Marine Documentary in the Making Makes 'Hadji Girl' Look Like Daycamp

[Khaotic]

A Myspace Film site created by a group of Marines is looking for financing to support the making of a pro-war documentary titled "Young Americans."

The documentary's trailer is laced with punk music screaming out hate lyrics and condemning the current anti-war movement, and images of numerous well-known Democrats.

The imagery in the trailer is graphic and touts the bloody killing that has gone on throughout the war. While this is a fact of war, it's quite another to wallow in the blood, soaking it up as if it were the best times of your life.

The site has only gleened 43 "friends" as of 6/29/06 at 1728 EST.

The Myspace Film profile can be accessed at:

http://home.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=86597076

or

http://www.myspace.com/youngamericansmedia

While it is almost certain these Marines are patriots, their tact and unprofessionalism will certainly reflect negatively on the Marine Corps and are not in keeping with the high standards of most Marines. It may, however, be a direct reflection of some of the current leadership that exits in the Department of Defense.

This should be proliferated before the site is taken down so more people have first hand knowledge of the what war does to our troops. A person would have to be a few sandwitches short of a picnic to spend all of his money to make a documentary this out of touch.

Here is the Marine's plea for helping in funding his bloodfest of a documentary, and the rest of his rant provided on the site:

"To Contribute to Young Americans Media Help "Young Americans" see the Light of Day. Help us battle the incessant anti-war, anti-administration media message, with the balance America needs from "Young Americans". Help get out the message to support the war in Iraq and the troops there. Help the Marines who served have their story told. And help the families of the Marines I served with who were killed. I gave it all up, my life and my income, to serve my country in the War in Terror, with the one weapon a 42 year old civilian like me could use: a camera. I'm bleeding my life savings dry, and we all need your help with finishing funds for the project. I may soon have to go back to Ramadi to cover a potential large operation in the city ala Fallujah. It's a risk, as usual, that I'm willing to take. Any donation you can make towards "Young Americans" will be greatly appreciated, and more importantly, will have a huge impact on America by helping to balance out the non-stop BS liberal message we are all drowning in. All contributors, if requested, will be named in the end title sequence with a shared Associate Producer credit. Please rally around the project, the Marines, and America. A large percentage of the profits from this project will be donated to education and other funds for the families of those Marines I was with who made the ultimate sacrifice. The rest will simply go to funding ongoing operations. See you in Iran!"

I'm sure the Freepers would eat this crap up and post it as a proud example of what our country stands for. They are truely out of touch ... i.e. the cheese fell off their crackers a long time ago.

If anyone knows how to proliferate this story make it happen.

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. "While it is almost certain these Marines are patriots,"

It is also almost certain these Marines are animals. No better than the dreck they are fighting.

[marmar]

3. Agree 100 %

People are always very quick to scream "We support the troops," and most of the time I agree. But let's face it, as evidenced by Fahrenheit 9/11, not all of them are worth supporting.

[Khaotic]

7. Team Player

I'm one of the first to point out people who show their patriotism by wear the flag over their eyes instead of waving it over their heads.

But in this case condemning the troops isn't completely justified.

Call them messed up, mislead, brain washed, etc. etc. But saying that some aren't worth supporting?

How do you just support the "good ones?" Do you take a poll?

Do the "bad ones" where a scarlet "FTW" on their uniforms?

How liberal is it to judge and come to those conclusions that those "bad troops" are a lost cause?

There's a chain of command, they follow the chain of command. They are lead, they are taught, they are allowed to do what they do. The military covers up because the leaders are covering up.

The troops are pawns ... just like fucking chess pieces in a chess game. It's like one big fucking game of RISK.

The leaders have a choice to instill high values in their troops. Some choose not to, those people should be held accountable.

When something like this is posted it should be dealt w/ in a severe way. The shit should hit the fan. The fact is that I should have NEVER run across it.

The fact that it's there and that these Marines are talking this way only underscores that there is definately leadership that is instilling these negative values and that things are way out of control.

To those who think it's a conspiracy they should only have to look at this guy's little trailer and know that he's spending all his money to make this twisted documentary happen.

Knowing that should tip everyone off that some of our Marines aren't just on the brink, they're in la la land, and it's costing civilians their lives.

I honstly can't tell anyone that beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I wouldn't pull the trigger on anyone that I thought was going to take my life. I don't own a gun, I qualified on rifle in the Navy, but I don't hunt (don't have the time) and don't target shoot (other things are more important).

