Mother of slain soldier, Pfc Menchaca, "I am against the war..."

[npincus]

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13529222,00.html?f=rss

Sanitized American MSM cleanses the words "beheading" or "beheaded" from this morning's tv news. Sadly, it's only a matter of time until photos or video surface on the internets.


The relatives of two US soldiers who were murdered in Iraq have reacted with a mix of grief and outrage over the news that the pair had been tortured and beheaded.

<snip>

The Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella organisation of five terrorist groups led by al Qaeda in Iraq, suggested the men had been beheaded.

"It's very upsetting to me that they would give you details of the torture, of the beheading," said Mario Vasquez, Pfc Menchaca's uncle.

His mother Maria Vasquez issued a statement saying: "I am against the war and I feel very hurt by what has happened to my son."

[hippiechick]

1. I'm sorry, I just have to say ...

"..."It's very upsetting to me that they would give you details of the torture, of the beheading," said Mario Vasquez, Pfc Menchaca's uncle..."

HOW DO YOU SUPPOSE THE FAMILIES OF THE PEOPLE TORTURED AND KILLED AT ABU GHRAIB FEEL SEEING THEIR LOVED ONES TORTURES AND MURDERS DOCUMENTED ON FILM LIKE IT WAS A FREAKIN' SUPERBOWL PARTY ?!?!?!


Don't flame me, I just had to get that off my chest. Peace.

[cali]

10. Fuck that. I'll flame you.

Fuck attacking the family for expressing their grief. They aren't thinking about abu ghraib or anything else but their devastating loss. Why should they? Who would. You get the award for the most inappropriate and heartless post I've seen in a while. congrats.

[DemonFighterLives]

15. I think you misread something

but I'll leave it at that.

[Pobeka]

16. Please re-read hippiechick's post. That is not at all what she said. n/t

[cali]

25. She quoted a grieving family member

and responded to the quote. If she meant something different, she should have made that clear.

[peacebaby3]

30. Thank you, Cali! That needed to be said. You didn't misread anything.

It was a horrible. There are probably videos of the brutal torture and murder of these soldiers. I pray to God not, but I'm sure there are if the people that did this had access to them.

You know when I was young, I was taught that two wrongs don't make something right. That seems to be lost on some here.

Why does there have to be a comparison to people's grief? I'll bet they all have horrible grief and it should all be recognized and given the same compassion.

[Pobeka]

31. "horrible grief...should all be recognized and given the same compassion."

That was what hippiechick was saying, just pointing out that Iraqi's have loved ones too. I will leave it at that, we don't need to debate this to death...

[NNN0LHI]

21. I bet uncle got his rocks off watching Bush Shock and Awe the Iraq people

Just like a lot of Americans did.

Don

[genie_weenie]

28. That's a bad bet.

Many Americans, including many military members, did not "get their rocks off" watching the bombing of Iraq.

But concerning your bet, if the guy did what have you won other than some hollow moral superiority over this suffering guy and if he didn't....

[meegbear]

2. I was watching Headline News at the gym ...

they showed Tucker's family and the people in the town, but didn't cover much about Menchaca. I guess this is why.

[lonestarnot]

3. I saw they are already attempting they're best at marginalizing this

family. Poor kid hasn't been dead even a week and the MSM is characterizing them as an out of their heads greiving family who can't possibly make a focussed judgment against the war of fucking lies.

[Hubert Flottz]

4. "I feel very hurt by what has happened to my son."

THe whole country should feel very hurt about what has happened to all the sons and daughters who died for the neocon's lies and so Karl could have his "War President". For 230 years America never needed a "War President" but now we have one and he is VERY expensive!

[lonestarnot]

5. Neofuckingrepukes are too busy eating $500 a plate dinners to notice

any damn sons or daughters dying. The must eat you know.

[Hubert Flottz]

8. I hate these bastards!

All the GOP has to offer is pain, poverty and grief! I've had my fill of it and 65% of America has too, so I don't feel alone, just PISSED OFF!

[lonestarnot]

9. Yeah, well don't forget to stay that way.

[Solly Mack]

6. duality

"It's very upsetting to me that they would give you details of the torture, of the beheading," said Mario Vasquez, Pfc Menchaca's uncle.

His mother Maria Vasquez issued a statement saying: "I am against the war and I feel very hurt by what has happened to my son."

-snip-

"Pfc Tucker's family also issued a statement, saying they were devastated by the news but heartened by the community support.

"Tom has gained a much larger family through this ordeal than he had when he left home to go help to free the Iraqi people and protect his country from the threat of terrorism," the family said."



My heart goes out to both families.

[TornadoTN]

14. With all due respect to the families

I believe we can already see the PsyOps working on this matter, their dirty hands are all over this. Both families are going through a terrible time and my heart goes out to them. But I can tell you right now which family will get their face time on the news and their quotes throughout the country. Any guesses which one? That's right, Tuckers family. While Menchaca's will be relegated to the back burner of the news cycle, a veritable "also-ran" in this whole damned, dirty mess.

We can expect to hear plenty from the right-wing establishment about how the "Tucker's understand what's at stake", while the other family will be classified as "hurt from all of the pain, so they aren't thinking right" or perhaps even "getting off at their sons death to make a political point".

