Time to Roll out the old Rush/Norm Woodruff Gay connex.

[Dr Fate]

I believe that "Jeff Christie" AKA Rush was overseas looking for men, not women.

Below are some little known facts about Rush and his gay mentor- Norm Woodruff. An Oldie but always a goodie....

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030103Letters.html

"Arkush was not entirely complimentary. He criticizes Rush for not crediting Norm Woodruff for pulling the strings that got him into KFBK, which was where he was working when he met Ed McLaughlin. Norm gave Rush that last chance (he had been fired a number of times and fallen into obscurity while working in baseball). Norm taught Rush how to dress for success and presented him to KFBK at a key moment -- upon the firing of Morton Downey. Arkush says Rush fails to give Woodruff his just credit for his involvement in Rush's success, which if it ever does come will have to come posthomolously. Woodruff died in the mid 1980's of AIDS. He was gay."

And please see the detailed stories I dug up on lexis nexis in this old thread of mine, that confirm that Rush Limbaugh had a close mentorship with a Gay man:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2107449&mesg_id=2108264

Los Angeles Times, May 19, 1985


Copyright 1985 The Times Mirror Company; Los Angeles Times

All Rights Reserved
Los Angeles Times

May 19, 1985, Sunday, Home Edition

SECTION: View; Part 6; Page 18; Column 1; View Desk

LENGTH: 45 words

HEADLINE: AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE

BODY:
Thank you for the article by Jim Kinsella on fear (of AIDS) for gay men ("Fear Stalks Men of the Gay Community," May 8): An excellent piece touching on some emotional issues that many in San Francisco and elsewhere are having to face.

NORM WOODRUFF

San Francisco

Norm Woodruff, a media consultant to KMBZ radio in Sacramento, who helped save Limbaugh's radio career after numerous disheartening failures. Woodruff left Limbaugh's radio style and content alone, as no previous station had been willing to do, despite Limbaugh's obsession with gay bashing (for a time he called AIDS "the Rock Hudson disease"). Woodruff was the first, that is, to let Rush be Rush. Limbaugh in his book credits everyone else who helped him, but not Woodruff, who was gay and died of AIDS in the mid-1980s.

[iconoclastNYC]

1. Guilt by association?

Is anyone who's ever worked for a gay man gay?

I'd love someone to go snooping around Dominican Republicn tho.

Daran Kagan seems like a beard to me.

[Dr Fate]

2. No- you have to add in all the other evidence:

Such as his over-done "tough guy" act, the fact that he has had 3 childless (sexless?) marriges, the fact that he was once treated for anal warts in the 1970's (Records confirm that this was also used to keep him out of vietnam as well)

We also have to consider Rush's secrecy concering Mr. Woodruff- he never seems to talk about the man who started his career- what is he hiding?

[Kelvin Mace]

20. A pilodial cyst is NOT an anal wart

Now we are reaching.

Rush may certainly be a closet case, but let's not start altering evidence folks.

[Dr Fate]

24. His long-time family doctor made that prognosis.

A long-time family friend too, no less. It was used tokeep himout of vietnam too.

Fact is, Rush has also claimed that he got out of Vietnam for a football related "knee injury"

Anal Cyst? Anal Wart? "Manly-man, tough guy Foot-ball injury?" Which was it, Mr. Christie?

I would prefer to hear Rush, not Democrats exaplain away all of these inconsistent excuses away by making these distinctions.

[RangerSmith]

3. You'll have no trouble

getting supporters for your theory here.

Might as well go for the young children angle as well. It's well liked, too.

[Dr Fate]

4. Can you refute any of the facts I posted?

I cannot confirm that Rush likes young boys- only that he had a close relationship with a gay man. A gay man who "taught him how to dress" in fact.

That and the fact that Rush contracted anal warts in the 1970's- which was a common medical problem for sexually active gay men in that era.

How about the "theory" of his 3 childless (sexless?) marriages? Mr. Family values" has no kids- whats up with that?

Can you refute the facts in th OP or not?

[RangerSmith]

5. I honestly couldn't care any less if it were true.

Truth be told, I look at all the talking head pundits the same regardless of party. I don't like any of them.