If I was put in their situations, in the condition and mind set I'm in now, I would probably be fucked.

I can't comprehend volunteering to have my mind twisted in a fashion so that I wouldn't hesitate to take someone's life. Someone I wasn't pissed at. Someone I had never met. To make that happen a person would almost have to make themselves pissed at everyone so that he or she wouldn't hesitate. Add to that that these are the people we're liberating. The people we're helping. The land we're bringing democracy to. Wow ... what kind of a mind fuck is that. Love 'em, hate 'em, kill 'em, feed 'em. All in a land where the people are giving you the thumbs up one minute, then throwing rocks the next. I can't relate at what it would be like to be one of those troops.

They're not justified in doing what they've done, but in many ways they've simply been set up to fail. To take the fall. How can the leadership in DoD really expect humans to react accordingly? I don't think they do. I think for those top brass installed into their positions by this horseshit administration, I think these kinds of acts are acceptable. It's all collateral damage and numbers ... if that.

It's sad, but it's important to try to understand.

While everyone's negative opinions of these Marines have been earned, the puppeteers pulling the strings should be judged a lot more harshly than the puppets.

When the leadership is judged, strung up, and put behind bars, then and probably only then, the pawns and puppets will see the light.

The damage won't be healed, but light will shine where there was darkness, curruption, death, and lies.

[Khaotic]

5. It's What War Does

These guys are our Marines. Don't forget that.

Don't lose site of the situation and don't act like you're in it.

I'm not making excuses, but at the same time you don't just throw away the fact that there's a cause and an effect.

DoD is excepting people they NEVER accepted before, from backgrounds that were previously considered unacceptable.

Some people w/ some real issues are now in our Armed Forces.

Add to that the mind manipulation coming from the Christian Reich Fucking Neocon GOP muppets and we have decades of telling "good Christians" how good it is to kill and how justified it is.

These bumfucks Deliverence shitheads are all too fucking glad to enlist and put it on the line for their country. The reasons they're doing and the mind set they have is delusional, but don't forget what has happened in this country for the last 30 or 40 years.

Now put these people in an illegal fucking war, in a military that extended the max. time for in-theater deployment from 1 yr. to 18 mths. Then tack on the fact that these guys are doing multiple deployments. All the time watching their buddies getting blown away.

Do you really think they can have a rational state of mind?

Their minds are moosh ... and that's exactly the kind of mind this adminstration wants.

Don't lose site of this.

I was in the military. Did 11 yrs. total in the USN and USNR. I never saw, or was subjected to what these guys are.

Regardless of my veteran status is the status that I'm an American. Like almost everyone who posts here.

We can NOT lose site of what is going on and the kind of things this regime is doing to stack the deck and manipulate the environment. At what cost?

The cost isn't just lives, or limbs, but also sanity and the ability to have rational thoughts.

These guys were ate up when they went in, but did they really have a chance once they started their first day of bootcamp? Probably not. Their just one of a huge army of human pawns for the elite greedy and power hungry mad fuck-ups that are in control.

[ContraBass Black]

8. What is that statement based on?

Their service alone?

[Khaotic]

10. You Mean, It's What War Does?

Just look at any war. Any of them, where peole are subjected to prolonged periods of the kind of shit these guys are subjected to.

It's a mindfuck, plain and simple.

Many can, and do, rise above it. But some don't. It doesn't surprise me that it's the Marines who are showing this kind of Ooo Raaah blind patriotism blood bath mentality.

They're not set up to rise above, they're set up to pull the trigger and like it.

[ContraBass Black]

11. No, I mean the qualifyer in the article

"While it is almost certain these Marines are patriots,..."

Why is that there? Is it a denial of the Marines patriotism to disapprove of something they do, or to think that their video is unprofessional and in poor taste?

[Khaotic]

14. Because the serve

They're patriots because they put on the uniform. They went through bootcamp and earned the right to put on the uniform.

Unless you've done that don't say that all of our troops aren't patriotic.

From there they may become blind and mislead patriots, but you're not inside their disturbed heads. You haven't been exposed to what they have. They could very well be certifiable.

Watch ALL the clips on the site.

I can see where they get fucked up. Not just from the leadership, but the whole fucked up situation they're in.

It's an illegal war for profits and power. They just don't understand that "helping" the iraqis isn't any different than overthrowing any other country's dictator and helping that country. The whole terrorism thing was a ruse. They don't believe that because they're getting hit w/ IUDs. To them they're fighting the terrorists. To them they're in the middle of terrorists' central. Every IUD is another reason to stay, not to leave.

