Falwell: "You almost got to be a homosexual to be recognized in the....

[LynneSin]

.....entertainment industry anymore"

FALWELL: Illicit sex today. Today the world has gone sex crazy. Illicit sex has become the downfall of many in the Bible. Movie stars not married to each other, having babies and making headlines all over the world as though they were doing some great thing. Big deal! Just another moral pervert. And for them to become heroes for our kids. My wife and I will be married 49 years the next anniversary.

<...>

And don't, don't ever be proud of sin. You know, you almost got to be a homosexual to be recognized in the entertainment industry anymore. Ellen , and all the rest. I love them, pray for their souls, but they're immoral. And the Hollywood scene -- five and eight and 10 marriages -- not something to be emulated.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

One word - HYPOCRITE

[wicket]

1. Is the Hollywood divorce rate any higher than the rest of the US? (50%)

Also, isn't divorce higher than average in evangelical communities? You got that right, he's definitely one hugh hypocrite.

[allalone]

2. hey Falwell, talk to limbaugh lately??

[LostinVA]

110. Or many of the GOP?

[Bluebear]

3. "five and eight and 10 marriages -- not something to be emulated"

Sounds like a lot of Republican politicians, if you ask me.

[KatyaR]

153. Name me ONE PERSON who's been married ten times.

Other than a polygamist, I mean.

ONE PERSON, Jerry, just ONE. Come on, I know you wouldn't say it unless you knew it to be the truth.

These people just make shit up, I swear. And the sad thing is--people fall all over themselves believing every word they say.

[Toucano]

173. To do that, I'd have to go to the bible.

Old Testament characters hold the record, I think.

[Hugin]

4. Aha! An explaination for Limp's Viagra!

Good catch Lynnesin.

[marmar]

5. Could Falwell be a bigger assmunch?

And now he's an assmunch desperate for attention. :crazy:

[Fridays Child]

6. Could this explain Rush's trip to the Dominican Republic?

Maybe his audience share is dropping and he's just trying to get recognized in the entertainment industry.

:shrug:

[JackBeck]

7. He must be praying overtime for Cheney and Alan Keyes' daughters.

[tflabo]

8. Old Testament says...

" You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination" Leviticus 18:22

Errr.. just thought you all would want to know whats in that book.

[LynneSin]

9. Old Testament: History, New Testament: Covenant to the people

Matthew 22:34-40

Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

++++++++++++++++

Anyhow the old testament tells us we can't eat lobster, crab or anything else from the sea without fins plus we can go to our neighbors in order to find slaves.

Old testament is crap and if you had any history of the bible under your belt you would know that this particular verse was not about homosexuality but a pagan practice.

Idiot

[tflabo]

16. Legit Levit

OK...what practice was that? Explain it.

[Hugin]

19. You've lurked around since October 2005 to ask us that?!?!

Cripes!

Look it up.

[underpants]

48. Okay side topic but at some point the light went off in its head

NOW! is the chance I have been waiting for!!!

MuuuWAHAHAHA!!!

Good grief. That is a long time to wait to have your popgun not go off.

[Hugin]

55. Self denial is a powerful...

aphrodisiac.

Or so it is said in Rudolph 10:4.

[Warren DeMontague]

81. He saw the name "Jerry Falwell" and he got a woody. nt

[LynneSin]

28. It's called Christianity

And as a Christian I recognize the Old Testament as our history, back when God was a vengful God who thought nothing of striking dead people, cities and/or nations.

But he gave us Jesus, his only son as a covenent to us that our sins were forgiven and that we simply needed to love God, love our neighbor and do unto others as they would do unto us.

Don't shame us Christians with your narrow-minded bigoted viewpoints from historical parts of the bible not recognized by most Christians.

And btw, if you have ever eaten at a Red Lobster - may your soul rot in hell!

[LostinVA]

115. I love you, Lynne

But in a non-sexual, non-lesbian way... I promise!

[walldude]

33. Hehe.. get off at the wrong bus stop friend?

You are in the wrong neighborhood if you want to win a debate by quoting your bible. DU has a hard time dealing with mythology. Try some facts next time.

[RoseMead]

34. I will educate you

because I am nice. Even though I'm not a Christian. Go figure.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm
"This passage does not refer to gay sex generally, but only to a specific form of homosexual prostitution in Pagan temples. Much of Leviticus deals with the Holiness Code which outlined ways in which the ancient Hebrews were to be set apart to God. Some fertility worship practices found in nearly Pagan cultures were specifically prohibited; ritual same-sex behavior in Pagan temples was one such practice."

Other interpretations are discussed as well.

[tflabo]

73. genesis interpretation

Sounds like a narrow interpretation to such a strong admonition. Many years prior to the book of Leviticus the story of Sodom and Gommorrah. Apparantly God was not too pleased with the sexual debauchery of rampant homosexual behavior as described in Genesis 19:4. The cities got destroyed when you read it. Today we live under grace and mercy of God for us to admit our sins and receive salvation from Jesus Christ. I know that riles up a few of you but just sharing the info. Glad to be on the DU forum.

[Warren DeMontague]

79. How old is the Earth?

How many years?

[racaulk]

84. ***NEWS FLASH***

Massachusetts is doing OK
Sweden is doing OK
The Netherlands is doing OK
Belgium is doing OK
Spain is doing OK

All of these places give full rights and protections to two gay people that love each other and allow them to get married. These governmental entities are not so blinded by religious zealotry that they treat all of their citizens like, oh I dunno, human beings! How about that?

