A strange thing I just noticed on MSNBC

[Freedom_from_Chains]

They are talking about the so-called terrorist ring that was arrested this morning and I notice that two of them have the last name of Augustine, and one has the last name of Abraham. Now I don't know that it really means anything but it did impress me as those being Christian names more than Muslim names.

I just found it kind of odd.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

1. cause they aren't Muslims!

They were studying the Bible.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

2. Where did you get that info at? n/t

[karlrschneider]

3. Some of their relatives have said so.

Have been on the M$M all morning.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

5. Thanks, I have the TV on but I am also trying to work so I don't hear

everything. This might get interesting.

[VolcanoJen]

21. Watch CNN... relatives of one of the suspects were holding...

... the suspect's bible.

They're repeating the video a lot.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

22. Just switched. Thanks. n/t

[VolcanoJen]

26. Mom says her son is "a church-going Catholic."

CNN just showed the video of one of the suspect's families again.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

27. Mom says son is a church going Catholic

But I also noticed that CNN is attaching an aka to him of "Brother Sunni."

This just gets stranger by the minute.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

4. from interviews I heard too. Christian, not muslim. and homegrown.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

6. Thanks n/t

[roguevalley]

25. they live a style of life espoused by the warriors of Saul and David.

one person told about them being peaceful.

[JanusAscending]

23. I for one, saw them hold up a red Bible on CNN

when they were interviewing some family members. The mother of one of the suspects in fact, dropped to her knees and raised her hands to heaven an swore that her son did not believe in killing people. Personally, I think these are trumped up charges, at least against some of the suspects. Something just isn't right in my gut about this. Isn't it sad...when we as Americans begin to have more fear and mistrust of our Govt., than we do of "terrorists"???? This could be happening to any of us, now that "big brother" is reading our emails, and listening to our phone conversations, checking into our Med. records and bank accounts!!!! GET READY FOLKS< it's going to get a lot worse.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

24. You're dead on the money and yes it is sad. n/t

[havocmom]

7. Is al Qaida teaming up with Opus Dei?

And wasn't there something about a Masonic Lodge too?

Guess we gotta fear everybody but Falwell supporters? Well, damn, they was right all along? They ARE the way! And that Reed feller, was it God gave him that 5 Million bucks?

:rofl:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

10. LOL!!!!! There's just all kinds of ways to go here. n/t

[jobycom]

8. Abraham is a prophet in Islam, too.

Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael, from two wives, Sarah and Hagar. Jews and Christians believe God made a covenant with Abraham that travled through Isaac, and Muslims believe the covenant was with Abraham and flowed through Ishmael. When Christians in the Middle Ages first encountered Islam they thought it was just a "heretical" form of Christianity, and called its followers either "Ishmaelites" or "Hagarites."

[Freedom_from_Chains]

11. Yeah I know but you still don't see many Muslims that have the

name of Abraham. And Augustine is definitely not Muslim, and none of the other names of those arrested had a Muslim ring to it.

[jobycom]

12. Ah, I see what you meant. nt

[Freedom_from_Chains]

13. Yeah, like I said I don't really know if it means anything but

it just struck me as odd. Others are posting the relatives claim they studied the bible.

[Jersey Devil]

16. Yes, but it would be "Ibrahim" if Arabic

x

[Freedom_from_Chains]

20. That's true, thanks for pointing that out. n/t

[Karmakaze]

30. Not just that - Abraham is the root of all three religions

That is why they are called "Abrahamic Religions".