[Dr Fate]

6. So in other words, you cant refute any of my facts- thanks for playing.

And I disagree with you- I like Democratic talking head pundits- all two of them.

[RangerSmith]

7. Not a problem, carry on...

Looks like you have some Swift Boating you need to get back to.

[Dr Fate]

8. Wrong- swiftboating invloves lies & made up stuff. My post is factual.

Unless you can refute it, that is.

Sorry, Charlie- Swiftboating involves lying & outright fabrication.

Unlike that crap the GOP/media made up about Kerry-Norm Woodruff and Rush's failed marriges & medical records are factual.

You may disagree with my conclusions, but my facts are solid.

[BR_Parkway]

9. Add in the arrest for Lewd Conduct in Pittsburg when he was still

going by Jeff Christie and you really start to think he might be one of those self loathing Repugs that bashes in public for profit, and does the exact opposite when he thinks no one will know

sorry, forgot the link:
http://pssht.com/biography/rush_limbaugh.html

[Dr Fate]

11. In fairness, I have never been able to confirm that "true rumor"

But the facts alone are telling, no?

[npincus]

10. boy, do we need (real) pics of R*sh 'in action'...

can't some rich Lefty hire a private eye to tail him? What about Parco P.I.?

[Dr Fate]

12. I would settle for a photo of Norm Woodruff- or one of them together.

I've tried but I cant find anything.

[bryant69]

13. This is a childish accusation even if proven beyond reasonable doubt

But I'm sure it warms the cockles of some peoples hearts.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Dr Fate]

14. I think his fans as well as enemies would find the info interesting.

Factual info, BTW.

[bryant69]

15. Still childish. But if you feel good about yourself that's what matters.

And much of your evidence is circumstantial.

[Dr Fate]

16. I appreciate your zeal in defending "Jeff Christie"- but...

None of my evidence is in doubt- Norm Woodruff existed. Rush's medical records exist. Rush's three failed, childless marriges is a fact.

My evidence is factual. You may be uncomfortable with my conclusion- so be it.

[bryant69]

36. I'm not uncomfortable with your conclusion. I just think it's a childish

and unproven assault. But you have every right to do it if you want to.

[dsc]

17. it also can be explained by any of the following

Rush might be sterile. He may have ED and only recently decided to try viagra. There is a whole show on TV where gay men teach straight ones how to dress. Heck I picked out clothes for one of my high school friends first job interviews (and this was before he knew I was gay). He got the job. I chose his clothes for the next few ones he went for. He got all those jobs too. I haven't seen him for several years but last I checked he was still married to a woman.

[Dr Fate]

18. Then let Rush explain away Norm Woodruff to his fans in those terms.

I for one, would love to hear Rush have to explain to his audience that he owes his gay-bashing career to a Gay man.

[dsc]

19. He owes part of his career to him

Rush is talented and if he weren't Mr. Woodruff wouldn't have been any help at all. I hate admitting Rush is talented but if you listen to any of his local imitators it becomes quite apparent that he is talented. I would presume he would spin it by saying he didn't know the man was gay before he got the interview but only later.

[Dr Fate]

21. Why defend him? Let him make up that story himself.

This is one reason why we lose elections- even when we have the facts, we craft "benefit of the doubt" arguements for our opponents that are often better than the the ones we come up with for ourselves!!!

Even with your excuse, Rush KNOWS now, does he not? Then he needs to come clean.

[alcibiades_mystery]

22. So now you don't want people to dispute you either?

Jesus, what a thread. Step 1, post a bunch of stuff. Step 2, dare people to dispute it. Step 3, whine that "we" create counterarguments when people actually do dispute it. You need to find an empty room where you can bellow out your arguments without all those pesky others around to ruin your self-congratulatory hoo-ah.

[Dr Fate]

26. My conclusion is in dispute, but not the facts.

If you want to give Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives the benefit of the doubt- go ahead- see how far it gets you.