And where is God's awful vengeance?

*crickets chirping*

Didn't think so!

Fuck you and take your bigoted, narrow-minded, hypocritical, sorry ass out of this forum! The USA is not a theocracy (yet), so stop shoving your fucking religion down our throats!

[Canuckistanian]

151. You forgot Canada

And to this date, we remain unsmitten.

[roguevalley]

156. actually, I find Canada kind of cute. ;)

[Canuckistanian]

166. Cute? CUTE?

Yeah, I guess we are.

[racaulk]

168. Oh yes, you're right!

Sorry for the oversight! I was so pissed off and wound up in my rant (as you could tell) that I forgot that Canada recently joined the list of countries that provide marriage protections to all couples, not just opposite-sex couples. That's really great for your country! I look forward to the day that the United States can join you, but I doubt that it will happen any time soon.

[RoseMead]

88. Perhaps you will find this educational then

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah

"Classical Jewish texts do not specifically indicate that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because the inhabitants were homosexual. Rather, they were destroyed because the inhabitants were generally depraved and uncompromisingly greedy. Rabbinic writings affirm that the primary crimes of the Sodomites were terrible and repeated economic crimes, both against each other and outsiders.

A rabbinic tradition, described in the Mishnah, postulates that the sin of Sodom was related to property: Sodomites believed that "what is mine is mine, and what is yours is yours" (Abot), which is interpreted as a lack of compassion. Another rabbinic tradition is that these two wealthy cities treated visitors in a sadistic fashion. One example is the story of the "bed" that guests to Sodom were forced to sleep in: if they were too short they were stretched to fit it, and if they were too tall, they were cut up.(compare Procrustes)

The Talmud also recounts the incident of a young girl (some sources say it was a daughter of Lot) who gave some bread to a poor man who had entered the city. When the townspeople discovered her act of kindness, they smeared her body with honey and hung her from the city wall until she was stung to death by bees. (Sanhedrin 109a) It is this gruesome event (and her scream, in particular), the Talmud concludes, that are alluded to in the verse that heralds the city’s destruction: "So Hashem said, ‘Because the outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah has become great, and because their sin has been very grave, I will descend and see…" (Genesis 18:20-21)"

Also, from the same article:

"There is no Old Testament text in which yadha specifically refers to homosexual coitus, with the single exception of this disputed Sodom and Gomorrah story in Genesis. The less ambiguous word shakhabh, however, is used for homosexual, heterosexual, and bestial intercourse. Shakhabh appears fifty times in the Old Testament; if it had been used instead of yadha in the Sodom story, the meaning of the text would have been unmistakable. Based on this interpretation, we lack conclusive grounds to assume that the men of Sodom only wanted to rape the visitors. We simply know that their intentions were unfriendly."

There is alot more at the link. It does state that Christains believe this story deals with punishment for homosexuality, but since the Old Testament is originally Jewish, I tend to give the Jewish interpretations more weight.

Also, you speak as if we all are Christians here, and should believe as you do. We are not, and we do not. You will do better here if you try to remember that.

[LynneSin]

89. And then Lot got drunk by his 2 daugters and they seduced him

Genesis 19:30-32

30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father."

+++++++++++++++++++

I'm guessing your bible edited out that section

[Hugin]

90. Oh, *there* you are... On to "Male Genital Injury"

From Laws...

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/male_genital_injury/dt23_01a.html

[BR_Parkway]

104. Again, you're being a False Prophet - Jesus himself warned against

that in these times.

Ezekiel and Jesus himself said that God destroyed Sodom (along with the other 3 cities) for their uncharitible ways, their pride and inhospitibility.

Ezekeiel 16:49-50:"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." God states clearly that he destroyed Sodom's sins because of their pride, their excess of food while the poor and needy suffered; sexual activity is not even mentioned.

Luke 10:10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
Luke 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luke 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.

So once again, I say to you that if you're going to claim to live your life by the Book, to the service of the Lord in sharing His Gospel around the world according to the Great Commission - please take your head out of you ass long enough to learn what the damn thing says. You might make better progress that way - misquoting makes you a false prophet, something else Jesus Himself warned about in these times.

I'm pretty sure you didn't intentionally wander in here to willfully do the work of Satan himself, shut down your computer, go into your closet and pray for forgiveness for the Blaspheme you've committed here.

[Lars39]

109. God was more displeased with Capernaum than with Sodom:

Matthew 11:23
And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee

[degreesofgray]

137. Genesis is a band

or was it a failed project create an atmosphere and grow plant life on a barren planet in one of the Star Trek movies? Whichever one it was, I base my life on it without question.

[foreigncorrespondent]

152. Wrong...

...today those who CHOOSE religion live under the grace and mercy of God. Many people CHOOSE not to follow religion that believes in a book written by MAN as the true words of our creator.

[roguevalley]

155. The cities got destroyed because the Dead Sea blew up. Not because

some angels almost got mobbed. Frankly, I find the supernaturals aspects of Christianity about as pagan as Mithras and Osiris. How is it that some Christians can decry witches and what not and believe this stuff? Almost nothing in the Old Testament is historical. Its allegorical and meant to be thought about and considered with skills the fundamentalists in the early church burned and persecuted out of existence. And we are all the poorer for it. (Google the Dead Sea and check out the explosive features of it. Don't take my word for it.)

