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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:42 AM
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How to STOP corporations from buying off our Dems once elected?
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 12:09 PM by BlooInBloo
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000935.php

This is a problem concerning the *dynamics* of politics, and not the *statics*.

As the country's population goes more and more against gw, and republicans generally, they lean more and more towards Democrats.

Lobbying firms aren't blind to this, and naturally start investing more of their money in the future - i.e., Democrats.

The end result of this is that when Democrats take over Congress in the fall, it's entirely possible that they'll be every bit as bought off as republicans are. Or at least bought off too much for us to be happy with, at any rate.

What can we do to prevent this from occurring?

Some sort of Democratic pledge to remain true to one's constituents and never be beholden, even in appearance, to large corporations, perhaps?

Thoughts?


EDIT: Corrected "bought".
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:44 AM
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1. Don't take corporate pac money. Kerry doesn't, Feingold doesn't and
Edwards didn't when he was in office, and neither did Wellstone.

Kerry and Wellstone submitted the Clean Money, Clean Elections bill in 1997 - it should be resubmitted today in Wellstone's honor.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:14 PM
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7. Love your suggestion on Kerry resubmitting the Clean Elections Bill
in Wellstone's honor. (Making any changes needed from what was learned since then) He would almost not have to write a Senate speech - just update the 1997 comments as they sound even truer now.

I love Kerry's comments which show why if enacted it would help control corporate influence. The cost to Kerry and the others of refusing PAC money was mentioned on one of the CSPAN shows covering the Iowa primary. Teresa mentioned that this meant that Kerry had to spend far more time at fund raisers.

From Thomas, Kerry's 1997 comments - some of which sound like his post 2004 activism comments.:

Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I want to speak before you today about a critical challenge before this Senate--the challenge of reforming the way in which elections are conducted in the United States; the challenge of ending the ``moneyocracy'' that has turned our elections into auctions where public office is sold to the highest bidder. I want to implore the Congress to take meaningful steps this year to ban soft money, strengthen the Federal Election Commission, provide candidates the opportunity to pay for their campaigns with clean money, end the growing trend of dangerous sham issue ads, and meet the ultimate goal of restoring the rights of average Americans to have a stake in their democracy. Today I am proud to join with my colleague from Minnesota, PAUL WELLSTONE, to introduce the ``Clean Money'' bill which I believe will help all of us entrusted to shape public policy to arrive at a point where we can truly say we are rebuilding Americans' faith in our democracy.
For the last 10 years, I have stood before you to push for comprehensive campaign reform. We have made nips and tucks at the edges of the system, but we have always found excuses to hold us back from making the system work. It's long past time that we act--in a comprehensive way--to curtail the way in which soft money and the big special interest dollars are crowding ordinary citizens out of this political system.
Today the political system is being corrupted because there is too much unregulated, misused money circulating in an environment where candidates will do anything to get elected and where, too often, the special interests set the tone of debate more than the political leaders or the American people. Just consider the facts for a moment. The rising cost of seeking political office is outrageous. In 1996, House and Senate candidates spent more than $765 million, a 76% increase since 1990 and a six fold increase since 1976. Since 1976, the average cost for a winning Senate race went from $600,000 to $3.3 million, and in the arms race for campaign dollars in 1996 many of us were forced to spend significantly more than that. In constant dollars, we have seen an increase of over 100 percent in the money spent for Senatorial races from 1980 to 1994. Today Senators often spend more time on the phone ``dialing for dollars'' than on the Senate floor. The average Senator must raise $12,000 a week for six years to pay for his or her re-election campaign.
But that's just the tip of the iceberg. The use of soft money has exploded. In 1988, Democrats and Republicans raised a combined $45 million in soft money. In 1992 that number doubled to reach $90 million and in 1995-96 that number tripled to $262 million. This trend continues in this cycle. What's the impact of all that soft money? It means that the special interests are being heard. They're the ones with the influence. But ordinary citizens can't compete. Fewer than one third of one percent of eligible voters donated more than $250 in the electoral cycle of 1996. They're on the sidelines in what is becoming a coin-operated political system.
The American people want us to act today to forge a better system. An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll shows that 77% of the public believes that campaign finance reform is needed ``because there is too much money being spent on political campaigns, which leads to excessive influence by special interests and wealthy individuals at the expense of average people.'' Last spring a New York Times found that an astonishing 91% of the public favor a fundamental transformation of this system.
Cynics say that the American people don't care about campaign finance. It's not true. Citizens just don't believe we'll have the courage to act--they're fed up with our defense of the status quo. They're disturbed by our fear of moving away from this status quo which is destroying our democracy. Soft money, political experts tell us, is good for incumbents, good for those of us within the system already. Well, nothing can be good for any elected official that hurts our democracy, that drives citizens out of the process, and which keeps politicians glued to the phone raising money when they ought to be doing the people's business. Let's put aside the status quo, and let's act today to restore our democracy, to make it once more all that the founders promised it could be.
Let us pass the Clean Mo ney Bill to restore faith in our government in this age when it has been so badly eroded.
Let us recognize that the faith in government and in our political process which leads Americans to go to town hall meetings, or to attend local caucuses, or even to vote--that faith which makes political expression worthwhile for ordinary working Americans--is being threatened by a political system that appears to reward the special interests that can play the game and the politicians who can game the system.
Each time we have debated campaign finance reform in this Senate, too many of our colleagues have safeguarded the status quo under the guise of protecting the political speech of the Fortune 500. But today we must pass campaign finance reform to protect the political voice of the 250 million ordinary, working Americans without a fortune. It is their dwindling faith in our political system that must be restored.
Twenty five years ago, I sat before the Foreign Relations Committee, a young veteran having returned from Vietnam. Behind me sat hundreds of veterans committed to ending the war the Vietnam War. Even then we questioned whether ordinary Americans, battle scarred veterans, could have a voice in a political system where the costs of campaigns, the price of elected office seemed prohibitive. Young men who had put their life on the front lines for their country were worried that the wall of special interests between the people and their government might have been too thick even then for our voices to be heard in the corridors of power in Washington, D.C.
But we had a reserve of faith left, some belief in the promise and the influence of political expression for all Americans. That sliver of faith saved lives. Ordinary citizens stopped a war that had taken 59,000 American lives.
GPO's PDF
Every time in the history of this republic when we have faced a moral challenge, there has been enough faith in our democracy to stir the passions of ordinary Americans to act--to write to their Members of Congress; to come to Washington and speak with us one on one; to walk door to door on behalf of issues and candidates; and to vote on election day for people they believe will fight for them in Washington.
It's the activism of citizens in our democracy that has made the American experiment a success. Ordinary citizens--at the most critical moments in our history--were filled with a sense of efficacy. They believed they had influence in their government.

Today those same citizens are turning away from our political system. They believe the only kind of influence left in American politics is the kind you wield with a checkbook. The senior citizen living on a social security check knows her influence is inconsequential compared to the interest group that can saturate a media market with a million dollars in ads that play fast and loose with the facts. The mother struggling to find decent health care for her children knows her influence is trivial compared to the special interests on K Street that can deliver contributions to incumbent politicians struggling to stay in office.
But I would remind you that whenever our country faces a challenge, it is not the special interests, but rather the average citizen, who holds the responsibility to protect our nation. The next time our nation faces a crisis and the people's voice needs to be heard to turn the tide of history, will the average American believe enough in the process to give words to the feelings beyond the beltway, the currents of public opinion that run beneath the surface of our political dialogue?
In times of real challenge for our country in the years to come, will the young people speak up once again? Not if we continue to hand over control of our political system to the special interests who can infuse the system with soft money and with phony television ads that make a mockery of the issues.
The children of the generation that fought to lower the voting age to 18 are abandoning the voting booth themselves. Polls reveal they believe it is more likely that they'll be abducted by aliens than it is that their vote will make a real difference. For America's young people the MTV Voter Participation Challenge ``Choose or Lose'' has become a cynical joke. In their minds, the choice has already been lost--lost to the special interests. That is a loss this Senate should take very seriously. That is tremendous damage done to our democracy, damage we have a responsibility in this Senate to repair. Mr. President, with this legislation we are introducing today, we can begin that effort--we can repair and revitalize our political process, and we can guarantee ``clean el ections'' fu nded by ``clean mo ney,'' elections wh ere our citizens are the ones who make the difference

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:45 AM
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2. Public funding only would be the best way, but we will never have a gov't
in power that would do that.
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infogirl Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:55 AM
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3. how about a lie detector test every year..
"have you taken bribes"?

