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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-20-06 11:10 PM Original message |
Lessons from the Truthout/Leopold/Rove non-indictment story |
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DisgustedTX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-20-06 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. We recognize. Luskin/NBC got the TRUTHOUT |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-20-06 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. Somewhat similar to the lessons learned from |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-20-06 11:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. That is a good point |
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ItsTheMediaStupid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 10:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. There is no lack of evidence of election fraud |
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byronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
44. What you said. Jeez, what is all this crap? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. The lesson learned SHOULD be to remain aware that bullshit is out there |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-20-06 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. Very, very exaggerated parallels. We don't even know the final |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 12:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. In your opinion, when will we know the final outcome? |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 01:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Do you want your answer |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. hehe nt |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 07:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Can't say - who knows if they are going to take the un-American way. |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. The final outcome came 24 "business hours" after the false story. |
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byronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
46. I applaud your post. Thank you. |
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idgiehkt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
48. I think it's innaccurate. Alot of these folks never claimed accuracy. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
8. Look. Fitz was suspicious of Rove for 3 years. And questioned him |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
10. David SHUSTER encapsulates the big lesson |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 09:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. very intersting story on Shuster |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 09:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Thank You! I appreciate your post very much. |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 09:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I only know about SHUSTER, who outed his sources. Thanks. n/t |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. When OldLefty Lawyer talks, we listen. |
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Catrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 11:37 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. OLL was completely wrong on several legal matters which caused me |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. We still listen. It's all in the style. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 11:40 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. :-) |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. be nice |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
11. i learned that there are those on the left who like circular firing squads |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Agreed. Though, "on the left" might be up for debate. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Fyi, |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. "Rightwingers are rejoicing" - I doubt it. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I didn't say "all". It's a true statement. |
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TwilightZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. No, you missed the point. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Say it clearly then. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I think it's both. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. It can't be both. nt |
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Laurab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 10:08 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. That's what I learned, too |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. the best hate and anger money can buy |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
14. When hyper-vigilance goes bad. So sad. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
15. If Truthout is a threat to the RW, i'd expect much the same |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 10:05 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Hah? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 11:45 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. COINTELPRO is more than "plants" |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
23. Perfectly stated! |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
25. case number "06 cr 128." |
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symbolman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Horseshit |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Right on. nt |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Hey, didn't you know, anyone who criticizes TO is cointelpro? |
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symbolman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Well the Pay sure sucks |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 12:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
50. So there's no such case number, or it has nothing to do with Rove? |
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symbolman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Well let's see |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. More harping on the messenger, |
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symbolman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 12:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
76. Are you calling Leopold a MESSENGER? |
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Jigarotta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 11:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
82. now There's some clear communication skills! right on 2! nt |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
39. Don't believe known liars? |
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CarlWoodward (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
42. Personally |
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byronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-21-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Uhhhhhhh... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 12:47 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. there you go |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
49. since someone brought up BBV as a "similar lesson" |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 08:17 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. No matter how many times a claim is posted |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. That goes both ways |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:16 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Are you accusing me of being a RWer? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:23 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. What i'm saying is that it isn't as cut and dried as the OP makes it out |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Seems to me there is accusations that some |
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Just WTFisWTF (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-27-06 03:07 AM Response to Reply #74 |
83. I am waiting for an answer |
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Just WTFisWTF (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 03:29 AM Response to Reply #60 |
81. Well this is what I think |
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BradBlog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 02:54 AM Response to Reply #56 |
79. ...It doesn't make it so (particularly with the Blackboxwatchdog disinfo) |
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Jigarotta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 03:25 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. wholly agreed. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
52. Moot point - the need-no-evidence believers STILL.... |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
55. Everyone makes mistakes |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 08:53 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. All we know is that Rove has not been indicted, |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:00 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Ah |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:19 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. You really begin to question some folk's |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. "there are known unknowns, and unknown unknowns... |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:40 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Exactly! |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:35 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Actually the logic is very simple, |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. No, it is speculation |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:25 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. Sealed indictment, then a deal was struck; |
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greatauntoftriplets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:29 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Rove's talking.... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. No indictment, not talking - does that mean Rove is innocent? |
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greatauntoftriplets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:43 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. No, it likely means there was not enough evidence to indict..... |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 08:51 AM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Now you are going to smear Fitz? |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:18 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Klingons have not attacked my home town |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Then again, indictment against Rove is slightly more likely than Klingons |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 09:45 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Certainly! |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-22-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. So, you're here only for the fun of it; nothing you say is to be taken |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-23-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Quite the opposite |
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