[Bill McBlueState]

169. if that's what your god is like,

it shouldn't be that surprising that a lot of people don't want to have anything to do with your god.

Fortunately for gays and lesbians, in this country the Constitution rules, not your holy book.

[EOTE]

40. You're a sharp one!

And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Hmmm, where's that from? Oh yeah, Leviticus. Do you eat shellfish? You do? Sinner!!! You're going to hell and spend eternity being sodomized by satan! Have you ever worn a cotton/poly blend? You have? Then you must not have read what Leviticus says about wearing clothing made of 2 different types of cloth. Double sinner!!!! Just be aware that by your own code, you'll spend eternity burning in hell. Have a nice day :)

[LostinVA]

114. Freeper troll ass didn't last long, huh?

[LynneSin]

123. I posted it in the lounge but it got deleted right away

Next time I'll PM you so you can join in the fun.

BTW, there are no references in the bible against lesbian relations whether literal or even remotely word enough for a fundie to make their own interpretation.

Just thought I'd let you know.

[LostinVA]

135. I actually DO know that, and have informed Freeper Fundies of that

more than once. Actually, what I say is: "Since lesbians are never mentioned in the Bible, I guess that means that God and Jesus love us." Or, when I had people say stuff about AIDS being punishment for gays: "Well, since there's never been a lesbian to contract HIV from girl-on-girl sex, I guess that means that we're the most blessed and loved by GOd."

Giggle.

WTF did this person hang around for a year until now?

[LynneSin]

136. He was waiting for me to post a Jerry Falwell thread

I feel so special :eyes:

[LostinVA]

140. I loved his Chick Tract quotes -- "Book of Life" -- hahahahaha

[LynneSin]

144. As soon as I saw that I new he was a Chick Track guy

I read those things as a joke - they're such a good laugh. Chick track mentality is that as long as you believe then you don't need to bother to do good deeds because that stuff is just useless

[LostinVA]

145. Exactly -- sometimes I read them at lunch

They're all online. They make me giggle.

[obreaslan]

10. .

:popcorn:

[racaulk]

69. I'll join you, friend. Pass the butter!

:popcorn:

[LeftyMom]

11. Do you really think we give a flying fuck?

:shrug:

[neverforget]

12. Is that the only thing the bible says?

[Taverner]

15. Yep!

All the Fundies care about is how they can justify hate.

[tflabo]

29. New Testie

Of course not..New Testament book of Corinthians states this:

"Do you not know that the unrighteous and wrongdoers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God. Do not be deceived, neither the impure and immoral, idolaters, adulterers, nor those who practice in homosexuality.... 1 Corinthians 6:9

So we ALL have sinned and need forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

[LynneSin]

31. Written by the first Christian Fundamentalist - Paul

I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, not the screwed up religion that Paul created

[Jo March]

107. LynneSin

Well stated. The words of Christ cannot be used to promote hate so people refer to the Old Testament and then to Paul's writings.

[LostinVA]

121. Perfect -- my mom says she's a Christian, not a Paulite!

I got it from someone on here a while ago, and she loves it!

The religion of Jesus is a wonderful religion...and I'd probably still eb Catholic if that's the one the Church still followed.

[Maestro]

38. I guess you are an expert

in ancient languages. What is the definition of all of those words in Aramaic or ancient Hebrew for that matter? Do you realize that the Virgin Mary was called that because the word virgin in Aramaic or ancient Hebrew, I can't remember which, meant young woman? So Yahweh was born of a young woman. But if it fits your prejudices, you won't want to change.

[JackBeck]

39. I love the story of Jonathan and David.

The hottest gay boys in the Bible.

[karlrschneider]

43. Words of Saul, the Terrorist of Tarsus who never even met J.C.

Take your pontificating and shove it up your anal-cyst infected ass.

[Name removed]

87. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[racaulk]

91. Anal sex

Hey Einstein...FYI...many men enjoy the pleasure of anal stimulation, not just gay men. Maybe if you tried it you wouldn't be so fucking uptight!

[Warren DeMontague]

93. Typically delusional homophobe.

Hey dude- here's a piece of pertinent information that may help you with this obsession: I'm pretty certain gay men aren't terribly interested in your ass, or in having sex with you at all.

And I think it's probably safe to say that women aren't, either.

[PA Democrat]

99. You sound much more like a hate mongering homophobic

jerk than a follower of Christ. Take your bigotry somewhere else, buddy. Read the DU rules.

[LostinVA]

122. The self-loathing Roman Jewish mole

Who couldn't deal with his own sexuality...

[walldude]

62. Somehow I think that Jesus would want me to get forgivness from

and make atonement to the person I have sinned against, not to him.
Your entire anti-gay agenda is based on the assumption that being "gay" is a choice. Well having raised 3 children, one of them gay, I can safely say you are so wrong and so brainwashed that you will never see the truth. Somehow I doubt gay people make a choice to spend their lives being persecuted by self-righteous ignoramous's like you. Maybe if instead of throwing stones at them, you befriended a gay person you'd get a clue.