"have you been working with CIA snitches"? See YANG.

"have you made promises to any corps. who gave you money"?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 11:57 AM
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4. Oh that's HOT! I like it! Don't forget the money question though...
... "Do you have $90,000 in your freezer?"

:rofl:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:06 PM
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5. Open Secrets
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 12:08 PM by chill_wind
First step is acknowleging and driving home the reality, so many intent on denying. Both parties drink from the same dog dish, just in slightly varying amounts.

What a great tool (you could be there for days):

http://www.opensecrets.org

Who gives. Who gets.

2006 Election Cycle Sector totals

Republicans
http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/sector_img.asp?party=RPC&cycle=2006


Democrats
http://www.opensecrets.org/parties/sector_img.asp?party=DPC&cycle=2006


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:18 PM
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9. Careful how you interrept this
When you contribute, the form asks, "employer". Say you work for Verizon - your contribution gets aggregated with all your co-workers. This is different than corporate contributions.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:44 PM
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20. As someone who has had his contribution 'aggregated'
by an employer, I can tell you that this is a heavy handed practice where employers more or less require you to make a contribution to a campaign THEY want to support and then reimburse you in a circuitous fashion, since direct reimbursement is illegal.

Of course you can choose 'not to support your company' and accept the consequences in no future promotions, etc.

These are purely corporate contributions disguised as coming from individuals, which is why the FEC makes them reported that way.

peace
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:17 PM
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21. dupe (self-deleted)
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 01:23 PM by chill_wind

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:50 PM
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27. I realize that that happens
I also know that when my husband and I have made contributions, we have had to list employer. Although there were calls to give to the company PACs I never heard anyone told to write a check to Sentor X. I do realize it may happen and that the FEC does this for that reason.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 08:46 PM
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30. My donations didn't go to company pac, but would have been listed
under corporate media....and you all know that I attack them a thousandfold here and fight them at every turn.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:33 PM
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13. Who's Got the Most Juice on Capitol Hill
Top Industries Giving to Members of Congress
2006 Cycle




Top Industries

Who's got the most juice on Capitol Hill? Here's a list of the top industries contributing to members of the 109th Congress during the 2005-2006 election cycle. The first list shows the overall 50 biggest industries. The other two highlight the top 25 industries giving to members of each of the two major parties. In all cases, the Top Recipient listed is the individual member of the 109th Congress who received the most from the industry. Totals shown here include only the money that went to current incumbents in Congress



http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/mems.asp
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:38 PM
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24. Defense/Aerospace dog dish approx 60/40 (pubs/dems)
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=D01

with more data (15 year trend) going back to 1990
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:08 PM
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6. Politcians pledging NOT to take money? Watch for flying pigshit.
Glaciers in hell? The Second Coming?

All of which are far more likely.

"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native criminal class...except Congress." Mark Twain
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:15 PM
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8. According to #1, it happens. I suppose there are 2 main approaches...
... sit back and say "it can never be any better", or look for ways to improve the situation.

Each will choose for him/herself, of course.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:27 PM
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10. Read post #7 - There were 5 senators then who supported it.
I would guess that more do now.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:40 PM
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17. The problem being that the guys who make the laws take the money.
And, the only way they can get into position to change the laws is to to take the money. Which is why our democracy has become an Oligarchy of the rich and powerful with two wings of the same capitalist/nationalist party.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:44 PM
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19. That IS the nub of the problem.
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:31 PM
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11. Public Campaign is a national organization helping states bring
"Clean Money" campaigns to their state. I urge all to go here: http://www.publicampaign.org/
Find your state and get INVOLVED! In California, we have California Clean Money Campaign http://www.caclean.org/ If your state or town does not have a chapter, START ONE! This is step one in getting corporations out of our politics.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:33 PM
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14. Thanks Amy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 03:29 PM
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29. A few states have already adopted it. We need more to follow.
.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:32 PM
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12. Only if we get it together to vote against incumbents
and do it consistently can we end this cycle.