This is sickening and its only going to get worse.

[Solly Mack]

22. Of course the family that says what Bush wants to hear will get the

face time. Of course these deaths will be used as a tool of propaganda.

But that doesn't make the Tucker family's belief (and grieving process) any less real for them. Understanding that a belief in no way needs reason or logic or truth to sustain it..and while grief does have stages...a process...it's still emotionally charged.

Yes, in life and in death, the Bush regime and all his collaborators, will use the people most directly affected by Bush's war of lies.

But that doesn't change the pain either of those families are feeling today. In time...it might..but right now, they are suffering.

[TornadoTN]

24. Yes, and thats the travesty of this mess

Both families need their time to grieve and try to pick up the pieces, if that is even possible.

My main contention is that this will turn into a political football, where the Tucker's will be "America's team" and the family of Menchaca will be demonized or characterized as insane (Remember Cindy Sheehan?). The Bush regime will use these families ordeals to their advantage, propping up one while ignoring and marginalizing the other.

[Solly Mack]

26. It will turn into political football

and the families will be both attacked and praised according to how others wish to use them

It truly is a travesty.

I hope in time Tucker's family can see Bush and his "war on terror" for what they both really are(criminal)....but it's time they won't have anytime soon because too many vultures are already circling,ready to feast on the death of their son. Even if they never see Bush for what he is...and they continue to cling to the comfort of halcyon myths...I wish them peace.

It angers me too when families say what the Tucker family have said...and it sickens me...but I've seen far too families have to deal with this...and I just can't tell how they should grieve or what they should believe...not while they're hurting this badly....but then I'm not interested in using these deaths as a propaganda tool...unlike my government.

[lonestarnot]

7. He's just a name.

[Hubert Flottz]

13. "A bench mark"

A number on a neocon bean counter's page.

Ask Bush's new PR man he'll tell you.

Edit...The Army has guys at the high school now signing up some children to replace these two.

I'm so sad and pissed off, about this elective war and it really does make me sick to my stomach.

[DemonFighterLives]

11. I feel so sorry for her

but she better strap herself in. The media will be playing this torture/slaughter story for weeks. Doesn't matter that there are a couple hundred thousand Iraqis dead and 2500 Americans, it is the diversion you see.
Dubby started the war and torture and dissed the quaint Geneva Convention rules- so now it is no holds barred. Ya get what ya give.
Amazing that they are still as dead as one who is beat up on a stretcher like Zarquawi.

All the blood is on the wee presidents hands.
:cry:

[Philosoraptor]

17. Ann Coulter is preparing to attack her and call her a traitorous harpie.

You just watch.

[DemonFighterLives]

23. I'm sure she is sharpening her fangs

for the Menchacas.

Ever notice how the neocons really "turn on" when beheading is mentioned.
They have been echoing those stories since the Berg killing. I guess in righty eyes it is ok to die but don't lose your head over it. :shrug:

[Blue Velvet]

32. Yeah - how DARE she use her loved one's death for political gain!

The nerve - how she cleverly positioned herself (through her loss and her grief) to be an "unassailable" critic of the Bush administration)

(is :sarcasm: even needed?)

[Philosoraptor]

12. The neo cons don't grieve like we humans do.

They support the troops don't cha know? Disgusting how this will all be exploited for the highest profits.

[yourout]

20. The only thing the cons grieve is when they miss an....

opportunity to make money off the rest of us.

[TornadoTN]

18. Why is that we will hear only about these two?

I understand that this is a notable event and it will recieve more press coverage, perhaps legitatmately and perhaps for more nefarious reasons. But I can't grasp why the MSM won't give "exposes" on all of our soldiers deaths over in that hell-hole. They were killed by the same "terrorists" that killed these two, so where is the outrage on all of our military deaths? And for that matter, where is the outrage for all of the civilian deaths that we have inflicted?

I probably know the answers already and thats the worst part about it.

[bleedingheart]

19. I bet Coulter is sharpening her pen for a diatribe against Mrs. Vasquez

[Beausoir]

27. Barry MC Caffrey and Norah O'Connell smeared this family last night.

MCCaffrey called the Uncle "Irresponsible" for his grief-stricken comments regarding his nephew's death. He was furious that the Uncle would have the audacity to speak through his grief.

O'Donnell was just rabid about the entire story. You could see the blood-lust in her gigantic eyes.

This was on Tweety's show.

The Menchaca family is not the correct color for the GOP. This is going to get even more painful for them as the media and the GOP turns their vicious hate machine loose on them.

[npincus]

29. Pfc Tucker's Dad made an unusual remark on Today show this AM

that the MSM will either ignore (probable) or have a hard time spinning.

Whether a grief reaction or his real thoughts, the slain soldier's dad spoke about support for the war but ended with something like (check transcript for actual quote verbatim) that his son had a 'job to do' at the same time he understood that the person(s) who killed him were also "doing their job". And he re-stated that same thought, that his son's killers were there "doing their job".

That is a very, very interesting response. No one should pick it apart as he was experienceing unbearable grief, shock and horror at the brutal death of his child. But, he is after all explaining the violent actions of the insurgency as performing their 'job'.

How does the RW media spin this?