[BR_Parkway]

82. If you'll go look up that verse, you'll find that the word homosexuality

isn't in it. It was a reference to using male prostitutes (like female prostitutes)

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


<9> The Greek word translated as boy prostitutes may refer to catamites, i.e., boys or young men who were kept for purposes of prostitution, a practice not uncommon in the Greco-Roman world. In Greek mythology this was the function of Ganymede, the "cupbearer of the gods," whose Latin name was Catamitus.

If you're going to claim to live your life by the Book, to the service of the Lord in sharing His Gospel around the world according to the Great Commission - please take your head out of you ass long enough to learn what the damn thing says. You might make better progress that way - misquoting makes you a false prophet, something else Jesus Himself warned about in these times.

I'm pretty sure you didn't intentionally wander in here to willfully do the work of Satan himself, shut down your computer, go into your closet and pray for forgiveness for the Blaspheme you've committed here.

[LostinVA]

120. False translation

I studied Koine Greek for several years... know what that is, partner. OOPs! Guess not! It's furrin... your Bible was written in English, huh?

Go study the language, the commentaries, do a few exeg=esis.... then just LOOK UP THE FUCKING WORD. Itw as mistranslated ON PURPOSE... just as the word "witch" was added on purpose.

How scary to live in such an ignorant, narrow world....

Hey, I got an idea: go join the military and fight in Iraq.

[Taverner]

13. And I don't give a rats ass...

Although even that verse could be open to interpretation...but I digress...

[JackBeck]

14. What a profound and thought-provoking first post.

:eyes:

[Maestro]

17. How are you doing fundie?

May I ask a question? Why do you and all your ilk pick and choose verses to suit your needs? If you follow the Bible literally, how many slaves do you have? Leviticus talks about that as well. What about clean and unclean animals? Do you follow that too? Are your sacrifices to God done correctly per Leviticus?

Mods, don't tombstone him/her. I really want this person to even try to justify his thinking.

[Jawja]

20. And what "thinking"

do you believe this person can justify? :shrug:

[Maestro]

24. Granted

This person probably doesn't think much but I still want him/her to explain.

[LynneSin]

32. How many trips to Red Lobster for the "All you can eat crab-leg night"

:eyes:

[tflabo]

36. Fundie here

OK...a little assignment for you. Find a verse in the Bible Old Testament or New that condones homosexuality...
or Adultery for that matter too.

[JackBeck]

44. There's a beautiful love story between Jonathan and David.

They take off their clothes and roll around naked in a field. Pretty hot stuff, if you ask me.

[LynneSin]

63. Don't forget Lot's daughters seducing him

And Ester & Ruth were much closer than what meets the eye

[LostinVA]

126. And Song of Songs

Some hot INTERRACIAL stuff in there.... SIZZLE

[Hugin]

45. We'll start off slow...

Here we start off by stealing, murdering and enslaving women.

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_wilderness/massacre_of_the_midianites/nm31_09.html

[LostinVA]

127. Don't forget the rape of Dinah

Where her wonderful family just wanted her to marry her rapist to make it all better. Hell, if we did that now, why there wouldn';t be such a thing as a rapist!

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

46. Have you sold your daughter into slavery? Do you eat shrimp?

Do you wear clothing made of mixed materials?

[LynneSin]

I did today - can you forgive me

I'm mostly wearing cotton, but my top is a cotton-polyester blend

I'm a sinner =(.

Edit note: I had a crab cake for lunch today too

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

76. Lynne...when are you gonna learn! its straight to hell with you

:rofl:

[LynneSin]

83. If Jerry Falwell is there then I'll know I'm in hell

:cry:

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

85. we should ask tflabo if Jerry is going to heaven or hell

Im sure he'll be spot on :crazy:

on edit: oh and maybe he'll selectively quote scripture to prove his point again :silly:

[LynneSin]

92. Yeah, he told the story about Lot and the towns of Sodom & Gommorah....

...but cut the story off right before the part where Lot's daughters got him (Lot, the father) drunk so they (the daughters) could seduce him and bear his children

30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father."

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

96. oh, so the bible condones incest? I thought that gay marriage was

going to lead to incest...all this contradiction in one book is making my head spin :rofl:

[LynneSin]

103. You want to read Erotica? Try the book Song of Solomon in the bible

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/www/Bible/Song_of_Solomon.html

[LostinVA]

130. Or where Lot wanted his daughters raped to death

So that the angels would be okay. Meaning: so it's okay to have women gang raped to death as long as the men are "saved."

[roguevalley]

158. you haven't even touched on how incest created all of us: Where

the HELL did Adam and Eve's kids spouses come from?

[LostinVA]

128. SINNER!!!

[LynneSin]

141. Check the tag on your wardrobe missy

I bet you have some cotton-polyester blends on your body

[LostinVA]

146. Damn....

[LynneSin]

170. Yeah, you're rotting in hell with the rest of us

:eyes:

[LostinVA]

171. I know -- it's why I work heat training into my workouts....

[LynneSin]

172. All for the love of cotton-polyester blends

perhaps if you just listen to L'il Susy then perhaps you too can be saved!!





http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1050/1050_01.asp

[LostinVA]

175. You're right, Lynne!!!!

I just threw away all my blends, and now I'm in the Book of Life!!!

Thank Yahweh God loves lesbians, so I can keep my SO! (notice Little Suzy's arm around Cathy -- even Jack Chick thinks lesbians are a-okay!)