There is nothing that will stop the flow of milk and honey from the corporate teat like diminished returns. Why try to buy a Rep when he's only going to be there 2 years?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:36 PM
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15. Would you be in favor of term limits of 1 term by law?
Interesting idea.

The thing I never like about term limits is Congress (by legislating on the matter) stepping over the rights of voters to elect whomever they want.

If you mean just as a get-the-word-out-to-voters-"hey don't elect incumbents"-thing, then that would be nice, albeit hard. Any suggestions on effective methods for this? Has it ever been successfully implemented before?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:39 PM
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16. Not really.
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 12:40 PM by Warpy
Eventually Congress will get the point and get the dirty money out by way of campaign finance reform. I see to reason to chuck out good legislators who do the country's work, not the corporation's work. Unfortunately, all the ones in now MUST do the corporation's work, or they'll never get sufficient funding for reelection.

In any case, we the people have to make this system unprofitable, and my contrarian attitude is one way we can do it.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 12:43 PM
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18. "to" = "no", I assume?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:48 PM
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26. Sorry about that, but yes
Arthritis meets extremely poor vision resulting in a bastard child named Typoese.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:21 PM
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22. Common Cause: Clean Money Day June 27
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 01:32 PM by chill_wind
Clean Money Day
By Dave Algoso
Posted on Fri Jun 16, 2006 at 06:33:06 PM EST

June 27th is now officially Clean Money Day! CC is working with a coalition of groups to host house parties across the country on June 27th. Can you host one? Go here to sign up.

The house parties will feature a new film by Brave New Films called "The Big Buy: Tom Delay's Stolen Congress" and will be linked by a national conference call with CC President Chellie Pingree and other reform leaders. More after the jump...


http://www.commonblog.com/story/2006/6/16/18336/9803

Issues Site. See also



* Election Reform

* Ethics in Government

* Government Accountability

* Eye on the Gulf

* Eye on Iraq

* Media and Democracy

* Money In Politics

* Redistricting

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:27 PM
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23. corporate money is merely the conduit
by which the super wealthy exercise control over our political processes, neuter democracy and ensure the preservation and prosperity of the status-quo "haves"

relying on ALL Democratic pliticians to do the right thing won't work. Corporate bribery of pliticians is currently legal and is a required part of the game. It will remain so as long as:

a) corporations are not regulated into submission and compelled to operate in the public good first and shareholder good second.

b) corporations are allowed to exercise the full privileges of personhood with none of the responsibilities and constraints
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 01:39 PM
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25. I'm with ya on b), but a) seems problematic to me...
... in particular, under a), what would be the BUSINESS incentive to start a corporation in the first place, if it required that they act at odd with THEIR OWN interests (remember they are shareholders in their own companies).

Or is it just that you're looking for a "cute" way to get rid of the corporation flat-out?

It seems to me that requiring any entity to act first in foremost in ways that are not in its interest is simply a cute way of saying that entity shouldn't exist.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-19-06 02:22 PM
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28. public interest trumps corporate interest
Edited on Mon Jun-19-06 02:23 PM by leftofthedial
in other words, for example, don't pollute in violation of the law because they know the fines will cost much less than the cost of envrionmentally responsible waste disposal.

I didn't say force them to act against their own interests (although that is what they currently do to most Americans). In fact, most corporations already act profoundly against their own long-term interests in order to maximize short-term investor profits.

Although it has nothing to do with a), yes, I do believe the entity (as currently defined) should not exist. Corporations, as they currently exist, are the psychotic offspring of capitalism's greatest evils.
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