They are ate up. They don't see the full picture. They see the trees, that's all.

If that's the case, then can you really say they're not patriots for enlisting, going to war, and doing what they've been brainwashed to do?

Watch the clips. Tell me it's fake. Tell me it's fixed. Tell me these guys are pussies and that they're not doing what they believe is right.

They're doing what they believe is right. They are in some resource helping Iraqis ... they just can't get their minds wrapped around what our occupation is doing and how it created the insurgency.

They don't comprehend it.

It is really sad.

Many, millions, of Americans tetter on this reality. They know it, but they don't know it. They argue w/ themselves inside their own heads. The Corporate Media feeds it.

We grew up basing reality on variables. Not just what the media says, but whether or not they cover it, the extent they cover it, and how people respond. It's manipulated now. The stakes are different and the deck is stacked.

I thought more people here at DU got it.

Maybe I was wrong.

I know Randi Rhodes get it. She served ... she gets it. However, you don't have to serve to get it.

Take two asprine and listen to Randi Rhodes everyday for the rest of your life.

Then come back here.

Just kidding, but Randi is great. She really does get it. It's not the troops, it's the leadership ... the chain of command.

Believe it.

[ContraBass Black]

15. I'm not talking about their patriotism, and I haven't said that they're

not patriotic.

I'm asking why the article steps over itself to mention their patriotism, as if disapproving of the video were an attack on their patriotism.



Suppose I were talking about a politician, and said, "Of course John Kerry loves America, but his vote on appropriating funds for this project was in error because it's a waste of money." Who said he doesn't love America? What does that have to do with this?

[Khaotic]

17. Steps over itself

I don't think I stepped over myself, but so be it.

I probably did it so I wouldn't come off as anti-troops.

You're right, you can definately be against the video and still think that the troops are patriotic.

You're right.

[ContraBass Black]

18. You shouldn't have to worry about sounding anti-troops.

Speaking the truth as you know it and avoiding ad-hominem attacks should be enough. Be firm about that. Don't let people push you into that corner and then discount your words as anti-military when you don't soften them with qualifiers.

[kevinbgoode]

22. I understand, but I also understand that no one required them

to put on that uniform or to enlist in the armed services. I don't mean this personally at all, but I'm getting a little tired of glorifying soldiers - I'm starting to see too many of them use it as something that is supposed to provide them special rights or elevate their opinion.

As a gay person who could not enlist years ago (even though I was recruited by two branches) I don't need to hear too many of these "I'm a hero" stories from people whose peepee points in the proper direction. I do agree with you that we need to try to understand their experience, but these people will be eventually coming HOME, and how many AMERICANS may die when they go off their rocker and throw a tantrum about some hyped up "liberal conspiracy?"

[Tinksrival]

2. I am suspicious

Sounds like a scam to me :shrug:

[ContraBass Black]

12. How so?

[TomInTib]

4. I believe this is illegal.

If any of our guys (Vetnam, 69-72) had pulled this shit, we would have shot them on the spot.

Way to arm the opposition, jerks.

[alittlelark]

6. That reeked of propaganda

I cannot believe that that many members of one Army unit would be that FUCKED UP. They were either put up to it, or thay are not a real military unit.


I know F*cked up shit happens during war... but this is sooo..... CHOREOGRAPHED.

[Khaotic]

9. I think it's real

I came across it ... no one pointed it out to me.

I don't know where everyone is from that uses DU, but I live in Iowa. Believe me, there's a reason why some people call it Idiots Out Walking Around. But it's really no worse than many other Midwest states.

These units that are out there are many times reserve units, activated from Midwest states, where every breathing person in the unit is from the same fucking area.

When I was in the active duty Navy, everyone was from everywhere. That's good, in that you get a very broad spectrum of people from MANY different kinds of upbringing.

A Marine Reserve unit could be one big cluster fuck of gung ho morons from East Jesus Nebraska.

Places like that are STILL seas of Bush/Cheney stickers. Go to a bar and there's tons of redneck mother fuckers talking shit. They're instilled w/ the fact that liberals are pussies who want to take away their guns and tell them that God doesn't exist. This shit is proliferated in the isles of the churches. It's really a wonder that Bush has low approval ratings in these states. They really are brain washed.

Take that unit and toss him into this land where he's shooting, killing, liberating, helping, then shooting, killing, etc. etc. It's fucking madness.

They exist on cigerettes and iPods cranking out "Let the bodies hit the floor" and shit like that.

It's fucking true!!!!

