because MACHINE FRAUD is getting play. So now
they need to create a different ATMOSPHERE for October 2004 to explain how Bush got so many votes even while his 2000 voters were switching to Kerry.

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:23 AM
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9. Yeah. And ACK.
Once again, as this thread demonstrates, NONE OF THIS WOULD WORK IF WE HAD A FREE MEDIA.
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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:47 AM
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10. K&R -- This is very useful information to get out there!
Hope more people rec this -- and thank you for the excellent research, blm!!! I think you've figured out EXACTLY what they're up to and we have to fight it with the truth!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:24 AM
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12. It's not my research - this was posted by Skinner after the debates
from a press release compiled by Kerry-Edwards.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:13 PM
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13. kick
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 01:28 PM
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14. Expect ANYTHING because that is what they will resort to.
Especially when it becomes obvious the same old propaganda isn't working.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 01:58 PM
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15. wholesale trashing of exit polls on deck
. . . just watch.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 02:14 PM
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16. You're right - I almost forgot that they NEED to trash exit polls, too, as
part of overhauling the entire image of that timeframe.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 03:46 PM
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19. we need our own scientific, unbiased exit polls, which won't be "adjusted"
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 03:48 PM by glitch
to the vote count. Open sourced methodology and freely available data.
Mitovsky et al we do NOT want or need.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 06:05 PM
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21. GOP media controlled exit polls is what we will get in 2006 and 2008 if
we don't get this issue dealt with beforehand.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 06:28 PM
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22. You know it. nt
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 02:41 PM
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17. Brings back memories! Excellent thread and thanks. KNR! ..n/t
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 03:34 PM
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18. Kerry crushed Bush, and Bush imploded
The debates were a work of art. They'll practically provide evidence in themselves to future generations of the fact that Kerry was the rightful victor in 2004.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 05:12 PM
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20. That's why I think this REVISIONISM is key to distracting from the fraud.
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