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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 04:58 PM
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What's going on with all this stolen data? First the laptop,...
then the Department of Agriculture and Now it's some hacker who ripped off 26,000 names. What the hell is going on here? The records of our military personnel and other data are turning up compromised in unheard of numbers and yet, no one has a ficken clue as to why or what?


The Navy has begun a criminal investigation after Social Security numbers and other personal data for 28,000 sailors and family members were found on a civilian Web site. The Navy said Friday the information was in five documents and included people's names, birth dates and Social Security numbers. Navy spokesman Lt. Justin Cole would not identify the Web site or its owner, but said the information had been removed. He would not provide any details about how the information ended up on the site.

The breach regarding the Navy comes amid a rash of government computer data thefts, including one at the Agriculture Department earlier this week in which a hacker may have obtained names, Social Security numbers and photos of 26,000 Washington-area employees and contractors.

As many as 26.5 million veterans and current military troops may have been affected by the theft of a laptop computer containing their Social Security numbers and birth dates. The computer was taken from the home of a Veterans Affairs Department employee in early May, and officials waited nearly three weeks before notifying veterans on May 22 of the theft.

As many as a half dozen federal agencies have been affected by computer data losses in recent months.


Does anyone else get the feeling that something is very wrong with this picture? This information is not easy to come by and hacking into the government's computer systems is not really as easy as the movies make it out to be. Yes, it can be done but why on earth would they bother stealing this information? Taking the data for identity theft is a possibility; but once the data's been stolen, banks and other financial institutions have programs to safeguard customers. They could inoculate these people against identity theft quite easily and who ever has enough brains to steal that data definitely knows that he or she can't really use it for anything. So what gives?

What possible use could this data serve?....

Unless of course it's not the data that the thieves were after. Maybe it's the response to the theft that they're after. Several possibilities along that train of thought are:

1) A Company that sells a service to protect people's data is trying to increase it's customer base.

2) Osama Bin Laden is collecting data on the location of retired military personnel.

3) This could be another Rovian trick to challenge voters. The GOP could conceivably challenge voter registrations based on receipt of the letters from the government informing the people that their data's been compromised.

4) A new law could be offered forcing a national ID card or possibly even those crazy-assed bio-chips I've heard about.


Hell, I don't know but this seems very odd. In the first theft, the 26 million veterans files, "They" said it was possibly just a break-in and the thieves probably didn't know what they got. Now with all these other thefts and "accidental fuck-up's", that hardly seems likely. Someone out there is actively pursuing this information and they definitely want to use it somehow but I just can't figure out how. What do you do with all this information? What effects does exposing this data create? What is going to be the reaction by those whose info was stolen? There is no way this could all be just a coincidence so what gives? Any thoughts?

Here's a link to an article talking about the thefts.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060624/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/navy_data;_ylt=AjI5_DVr6lEYuD7oaci6rJUjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

Read a little about this and study on it for a while and see what you can come up with. Post what ever idea comes into your mind and I'm gonna ask that instead of ridiculing someone's thoughts, just don't respond to them if you think they're stupid or trollish. I have absolutely no idea what is going on and this post is all pure conjecture so please feel free to explore the possibilities.

If you would, just think about these questions: What would you do with this data? How would you use it's theft to manipulate the general public or a select group of people? What is the likelihood that these thefts and blunders are mere coincidence? If not coincidence, who has the power to engineer the theft of this information?



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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:09 PM
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1. choicepoint
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:20 PM
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2. Coincidence? Unlikely in my opinion. I've had several different
ideas as to why all this data is being 'stolen'.

First-It's a great way to screw up any government pensions (all) these people would have coming. Oops, sorry, you can't prove that you have anything coming.

Second-It mucks up everyone's future Social Security.

Third-Good excuse to really step up the 'war on terror' by making it seem that 'terrorists' are doing the identity theft. We will all be open to government scrutiny and subject to sweeping raids and one way trips to Gitmo.

Fourth-I agree that this will push the 'need' for national id's.