[EOTE]

49. A little assignment for you...

Find one verse in the bible that condones eating shellfish, or shaving facial hair, or having a piercing or body art. Find a verse in the bible that condones eating ice cream, or playing Chutes and Ladders. As soon as you've found a single one of those, I'll find you a verse that condones homosexuality. Have fun Corky.

[RoseMead]

52. Well, there are lots of things the Bible doesn't even mention

along with the things that it condones or doesn't condone.

Are you just meaning to point out that Falwell is just following Biblical teachings? Then the question becomes, what about all the other teachings in the Old and New Testaments that are just ignored by Falwell and his ilk?

I won't call you a fundie just over this. However, pushing Bible verses here is not likely to win you any arguments.

[LynneSin]

75. If Falwell is following the bible teaching then explain Matt.19:24 to me

Matthew 19:24

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

+++++++++++++++

Last I checked Jesus lived the life of a Pauper, but Falwall is sitting hign on the pork with a shitload of money from the donation scams his church performs

[Lars39]

53. The bible is silent on a lot of things.

Are you aware that King James was gay? Just thought you ought to know. :)

[Maestro]

56. Answer my question.

I don't condone adultery and you do not have to be Christian to understand that is wrong. Human values tell me that is wrong. Human values also tell me that if two people love each other, I could care less if they were hetero or homo.

[tflabo]

80. live and let live

Hey I agree...Choose your way....there are consequences for every decision and a little Scriptural reference sheds light on the subject. Believe it or reject it...just know its there for wisdom and instruction.

[roguevalley]

159. God is busy with other things or, this hands-on God that you believe

in would stop Darfur. Oh, right. Those dudes are Muslim.

You need to consider how you view your religion. At some point you must leave your child religious views behind and mature. Believing in the supernatural and that God himself/herself actually wrote all those lists and lists of names in some of the chapters -- I will NEVER understand why lists of names of people constitute ENTIRE CHAPTERS of the Bible -- as well as literal interpretation of things that defy physics and apparently have ONLY ONCE in the history of the universe isn't good for a person's adult mind.

And even if you can't, don't dump it on ANYONE ELSE WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. I get tracts from my fruit man, from the neighbors and all the rest. I could puke from it.

[LynneSin]

58. What does it matter what the old testament tells us - it's HISTORY

You haven't done much studying of the bible and Obviously you didn't even get a clue about the verses from Matthew that I posted. But as a lifetime practicing Christian with a minor in Religion from college, let me tell you that you are absolutely way off base.

Obviously you've read one verse out of Leviticus? Have you read the rest of them? Do you know that Leviticus, along with Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy are books that are recognized in all 3 major religions. Isn't it funny that how the laws as stated in Leviticus were also the same ones practice by the Taliban in Afghanistan - a fundamentalist muslim country.

There is nothing in the bible the condones homosexuality simply because it's a non-issue in the bible. Hell the bible wasn't even a creation of God but a creation of a 3rd Century Roman council that got together and decided with books would best promote Christianity and their own purpose (like Render until Caesar).

That doesn't mean the bible is bunk and for many of us, like myself, it is a source of love & inspiration. But that's because I follow what was in the Gospel which is what was Jesus teaching and actions. And then I try to live a life where I show the same love, respect and compassion to others that Jesus has shown.

So riddle me this you Fred Phelps wanna-be - Find me one verse in the Gospel where Jesus condemns homosexuality. I don't care what Jewish Leaders pre-Jesus said and I don't care about what Paul said. I want Jesus's words here.

Nuff said!

[BR_Parkway]

61. Start with Luke 17:34 - Jesus himself talking about his return

and how sudden it would be. Mentions two men sleeping in the bed together, without any condemnation at all. Considering how many of the ancient Greeks had sex with men at the time, it wouldn't have been strange

17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

17:35 Two shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

17:36 Two shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body , thither will the eagles be gathered together.

[Maestro]

70. Also

Why is it that there are two Genesis stories in the Bible? Why is it that in the story of Noah, churches fail to teach the part about Noah getting drunk then being molested by his kids? Why are there two Adam and Eve stories, the one canonized and the other that was thrown away becuase it didn't put Eve in a bad enough light?

Again, I ask you, why do you pick and choose the verses the FOLLOW? Picking and chooses apparently goes against what God has said. "Whatever I am now commanding you, you must keep and observe, adding nothing to it, taking nothing away." Deuteronomy 13:1 You don't believe in stoning children, do you? Or do you?

[Warren DeMontague]

77. Find a reason I should give a shit. One that doesn't involve buying into

the sunday school cartoon, two-dimensional, 60 IQ point interpretation of reality you have rattling around in your skull.

[blonndee]

106. Here's one for you: Find anything that condemns slavery.

Also, explain why your biblegod thinks it's okay to slaughter innocent babies and/or send others to do so.

[LostinVA]

125. Can't prove a negative, self loather

[Dangerously Amused]

129. Pointless.

"Find a verse in the Bible Old Testament or New that condones homosexuality...
or Adultery for that matter too."


That's like saying "find a verse in Grimm's Fairy Tales which says that donkeys can't really talk."

[roguevalley]

157. I don't think there are any verses that condone good weather, rats,

the purr of kittens and other things. If it isn't there, does it exist? What is the sound of one hand clapping?

