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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:16 PM
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Should DU have the N-word in post titles?
I find it odd that the mods have let the post I'm referring to slip by. Last fall, one of my responses to a post was deleted because the term "bitch" was in the title: I was quoting someone else, but it was deleted and I accepted that.

Should we have the same response for other such slurs?
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akushuki Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:20 PM
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1. I'm new here but
I think that no single word should be a basis for deletion of posts. Hate speech yes, attacks on groups or people yes, but not just 'naughty' words. I mean, fuck, really.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:25 PM
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3. Welcome to DU akushuki!!!!!
:hi:...:D
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akushuki Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:28 PM
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7. Thanks
I've been lurking for 3 years now and have finally decided to start posting.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:21 PM
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2. If it's in a certain context, no
If it's to make a point in a non-hateful way, then I don't think it should be censored.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:26 PM
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4. Personally, I find the "N" word far more offensive than bitch...
probably because I've been called a bitch so many times as to become desensetized to it...but as long as a word is in a quotation from another source, not used prejoratively in a reply or OP, I think anything is fair game
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:26 PM
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5. How is "N-word" any better?
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 11:30 PM by Blue-Jay
Everyone still knows what you mean. The thread title that you're talking about is a direct quote from rapper and well-known liberal Chuck D. I bet Chuck would find this follow-up amusing.

It's all about context.

Additionally, what's the difference in having the word in a thread title as opposed to the message itself? Placement?
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:29 PM
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8. Having the word in your title means it gets read over and over, not
just once like it would in the body of a post.

I'm not sure what the policy should be, but I know that some words in titles are sure to get one deleted.

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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:27 PM
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6. Instead of directing you to the DU Rules, I'll cut-and-paste them for you
I debated with myself long and hard about whether to include the uncensored word in the title. I have no regrets. But read this for yourself:

When discussing race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, or other highly-sensitive personal issues, please exercise the appropriate level of sensitivity toward others and take extra care to clearly express your point of view.

Do not post messages that are bigoted against (or grossly insensitive toward) any person or group of people based on their race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, lack of religion, disability, physical characteristics, or region of residence.

While specific words are not automatically forbidden, members should avoid using racist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise bigoted terminology. This includes gender-specific terms such as "cunt," "whore," "slut," "skank," or "pussy," and terms with homophobic derivation, such as "cocksucker," which are often inflammatory and inappropriate. A common exception that is permitted is the use of words like "whore" or "prostitute" in cases where public figures or the media do favors. (For example: "Fox News is whoring for the GOP again" or "Tom DeLay is a prostitute for corporate interests.")

Special note with regard to the word "bitch": The word "bitch" has been the source of a great deal of controversy on this website, because some of our members consider it to be a bigoted slur against all women, while others do not consider it bigoted. For a while we actively deleted posts which included this word, in an effort to keep the peace. This effort helped to keep discussions on track, but it resulted in many deleted posts that were otherwise perfectly fine as well as many confused people. Futhermore, the moderators themselves were ambivalent about removing the word. For this reason, we no longer automatically remove the word "bitch." However, we strongly urge members to voluntarily avoid using the word if they wish to keep their own discussions from going off-topic, and we reserve the right to take disciplinary action if we think someone is deliberately using the word in an effort to disrupt or cause trouble.

With regard to religion (or the lack thereof), Democratic Underground is a diverse community which includes Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, and others. All are welcome here. For this reason, we expect members to make an extra effort to be sensitive to different religious beliefs, and to show respect to members who hold different religious beliefs. Members are welcome to discuss whether they agree or disagree with particular religious beliefs, but they are expected to do so in a relatively sensitive and respectful manner. As a general rule, discussions about ideas are usually permitted, but broad-brush bigoted statements about groups of people — either religious or non-religious — are not. If you are easily offended by discussions about religious beliefs, or if you take pleasure from offending or ridiculing people with different beliefs, or if you consider progressive people with different beliefs to be your enemy or your inferior, do not participate in religious discussions on Democratic Underground.

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Please note that sweeping statements about entire groups of fellow progressives are not categorically forbidden (except in the case of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, lack of religion, disability, physical characteristics, or region of residence, as mentioned above). However, they are often inflammatory and counterproductive and the moderators have broad discretion to remove such posts in the interests of keeping the peace on the message board.

Have a thick skin. Please be aware that just because you consider a post to be offensive does not mean that it is against the rules or bigoted. As a general rule of thumb, posts about ideas are generally okay, but posts about groups of people are often inappropriate.


Now, after all that, have you checked out those links to Greg Palast that I provided? The possible demise of the Voting Rights Act is a very, very serious matter. Educate yourself.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:34 PM
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10. I think your judgement call is debatable.
And the tone of the last few sentences of your post affects your credibility.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:43 PM
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12. You're not the only one who feels that way
But I still feel that the destruction of the Voting Rights Act is a far more obscene act than using the N-word in a context that was not meant to insult anyone on DU, but instead to shock everyone with the potential reality of the political turmoil on Capitol Hill.

Yes, it's a machine. Yes, it is targeting African-Americans. No, it will not go away because we ask it to, pretty please, with sugar on top. We're gonna have to get harsh if they actually try to deny our fellow Americans their right to vote.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:34 PM
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9. Why should only ONE word be so sacrosanct that it may only be
referred to as the "'X'-word," rather than in its entirety?

Before you jump all over me, let me state that I will defer ENTIRELY to black DUers on this issue. It's a word that only THEY are entitled to make judgement upon.

My opinion of its applicability as offensive (or not), has no validity whatsoever, because I'm not black (even though Mrs R is half-African). It is not for non-African people to make any judgement on the use of that word, which is perhaps the single most loaded word in the Enclish language.

I've never spoken that word, and intend to never do so.

Redstone
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akushuki Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:39 PM
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11. I don't think so
giving the judgment of a word to only one segment of DU is a rather bad idea. I understand people's feelings on this issue and I understand its divisive, but should only white country folk be able to judge the appropriateness of the words 'hillbilly' or 'hick'? We all need to work through our problems together and not in groups that further separate us.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:47 PM
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13. I'm against arbitrary rules.
So yes, Du should have the n-word in post titles. ;)

It totally depends on the context.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:49 PM
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14. The Word Is Nigger. It Is An Offensive Term. Racist.
There is no doubt of that. However this nonsense that has developed where everyone in American started calling the word nigger, "The N-Word" is ridiculous IMO. As noted above by Redstone the notion of making some words so forbidden that it can only be spoken of in code is just nuts.

Let's all say it together (in a non-directed and non-hate filled manner), "nigger".

Fuck all who use it as an insult and slur. However, let's not be children about a word. We should be able to discuss the usage of the word without creating a code that we all read in our minds as "nigger" anyway. We all know what we are talking about. Just talk about it.

I notice we are not talking about the use ot the B-word getting posts deleted. That word is properly spelled out as B-I-T-C-H.

Not in any way meant as an attack on the OP. It is a perfectly reasonable question. Just general commentary on something that bothers me is all.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:49 PM
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15. Locking
Please feel free to contact the administrators with these types of questions. Posting them to GD, however, is against the rules.
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