Fifth-We be screwed no matter what comes of this.
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 05:31 PM
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3. I definitely agree with Number 5.
I know there is something foul afoot here.
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akushuki Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:48 PM
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9. I'd be more likely to say ...
that its an evil combination of all of those reasons. Not just 5.
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 09:04 PM
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14. Welcome to DU akushuki!
:hi:
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 08:58 PM
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12. Yeah, number 5 was a pretty easy conclusion. n/t
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:15 PM
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5. I'm inclined to think it is probably some rovian trick concerning the next
elections :shrug:
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 09:02 PM
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13. You're probably right.... I just can't imagine how much more
messed up the election process could get.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:14 PM
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16. I expect LOTS of challenges to voters in key DEM leaning districts
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 11:17 PM by havocmom
There was a news report about GOP sending mail marked "DO NOT FORWARD" to homes of troops who are deployed in Iraq, with home addresses in certain key districts. When the mail came back undelivered, GOP challenged troops absentee ballots on grounds they weren't at that address to get their mail!

Story came out a couple days before Cheney predicted GOP would take the election this Nov.

Maybe it's a bit of tin foil poison, but I am thinking lots of people in predominately DEM districts will have their right to vote wrenched from them this fall.

edited to add link to Palast on African American troops having ballots challenged
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:06 PM
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4. Psychological
It makes everyone feel vulnerable and that they have no privacy.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:24 PM
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6. My alarm went off when I read number 4.
So now there's proof that our data is "unsafe." Next they'll say we need to Combat Identity Theft with a national ID card, biometrics, Whatever It Takes.

That's my conjecture, though I don't doubt there's something else I haven't thought of.

Anyway, this theft (or "theft") is likely just Act I in whatever scheme is unfolding. Something just doesn't smell right, I agree with you there.
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:26 PM
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7. GOP Voter Vault Shipped Overseas
When the Republican Party clinched close gubernatorial races in Mississippi and Kentucky in 2003, it relied heavily on its Voter Vault database to get people to the voting booths. Though party officials are tight-lipped about what's inside the Vault, they've acknowledged it contains records on an estimated 168 million voters.

PC World has recently learned that the major development work on the Voter Vault was done in India. Though the RNC began work on a national database of voters in the mid-1990s, the Voter Vault wasn't ready to be put into the field until the 2002 elections. Two years prior to the 2002 elections, the RNC hired Advanced Custom Software (ACS) of Seattle to build a Web-based database to help campaign workers target likely Republican voters. According to information posted on Elance.com, an online directory of outsourcing firms, ACS subcontracted development of the database to Compulink Systems of Maharashtra, India.

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,117930,00.asp
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:44 PM
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8. Whoever 'they" are, I'll bet they're paying big bucks for this info.
Check out this link to see just how much stolen data we're talking about here-88,366,461:

http://www.privacyrights.org/ar/ChronDataBreaches.htm

:wow:

While it may be being done to benefit Choicepoint OR so the Thugs can steal another election....

OR

It could also be a way for TPTB to destroy Social Security. Take away our S.S. numbers because the system is "broken" and then none of us will be able to claim our pensions or medical benefits! I wouldn't put anything past these criminals! :grr:

Coincidentally (except there are NO coincidences) I just posted on this thread which discusses the very same subject:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2353537
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:50 PM
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10. It's how they plan on stealing the upcoming election
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 07:52 PM
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11. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.
I've been suspicious of this stuff from the get-go. Can't tell me there's not some organized plan behind this.
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Wrinkle_In_Time Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:18 PM
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15. I had the same reaction as you two weeks ago.
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 10:21 PM by Wrinkle_In_Time
I made this post about it, linking to an earlier post by robbiem. There is a high incidence of identity/information theft.

My suspicion is that all of this data will be used to "gate" people in the upcoming election. I have no evidence for this and the fact that I am reading the chapter in Greg Palast's book "Armed Madhouse" that discusses Choicepoint, data collection and election fraud is probably an influence.

EDIT: Link to an interview with Greg Palast on "Armed Madhouse"
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