In the study of comparative religion, an Abrahamic religion is any of those religions deriving from a common ancient Semitic tradition and traced by their adherents to Abraham ("Father/Leader of many" Hebrew אַבְרָהָם Arabic ابراهيم), a patriarch whose life is narrated in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament, and as a prophet in the Qur'an and also called a prophet in Genesis 20:7. This forms a large group of largely monotheistic religions, generally held to include Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and the Bahá'í Faith, and comprises over half of the world's religious adherents. Many of these adherents will reject this grouping of their faiths on the grounds that they contain inherently and fundamentally incompatible ideas concerning Abraham and concerning God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

[Skidmore]

9. Abraham (Ibrahim) is also a prophet in Islam.

[Alexodin]

14. While Abraham is also a Muslim name MSNBC said

they are all Wahabist Muslims. I'm not sure you can be from Haiti and be a Wahabist but I really don't know. Isn't it a tribal thing? This looks like an attempt to demonize all black muslims in this country.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

18. It at the very least is kind of strange

I also just heard Gonzales say that allegedly these guys have said, "Kill all the devils we can." Muslims usually reference Satan, not the devil.

[ShortnFiery]

15. The Message from Herrs * and Gonzales IS

THERE IS NO PRIVACY! WHAT CIVIL LIBERTIES?!?

* Every USA Citizen who's NOT in the Investor Classes AND Republican are advised that OUR GOVERNMENT WILL SPY ON EVERY DAMN ASPECT OF OUR LIVES! :SCARED:

[azurnoir]

17. There's a

Baptiste in there too. All in all the names almost sound Haitian

[Freedom_from_Chains]

19. Would Abraham and Augustine be a Haitian used name?

I thought Batista had a cuban ring to it.

[peacetalksforall]

28. Warning - with anger at our government - since I don't believe anything

anymore - I want to ask you if they were all Black-Americans or Black-Aliens? If yes or mixed, are they saying that there is a possibility that some are of Cuban descent or Haitian descent? If yes, that means that they didn't arrest only plain-old natural born Black-Americans this time?

I said I am angry at the government.

So I'm going to say - is there anything in the make-up that would make CNN say that the government is claiming (last evening) that there is no 'group' of people targeted, i.e. they are saying that those arrested were not profiled?

I think I've come to a pre-conclusion. We are probably going to find out that those arrested are pawns in an election and a jumppump-the-poll rating maneuver. They are probably going to be in jail until December.

Since I don't believe anything, I can't assume guilt when it comes to a minority - a potentially sacrificial minority.

Let's see the evidence from their long (their words) investigation of these men.

It ain't wonderful to have NO faith in our WH and all their arms.

How come women are never terrorists in this country?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

29. Well like I was saying on another thread.

In case you were starting to have doubts as to how well the war on terra was protecting the homeland, this comes at a good time to reaffirm your faith. And, if you happened to be a politician who was suffering from low poll numbers, this might be good news for you.

Perhaps this is what the Faith Based Initiative is about.

[bobbieinok]

36. I think Robertson believes feminists are terrorists---Rush's 'femnazis'

and Robertson's 1992 statement

'Among his more controversial statements, Robertson has described feminism as a "socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians" ("Equal Rights Initiative in Iowa Attacked", Washington Post, 23 August 1992).'

[Freedom_from_Chains]

40. How is it anyone could listen to this man

Let alone take him seriously. There just has to be something wrong with our educational system.

[Igel]

31. One report was that they belonged to a group

that hybridized Christianity and Islam.

Didn't know quite what to make of that at the time.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

32. Well, having read both the bible and the koran

that would be a little hard to reconcile. But like I said earlier, this thing just gets stranger and stranger.

[Igel]

33. That's the truth. n/t

[havocmom]

35. Don't the muslims treat the Bible as a shared history of Semitic people?

Same ancestors and all. Don't they revere Jesus as a prophet and wise teacher?

I could understand religious scholars studying both texts. Doesn't the Koran take off where the other stops in a time line?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

37. The old testament, not the new. Although I think they see Jesus

as a prophet.

[havocmom]

38. Dats what I tot

Wonder if ALL students of religion and history are suspect now. Or maybe ALL people who can read.

[malaise]

34. From I heard this plot my only question

remains what do they not want you to hear about this weekend. Focus people - they have all of us caught up in this circus.

[Supersedeas]

39. Don't these folks combine Islamic and Christian thought--Sons of David or

some such.