[Bluebear]

18. And if we don't believe that gobbledygook?

Errr... beware of the man that only reads one book.

[tflabo]

42. The Book

Rather beware the men who reject or deny THE BOOK...the Book of Life.

[karlrschneider]

47. To quote your Dear Vice Leader

Go fuck yourself.

[EOTE]

54. Oooh, I like this guy....

Can we please keep him around a while?

[LostinVA]

132. I know, it's way fun! Nothing better after a long run in the rain!

[RoseMead]

59. Ok

*now* I will call you a fundie.

edited cause I left out I. Aye!

[Warren DeMontague]

65. You mean the book of "Bob", don't you?

[RoseMead]

68. LOL

:rofl:

The Scripture of Slack!

[Gato Moteado]

67. go away

i hate freakin' fundies that talk about jesus but ignore everything he said.

[Maestro]

71. I think people like you

are one of the reasons life is not worth living sometimes. You engender nothing but ignorance, arrogance and hatred. I don't want my kids anywhere near anyone like you.

[LynneSin]

72. WE GOT A CHICK GUY

You actually believe those joke books? No wonder you were quoting Paul. Extremists like yourself forsake the message of Jesus and follow the messed up faith of Paul who basically felt we need to convert or kill em. Paul also explains why these fundie fanatic preachers are so quick to judge but do little to actually help mankind because Paul's Christianity is based on the fact that salvation is by faith alone wheras true Christians believe that salvation is through both faith and action.

[txwhitedove]

86. Tflabo, you are obviously on the wrong website....

And take down that Texas flag cause you're embarrassing the true Texas Democrats.

[LondonReign2]

119. Fuck you

Londonreign 1:1 And the rest of the fundie fucks ruining this country.

[Bluebear]

148. Amen. nt

[LostinVA]

131. The book of life isn't the same thing as the Bible, moran

Hey, I've read ALL the Chick tracts, as well as studied theology... not just drooled over the hymnal during church.

WTF are you quoting, anyway? Some bad Hal Lindsey?

GIGGLEGIGGLEGIGGLEGIGGLEGIGGLE

[roguevalley]

160. I pity your smallness of vision. THE BOOK? This 'book' was

constructed in committee to appease a pagan king. Imagine all the truth that was tossed to appease him, to consolidate power for the few who were there deciding the canon, all the hope they shit canned. Jesus is barely visible in this 'book' and mores the pity. Consider all the blood that has been shed over all the centuries because of this book. Consider all the pain, the suffering... consider that the dark ages began the minute the council determining this content was concluded and didn't end for centuries. So much for the book. I don't mind the book. I revere the goodness of Jesus. I find his literal fundamental followers suck.

[ghostsofgiants]

21. Wait, what does that have to do with anything?

[LynneSin]

22. For our friend - more laws from Leviticus - hope you're not breaking any

Leviticus 19:19 - Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.


Leviticus 19:27 - You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor shall you disfigure the edges of your beard

Leviticus 21:17-18 - "Speak to Aaron. Tell him, 'For all time to come, no man in your family line who has any flaws can come near to offer food to me. 18" 'No man who has any flaws can come near. No man who is blind or disabled can come. No man whose body is scarred or twisted can come.

Leviticus 11:9-12 - These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat. And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

[Hugin]

27. Oh, hurry up and get to the inneresting parts...

You know, all the knowing, begetting, and begotting!

[Bretttido]

23. Ya, that great book also says its okay to have slaves

The entire book of leviticus is based on the Babylonian laws of 600 B.C. We live in 21st century America, thank you very much. And by the way, THE USA IS NOT A THEOCRACY!!!

[Pierre.Suave]

26. oh brother...

:eyes:

[karlrschneider]

37. We all know what's in the book of mythology.

:puke:

[racaulk]

41. The Bible also says that...

"Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of solemn rest to Yahweh: whoever does any work in it shall be put to death." Exodus 35:2

Soooo...should it be OK for me to go to Home Depot this Sunday with a machine gun and put to death all of the retail workers because they committed the horrific sin of working on Sunday?

No, of course not!

It's amazing to me how you and your ilk pick and choose the verses that confirm your narrow worldview and that justify your hatred and your need to suppress and marginalize anyone who is not like yourself. If you want to live your life by the Bible, then do it all the way and live by the entire book! Until you can do that, you're just a sorry ass hypocrite and not worth the time of any intelligent, rational person.

Dumb fuck! Enjoy your brief stay here at DU. Or should I say...IBTZ?

[LynneSin]

64. When you're done with Home Depot don't forget about Red Lobster

:D

[racaulk]

74. Good point!

There I could kill all the employees for working on Sunday and kill all the customers for eating shellfish! And it would be OK because God said all of those people should be put to death! I can spread the word of God from the Good Book to everyone! It will be a glorious day! Hallelujah!

And just think, if our country becomes a full, raging theocracy, and the Bible became the unbending law of the land (like I'm sure our fundie friend here would like), there's not a court in the country that would touch me.

;)

[LostinVA]

133. hahahahahaha -- and then go play FOOTBALL!

[roguevalley]

161. I believe you were allowed to walk 50 steps in those days before

they stoned you for breaking the sabbath. Which by the way was on Friday night to Saturday night. Since Jesus was an orthodox Jew -- you do know he was a Jew, right? -- then you better adjust your calendar and tell your pastor he's breaking law.

