cnn says they're catholic, msnbc says they're black muslims

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

i was flipping back and forth at 12 noon.

something smells. mueller just happens to be giving a speech in cleveland today about "home grown "

terrorism.

edit: and cnn says they are "mores", msnbc says they're "moors."

[johnnie]

1. Maybe they are Muslims

But hold Bingo games every Friday :shrug:

[TAPat]

2. "Mores"?

Certainly not of "The Have" variety! :rofl:

[greyl]

4. Moops! nt

[obreaslan]

16. Stop that! LOL! I just spit iced tea all over my desk....

:evilgrin:

[smokey nj]

18. .......

:rofl:

[VolcanoJen]

3. Family members are on CNN now, showing a Bible.

They say that one of the suspects read the Bible quite constantly. One of them is saying he was a peaceful, humble man.

He says that the suspect is misunderstood and feared... this is pretty interesting stuff...

Now they're saying the suspect is poor, has no money to fund any kind of terror attack, and has essentially been framed...

[xchrom]

5. you mean they're not laying down and accepting

the charges meekly?

how dare they!

[greyl]

6. "Black Muslims"? Why the hell is it important to say they're black? nt

[Fleshdancer]

7. that's the first thing I said when I saw the news coverage

:crazy:

[VolcanoJen]

8. I've been wondering this all morning

And CNN has a cutesy term for them: Home Grown Terrorists! They're lovin' their new catchphrase so much that I think I've heard it 50 times in the last hour.

[halobeam]

9. really. I think we should refer to everyone by their race.

When we are able to change our user names here, maybe I'll change it to A White halobeam.

Stupid idiots.

[Igel]

11. It's been unclear to me from the beginning if they

are "black Muslims" or "Black Muslims".

One's describing the skin color of some Muslims; the other's saying what Muslim sect they belong to.

It doesn't help in the least that a couple of sources routinely capitalize 'black' when referring to race (or that we capitalize the first word of sentences).

[VolcanoJen]

14. Is "Black Muslims" another name for "Nation of Islam"?

Is that legitimate?

[greyl]

20. Maybe that's where they're coming from,

but I think it's still illegitimate to make a point of calling them "black" Muslims.
If there's evidence that they're members of the Nation of Islam, that should be said instead.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

38. The Nation of Islam is not all of the Black Muslim movement.

There's also the American Muslim Mission and various other groups with roots in Wali Farad's teachings.

[Igel]

43. I agree.

But I don't understand all the differences in the various American Muslim sects. Have enough figuring out the more traditional ones.

The other possible reason for saying they're black is to counter the usual conclusion that since they're Muslims, they're Arabs. A sop to CAIR and Arab groups.

But that just makes what they're saying even more of a muddle.

Old proverb: Many a little makes a mickle (or 'muckle'; sometimes garbled into 'Many a mickle makes a muckle'). Well, in this instance many a little makes a muddle.

[jwirr]

24. Actually it is important because they have their own religion and

are only vaguely associated with the Islamic world in the middle east. I think this whole thing is a bunch of "rover tales" to get voters afraid of the black population in our own country before the election. No one is falling for the rest of the fear mongering.

[greyl]

31. Really? Tell me a little about it, please. nt

[jwirr]

44. I am no expert on it but Malcolm X and Ali and various

other well known people are members. Both of these men visited in the middle east years ago.

[greyl]

45. Thanks, I'll check it out. :) nt

[LibDemAlways]

26. If suspected terrorists are Muslim and black

that's a 2-fer as far as the Bush Crime Family is concerned.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

36. "Black Muslims" is the name...

...of a religious movement in the US. Yes, the Nation of Islam is a part of it. No, it is not the whole thing. It is not in any way a racist term. It is, in fact, what they call themselves.

[greyl]

39. Huh, thanks for the info. :) nt

[foo_bar]

40. I'm guessing they meant "Nation of Islam"

Not A-Muslim-Who-Happens-To-Be-Black (from say Somalia):

Some use the phrase to describe any person who is both Black and a Muslim, but Muslims are unlikely to do the same. Within Islam, race-based distinctions are supposed to be irrelevant. This is because Islam teaches equality, whereas unlike traditional Islam, the Nation of Islam preaches the divinity of Black people. This group's ambiguous relationship with traditional Islam necessitates distinguishing phraseology.