They can only keep their sanity by not questioning, by keeping the hate, feeding it, living off of it.

I don't doubt that this little documentary is completely true. People like this really exist.

There's a guy who used to frequent the Thom Hartmann bulletin board. He talked all kinds of trash. He was a young guy who had his own site w/ photos of himself partying and all this shit.

Everyone asked him why HE wasn't serving in this war. His answer was his career, his job. Then he lost his job. He couldn't take the smack from everyone on the board. I'm surprised he stuck around, but he did.

Fact is, he finally enlisted. He went as far to have an online journal where the last I checked he was still pro-war and talking trash, but it's been a LONG time since I checked his little site.

His name is Joe something. Hit the Thom Hartmann BB and check it out. I'm sure you can find the info if you look.

The guy was skewed, and he probably still is.

He's not exactly the kind of guy that would make this film, but I don't know. Again I can't relate to being in that situation. I don't have first hand experience at what it does to a person. It has to be really messed up.

I think the site and the documentary is legit. As mess up as it seems, I think this guy is crazed and whack, but he's real. Sad.

[alittlelark]

13. There are F'ed up ppl in the Military and at 'home'

it still seemed too choreographed and 'created'.

didn't seem real to me.

[Khaotic]

16. Wow

I don't know what set was built to stage those intervies on the site.

Did you watch all of it, or just the little trailer?

The trailer is a mix of the dude's video shot in Iraq, a lot of stills taken from the 'Net, the punk music, and some video the guy took that's been circulating around the 'Net as well.

His stuff stands out like a sore thumb. The other stuff is just the time he took to come up w/ a hate filled trailer that not only showcases some of his video, but also sets his stuff apart from ANY of the other Iraq War documentaries.

There's no doubt this dude wants to attract the far pro-war crazy right. He doesn't want his stuff to look anything like any of the other documentaries.

Thing is, a lot of his stuff (if you watch the raw clips) works against the war. The points he makes that out of country Middle Easterners have to be brought into cook for the Marines, only underscores how effective the insurgency is. If you think the insurgency are filled w/ Al Queda, then I guess it seems justified to highlight it. But if the insurgency is filled w/ your run-of-the-mill Iraqi who doesn't want America there anymore, then it begins to look a lot like the South Vietnamese who were bombing us and helping North Vietnam.

Sen. Robert Kennedy talked about his before he was assinated like his brother.

Check it out: http://www.angelfire.com/pa4/kennedy/speech.html

That's a speech more people should hear.

[sandnsea]

19. Well that was fucked up

Hate the people who didn't want you to go to Iraq because you're pissed off they aren't in Iraq and you are. Well okeedoke.

I can see that it's going to be Vietnam post-war redeux too. I imagine we just met the Swift Boaters of 2034.

And on and on it goes.

[Khaotic]

20. Sad Isn't It

[kevinbgoode]

21. There is nothing patriotic about this site at all. . .

And since I just read a story about how gay service personnel are baited through their own personal myspace.com web sites, it would be prudent to demand our Congress discharge these "men" immediately. Pronto. And consider whether criminal charges may be justified.

[TexasLawyer]

23. "balance" ?

So here's their pitch for money on the MySpace site--

"Help us battle the incessant anti-war, anti-administration media message, with the balance America needs from "Young Americans". Help get out the message to support the war in Iraq and the troops there."

WTF?!? If anything, this documentary makes me want to send the whole lot of them to see psychiatrists.

And if these guys want the public's love and support, then why do they have song lyrics, and even flash the words fullscreen: "I don't need your love", "I don't need your respect," and "Suck my dick"?

Two thumbs down. I found it confusing, ill-conceived and moranic.

[Khaotic]

25. You're right ...

It also shows the blood and even what appears to be an Iraqi's head being held up like a trophy.

This site should be exposed.

How can so many people freak about "Hadji Girl," but no one cares about an entire documentary that makes "Hadji Girl" seem like daycamp.

People need to know what this war is doing to our troops.

[Qanisqineq]

24. nevermind...

He makes it sound like he recently enlisted -- within the past few years. Yet the age for enlisting was only recently (past few months) raised to 42. Before that I believe it was 35. He couldn't have enlisted since 9/11, he'd have been too old. But then, maybe he's been in for a while and I just interpreted it wrong.

Either way, sick.

EDIT: I re-read it... he states he's a civilian. DOH!

[Khaotic]

26. Now

... he's a civilian. And now it's his mission to glorify the war. He has no idea how much he's showing his ass.