[Aristus]

50. You really think you can come in here with that hateful horseshit

and get away with it?

Leviticus also says a man may own slaves if he purchases them in neighboring countries. So you tell me, can I own slaves if I buy them in Canada and Mexico? Is there anything wrong with that?

Leviticus says that it is an abomination to wear a garment made of two different fabrics. My wife owns a blouse made of silk and rayon. Should I stone her to death? Do the townspeople have to do it?

Also, my wife was not a virgin when I married her; she was married previously and has three children from her first husband. but still, by the letter of the law, she was not a virgin when we wed. How many townspeople constitute a lawful gathering when I stone her to death for unchastity?

Do the members of your favorite football team know that touching the skin of a pig makes them unclean? Will you still watch them every Sunday as they commit this abomination?

If I decide to sell my step-daughter into slavery as discussed in Leviticus, what price should I ask for her? What's the going rate for slaves these days? And what does Leviticus say I should do with the proceeds of the sale?

Can you help me out here?


Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Warren DeMontague]

57. Why the fuck would you think that?

Hey- what does Leviticus tell you about eating shrimp, genius?

Welcome to DU. Enjoy your... stay.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

66. I like Jed Bartlett's response:

"I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I have you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21 : 7. She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff Leo McGarry insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important because we've got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11 : 7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you?"

[Dangerously Amused]

78. Hypocrite much?

Leviticus is a book of various religious rules that one particular culture chose to impose upon its people. Leviticus 18:22, which would appear to "outlaw" homosexuality, is the most frequently quoted rule. Let's take a look at some of Leviticus' other rules:


Leviticus 19:19: "Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material." (I'll bet you're wearing a cotton/poly blend right now. You sinner!)

Leviticus 19:27: "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." (You better have that long-haired hippy look goin on. You know, like Jesus.)

Leviticus 11:3: "You may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud." (Bacon for breakfast this morning? Split pea with ham at lunch?)

Leviticus 11: 9: "Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales." (No deep-fried shrimp. No clam chowder. No oysters on the half shell. No crab legs. No lobster tail. No no no!)

Leviticus 25:45-46: "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever." (It says shall buy the children of strangers to keep as slaves. So... how many do you own? And is Child Protective Services aware of this arrangement?)

Leviticus 15:19-24: "After menstruating, women are unclean for seven days, and anyone who touches a menstruating woman (as well as her clothes, her bed, or her furniture!) is considered unclean." (I certainly hope you aren't sleeping in the same bed as your wife for about half the month.)



Do you get the point? But hey, don't take my word for it. Let's have James tell you:

James 2:10: "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."


There you go. Might as well indulge in those homosexual fantasies after all.

[cinci_democrat]

105. Great post...thanks Dangerously Amused

the only bone I have to pick with you is...I always like Fred Astaire better.

;-)

[Dangerously Amused]

111. Thanks.

And I grudgingly concede that Fred was technically the better dancer. But Gene was all about the passion baby, and yep, that did it for me. :7


:hi:

[roguevalley]

163. It seems to me that Christians were given leave not to keep the

laws. All of this shit doesn't apply to them because they don't have to keep the laws, including getting circumcised to be a follower. It was a big thing between Paul, who wanted slack rules and James and Peter, who wanted the rules followed to the tee. So, all your bloviating doesn't apply. Paul 'won' and so we don't have to follow your 'rules'.

[Warren DeMontague]

94. Rat in a drain ditch, caught on a limb...

he's gone.

[LynneSin]

98. Boys and Girls - sorry to say, there is no more tflabo

It took him over a year of lurking to find the right thread for him to expose his bigoted, hateful, homophobic ways and now he is gone

[racaulk]

102. Buh bye then. Oh well.

:nopity:

[Maestro]

143. Crap!

He never responded to anything I said in a logical, cogent way, but hey what was I thinking?

[JackBeck]

100. Well that was fun while it lasted.

A rather lackluster debut, though.

[LostinVA]

113. Errr... study your OT, 'kay?

See what else are abominations, and how many of them you broke this week. And how many do you and the rest of them obey? Eat pork? Touch a football? Eat veggies and fruits from grafted trees? Suck down any crab or lobster lately? Clothing made of more than one type of fabric? Your wife live in a different tent while she's having her period? Huh?

See how the word "man" translate, 'kay? Oh wow, it means a temple sex slave, doesn't it? Gosh, look at what those commentaries say!

You would think you could come to DU and be free of this filth being spewed, huh?

Enjoy your stay.

[roguevalley]

164. I think I'll have a ham sammie on a football shaped plate with a

silk napkin and put on Birdcage. That should ensure me a ticket straight to hell. Which I believe is a continuous sermon by falwell and co, pews optional.

[racaulk]

124. Gee, wonder how many alerts the moderators received for this guy?

He set a new record, no doubt! :rofl:

[foreigncorrespondent]

150. The old testament...

...also says not to eat shell fish, but that doesn't stop many fundies from eating crab and lobster dinners does it?

[Misunderestimator]

176. LOL!! And "Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall..

be an abomination unto you." Leviticus 11:10

Welcome, er... to DU! :eyes:

Damn... guess you're already gone... at least that's good.

[malaise]

25. Ask Jerry to pray that his holiness

of talk radio can find a Rush of blood to lift his limp parts.