For example, Black Muslims is a phrase often used in the United States of America to denote members of Louis Farrakhan's separatist Black-nationalist movement, the Nation of Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Muslim

To me, the idea of "black" and "white" suggests the entire genome can be sorted into albino and melanistic (which is binary thinking to say the least). There isn't a non-racist synonym for "a black person" except "a person", as Malcolm came to discover:

Malcolm X began traveling through Africa and saw how orthodox Islam was practiced. But it was not until he made a pilgrimage to Mecca three months later in 1964 that Malcolm X’s worldview -- and his belief in Islam -- changed dramatically. He described the hajj’s impact in a letter to a friend, written while he was in Mecca:

“There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and nonwhite.”

http://mediaguidetoislam.sfsu.edu/intheus/05e_muslims.htm

[Benhurst]

42. Oh, it's very important. Otherwise we might think they were

Pink Muslims.

[Marr]

10. There are still Moores? I guess this is a "crusade" after all.

Or is "Moore" a simple way of explaining how very very black they are?

[Igel]

12. That would be Reconquista, not a Crusade.

The vocabulary used in this story just keeps getting more and more tortured.

[kittenpants]

13. someone on CNN said they referred to themselves as "mores"

spelled that way? I don't know what it means. Also, the group was the "Seas of David" I think.

Did anyone hear when the family member showed the reporter the Bible, the reporter said, "That looks like a hotel Bible!" WTF? It's just a Bible, lady.

[VolcanoJen]

15. Yes, the CNN reporter was suggesting that they stole a Bible...

... from a motel.

That's what I got out of it, anyway.

[kittenpants]

23. that was my take too.

Nice objectivity bitch! (not you, the reporter!:))

[jwirr]

29. The Bethel Bible Society puts the Bible in hotel rooms with the

not in them that they are free to be taken: can't steal them. Also that same organization gives free Bibles to many people. These reporters and such are so stupid.

[Virginia Dare]

17. Moors, how quaint, we're back to the Crusades and the...

Inquisition!

Slightly OT, but have they mentioned the FBI infiltrator, I thought they said last night that he was a foreign agent acting posing as an Al Qaeda operative. Has the FBI been hoodwinked?

[me b zola]

22. or are the FBI doing the hoodwinking?

:shrug:

[Virginia Dare]

32. Could be...

I was just thinking with all the childish bullshit that has gone on between the CIA and the FBI, you never know.

[The_Casual_Observer]

19. And TCO says it's all a load of bullshit.

[VolcanoJen]

25. TCO?

:shrug: Help me out, here?

[The_Casual_Observer]

34. Me

The rest of the alphabet was weighing in, so why not?

[VolcanoJen]

37. LOL

Sorry, Cazh. :-) I'm a big dummy.

[The_Casual_Observer]

41. Jussst trying to have a little fun this morning!

:+

[Pierre.Suave]

21. Any guesses

on who the poor saps are that are getting set up by teh bushies this time?

[mavoix]

30. Any guesses

Guess one: Baghdad has been declared to be in a State of Emergency.

Guess two: They need something to take the heat off of * by ignoring Guess one.

Guess three: Isn't it always more effective to blame the black guys?

[Skidmore]

27. When we saw this on the news this morning, my hubby (a black man)

had an initial reaction of "If we think black men have had a hard time before, now it will get worse." And he's right. This is an excuse for suppression. Remember, we are in a climate where you can be picked up an disappear into a gulag without trial or even being told why you have been arrested.

Who's next?

[azurnoir]

28. Thinking a number

of the posters here have a point-
The FBI may well have been "hoodwinked" and in the war on terra The Nation of Islam has been absent. And finally it could be an election year and Rover is free to play politicss.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

33. i hope they get their own lawyers and not government lawyers

[ThomWV]

35. Weren't any of you alive in the '60s? It was a common phrase

Black Muslims was one of the first really great catch-phrase buzzwords in the whole fabric of insults which were Nixon's southern strategy. It gave something for the old Democrats in the south to hate and the Party to which they could go to hate with others. Black Muslims, Black Panthers, black welfare mothers - and every one of them driving a Cadillac and working hard for the downfall of the United States of America. This was the mantra that spewed from the old Confederacy - a solid Democratic bloc before Eisenhower's VP got to work. How in hell do you think we lost the south?

At any rate the essential beauty of "Black Muslims" was that it could unite the KKK end of the bigotry chain to the praise Jesus end of the stick. A new Crusade so to speak. Its not much different today. Not only does this one allow you to hate blacks but you get to tie it to Islam at the same time. You think Republican's are gonna miss a chance to capitalize on that one?