[dsc]

23. because one of the principle reasons gay teachers like me

have to remain in the closet is the very first argument of your OP. Gay mentors begat gay mentees becomes gay teachers begat gay students. And that argument is used, very well, to justify not granting gay teachers the same non discrimination protection that black and women teachers have. I may have finally found a district where I can be out at least to other employees (I start there in August) but even so I still won't be officially protected. This whole line of arguement is toxic to gay rights especially rights which touch upon children.

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. It is the gay reproduction argument to be sure

And yes, it is toxic to gay rights in this toxic culture. At the same time, there IS, in fact, reproduction of gay culture, but it is nowhere near as direct as the argument you quite rightly identify claims it to be.

[Dr Fate]

28. No- it is the grown Rush Limbaugh had sex with a grown gay man argument.

Rush was not a child when this allegedly happened, he was a grown man.

[Dr Fate]

27. No- if Rush is indeed a practicing hetro, then this helps your argument.

I would love to hear the gay-bashing Rush come clean and explain that he had a gay mentor who was a big help to his career.

But, so long as we make excuses for him and give him the benefit of the doubt, he can continue his hypocritical gay-bashing, unabashed.

Besides- Rush was a GROWN man when he was hanging out with Norm Woodruff- he was a career mentor- not a teacher.

[dsc]

29. If grown men are powerless to resist the power of gay mentors

then what possible hope would our children have? If you can't see how directly those arguements parallel then you are being willfully blind.

[Dr Fate]

30. I'm assuming Rush-a grown man- was willing & already Gay.

The "gay reproduction" argument was never part of this for me.

As I said- our arguments to defend GOP hypocrisy is often as strong or stronger than our own argument sfor ourselves- one reason why we keep losing.

Let Rush & conservatives defend this hypocrisy on the basis that this story promotes the concept of gay reproduction.

[dsc]

31. Then what possible relevence would a gay mentor be?

If your arguement isn't that the gay mentor caused him to be gay, just what is your arguement. That gay people are more likely to find gay mentors? Sorry to burst your bubble on that one, but there isn't a gay mafia out there offering hands up to gays.

[Dr Fate]

32. What relevance does a close relationship with a gay man have?

Especially when one person in that relationship is a constant gay basher & defender of family values?

I'll let the readers of this thread figure out the significance that one out on their own.

Norm was in fact his career mentor- I wont fudge the facts on Rush's behalf and leave out this fact.

[dsc]

33. That makes Rush an unprincipled hypocrite not gay

You stated here and several times in the past that this is proof of his being gay not insufficiently family value oriented which is a huge difference.

[Dr Fate]

34. It DOES make him a hypocrite- thank you for not defending him for once.

Upon further investigation & digging, it may also make him a gay hypocrite.

My instinct tells me that he is hiding many aspects of his private life-(I know- how unfair of me to assume that after all we have found out)-possibly including his sexuality.

[dsc]

35. Sorry but that isn't what you have been saying and you well know it

We have repeatedly gone back and forth on this issue and every single time I make clear what my objection is, and if you dare say that isn't the case I will go hunting and post verbatim transcripts if need be. This thread is slightly different in that you have brought up anal warts but you have repeatedly stated that Rush is gay, not hypocritical, but gay for the following reasons.

1) the Norm Woodruff connection
2) the Jeff Christie connection
3) several childless marriages

You admit here that you have no difinitive proof of the Jeff Christie connection, you have been shown not to have it on the anal warts thing, which leaves the Norm Woodruff connection and childless marriages. In short, you have repeatedly stated that Rush is gay since he had a gay mentor. That, and only that, is what I have repeatedly argued with you about. Incidently, it should be noted that McGreevey, who actually is a gay married man, did have a child.

[Dr Fate]

37. I am indeed trying to say Rush is hypocrite AND gay.

The fact that he is being hypocritical has been stated by me on numerous occasions in the past- my assertion that he is probably a closeted gay man is also on record.

I know Gay men who have children too- I also know Gay men and women who have "beards" and no children. Perhaps Rush is one of the latter.

Also- where did I say that there was never a Jeff Christie?- that indeed was the on-air alias he used while working under Norm Woodruff. Google it yourself.

[LeftCoast]

38. Locking

The moderators consider posts discussing baseless allegations of Rush Limbaugh's sexuality to be homophobic. We are not defending the pill-popping blowhard.