[Maestro]

30. You mean the asswipe

that thinks Tinky-Winky is promoting a gay lifestyle? Really, I would have never thought he would say this. :sarcasm:

[shadowknows69]

35. Somebody check Jerry''s hair

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1514807&mesg_id=1514807>

[rucky]

51. And you almost have to be an asshole to be a televangelist. n/t

[Initech]

60. Falwell is not the guy who should be preaching morality...

Especially since his church is one of the richest in the country. And he doesnt even pay taxes for it. Fucker.

[cinci_democrat]

95. I am constantly amazed at the DU community...

This thread epitomizes the breadth of knowledge of the people who post here. You know who you are you libral heathen sinners. I love when fundies come here flaunting their biblical passages as proof positive that the conservative agenda is sanctioned by God. What I really love is to watch them be totally decimated by the intelligent people who post here, people who live their belief and who have actually studied the bible, not just memorized passages to support their bigotry.
Thanks you guys! I'm always humbled reading DU.

[LynneSin]

101. Some of us are Christian - like me

And I hate these idiots that spew Old Testament obscure laws or worst yet - the words of Paul, who was the first Christian Fundamentalist.

But not once do they ever talk about Jesus or cite his words. And when they talk about the bible, they'll use certain passages but then cut off the ending (like Sodom & Gommorah - they'll mention how sinful these towns were and how God Struck them down, but then they stop short of Lot being seduced by his daughthers after they got him drunk).

Hypocrites

[racaulk]

116. Let me tell you something, LynneSin!

I've got a fever...and the only prescription...is more cowbell!

I LOVE your sig line! That was clearly one of the best SNL skits ever, IMHO, and your sig line makes me laugh whenever I run into one of your posts.

Just thought I would share that. :)

[Dangerously Amused]

139. Oh, poor Lynn. All that studyin' and good livin'

...and you still don't stand a chance at getting into Heaven. Didn't you know? - Only 144,000 people will be saved when the world ends, and all of those people will be male virgins. It says so right there in Revelations 14:3-4.


Well then. Guess I'll see you in Hell.


:hi:

[RaVeN MeaD]

165. Here! Here!....

Well Said Man.

:toast:

[Cleita]

97. That, and what does he know about the legitimate entertainment

industry. I know his carnie bible stage shows are showbiz of a type but not legitimate, mainstream, entertainment.

[supernova]

108. Man, I missed all the fun

Great job you guys! :thumbsup: B-)

[racaulk]

112. Yeah, this thread was lively for a while!

Sorry you missed it! Tearing that guy apart was quite fun! :)

[ComerPerro]

117. Brad and Angelena shouldn't be adopting kids, they should be beating them

accoring to Falwell, I bet

[racaulk]

118. And Brad should be beating Angelina, too. n/t

[LostinVA]

134. Why I absolutely love this thread!

Because it shows how all of we atheists/agnostics/pagans/liberal Christians know a hell of a lot more about Christianity than the so-called Christians who think we're evil, or what have you. Heck, I bet we've all read more Chick tracts than most of them!!!

None of them have studied theology, cracked a commentary, read Hebrew, studied Koine Greek, took a comparative religion class, went to a a service or ceremony of a religion differing from theirs.

WE ROCK!!!

(ex-Catholic who studied theology and Koine Greek for several years, as well as minoring in Comparative Religion AND teaching CCD... even after I knew I liked girls and didn't really believe in the Christ motif any more)

[LynneSin]

142. We have to hang out and drink sometime

The agnostic lesbian and her seperated at birth liberal christian straight sister.

What a pair we make!

[LostinVA]

147. I may be going to Philly in early Fall

I'll let you know!

[Ksec]

138. Falwell is a laughingstock

Hes always talking out his ass and nobody gives him credibility. Other than the flock he has brainwashed. Hes about as Christianlike as Bush is.

[kevinbgoode]

149. Does anyone take Jerry Falwell seriously?

I mean. . .really. . .this loon just needs to talk about his "moral" financial dealings with the "monarch of America" Rev. Moon. . .

[Penndems]

154. Sounds like the Reverend Falwell might be a little jealous

"And for them to become heroes for our kids."

Ellen DeGeneres gave of her time and her salary to help the people of New Orleans. That's EXACTLY the type of behavior I'd want my children to emulate.

(Link: http://ellen.warnerbros.com/showinfo/bck.html)

What did YOU do to help New Orleans, Jerry? I would submit that when you're standing before the Pearly Gates, they'll be open to Ellen before they are to you, Pastor Falwell.







(edited for typo)

[Deja Q]

162. Blame RUPERT MURDOCH. His network is the sleaziest.

:shrug:

Of course, ol' Rupert is a (R) too...

[OxQQme]

167. How about a little history factoid

There was civilization on this globe for FOUR THOUSAND years (approx)after the deluge/flood
and prior to the Yahweh/Moses event.
Historical evidence abounds.
Earthlings, prior to Yahweh, revered a female creator being who actually came down often and mingled with us. Along with many others who had powers unimaginable to our simple minds.
All of the old testament is fabricated re-tellings of old tales.
Sodom and Gomorahh were nuked. (more abounding evidence: all of the vertical faces of building remains and the cliffs that surrounded the plains that the two cities were located in are 'glassified' (melted rock).

[Javaman]

174. He sounds like he's jealous. nt