Either the Democrats take the truth to power.... (Buzzflash)

[kentuck]

Do you agree or disagree with the Buzzflash editorial? Democrats are setting themselves up to lose again on the Iraq war issue??
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http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/06/06/edi06046.html

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Of course, BuzzFlash readers know that Bush's War in Iraq and the resurgent War in Afghanistan represent years of Bush's FAILED "war on terrorism." They are partisan, political wars, whose purpose now is to keep Bush and the Republicans in power. As a lagniappe, the oil companies get to attain record profits because Iraq is producing less oil now and Iran is threatening to turn off the petroleum valves. That makes the price of oil soar, because it is scarcer.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid just released a Democratic Party agenda for America. Most of its social and economic goals were commendable.

But they won't win either branch of Congess on these issues. This will be the third election that Karl Rove has run a campaign based on hotwiring fear into enough Americans to keep this nation a one-party Republican dictatorship. Rove knows how to weave a narrative, right out of Orwell's "1984," in which America is faced with a permanent enemy, whose face is -- literally -- constantly changing.

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You can't win a political campaign -- as BuzzFlash has noted many a time -- by "praying a lie." The longer the Democrats allow Rove to employ the "fear" playbook a third time, while our real national security is increasingly at risk due to Bush's stubborn, arrogant incompetence, the more likely they are to lose the mid-terms.

Either the Democrats take the truth to power, as Jack Murtha has on national security, or the November elections will be lost. It's that simple.

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[IndyOp]

1. If party line does not include "OUT OF IRAQ" then individual candidates

*MUST* highlight this. If they don't then we will have a much harder time getting out the vote - we will have to convince people to vote to get the House (& hopefully Senate) back in the hands of the Dems so the Dems *can* challenge the bushies.

[blm]

2. Very disappointing for a NEWS SOURCE - - they didn't know that Kerry

submitted a withdrawal plan for Iraq last October - - instead, they use the GOP mediaspin that Kerry has just now sided with withdrawal as aif it were a political move.

Kerry submitted a withdrawal plan for Iraq before most of them even heard the name John Murtha. He went to Iraq in Sept. to develop a withdrawal plan WITH The Iraqi rank and file members of parliament and the commanders on the ground there. He would resubmit a plan last March after Iraq's THIRD ELECTION and after Civil War was becoming more apparent.

When LEFT MEDIA ignores the FACTS and advances the spin, it helps make Democrats look more politically craven - plus, it's BAD REPORTING, LAZY REPORTING. Why do they not check out the FACTS before they write an editorial? It's easy for the bottom line to this story to become something entirely different than what Buzzflash intended. THEY made the actions sound political over truthful.

[acmavm]

4. Almost no one knew about Kerry's 'withdrawal' plan. It wasn't exactly

front page news.

Maybe he should have thought about that during the election.

[blm]

6. No one was going to have a withdrawl plan in 2004 BEFORE Iraq had a FIRST

Election. No one. And certainly not a DOABLE plan.

And the whole point is that a LEFT news source should be aware of EVERYTHING That the mainstream media is keeping from the American people - - they are supposed to be REPORTING - - you can be satisfied with the left being LAZY in their journalism and depending on front page mainstream articles to inform them - I think it's a problem for us that shouldn't be ignored.

[acmavm]

15. Of course the dems could. Did anyone think the Iraqi elections were

going to be on the up and up? After Bremer and the rest of the looters, did anyone really believe that election would do one bit of good for that poor country? Because if they did they sure as hell weren't paying attention to what was going on in Iraq or what was being said here.

We should have had a plan to get out of there before the election, and it should have been broadcast all over the place. Because long before that time we knew it was based on lies, the reasons for going into Iraq kept changing by the day, Halliburton and KBR had already been caught cheating the taxpayers, the military, and the Iraqi people. The beheadings had already begun. We had a damn good preview of how staying would turn out.

Saying that we needed to wait for the first election is a hoot.

[blm]

16. That would have required saying that there was NO REASON to have any faith

in the Iraqi people to hold elections and choose their own government and constitution and say it repeatedly throughout 2004 - - forget it - - it was NOT going to happen from anybody.

You want to claim that it would have succeeded, but it wasn't dealing with the REALITY that we were already in that war, and the plans had to be responsible - had Kerry won, we likely wouldn't even BE THERE now in any significant numbers, and Iraq wouldn't have SPUN out of control after their elections.

Do it your way and you can just say hello to a REAL Bush mandate where he wouldn't have had to cheat and rig machines to win. An amateur Repub could have spun that to success.

[karynnj]

11. Almost no one knew of Kerry's plan?

Kerry made what his office labled a major speech at Georgetown. Kerry then when on at least 5 of the talk shows and was on several liberal/moderate radio shows explaining it.

As Kerry is the 2004 nominee this was news - the media is still doing the Bush administration's work.

[robbedvoter]

5. Bully for Kerry. Why isn't THAT in the Dem agenda?

That was the subject here. In NY State the dems voted on an agenda that EXCLUDES war - to make Hillary ignore her primary challenge (and electorate) easier. This is unacceptable.

WAR IS THE GUT ISSUE - THE LIFE AND DEATH

IF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ECONOMICS AND IGNORE THE DYING - YOU LOOK LIKE LIARS!

I don't think they'll lose - they've been winning since 2000 non stop. But theyy'll be robbed - again, and they'll shut up - again.
The problem with lack of convictions - it's not convincing.

[KoKo]

10. Buzzflash has never used GOP media spin.

Have you read their site? I've been reading them since they first came on line.

[blm]

12. So have I - and they just used spin here when they say Kerry is just NOW

for withdrawal - when he submitted a detailed withdrawal plan 3 weeks before most people even heard of John Murtha. Buzz casually infers Kerry is now on board with his recent speeches, completely oblivious to all his efforts since his info-gathering trip to Iraq last summer.

[acmavm]

3. Democrats are setting themselves up to lose again on ALL the issues.

They are proving, once again, to be the nothing party. They stand for nothing. Can't piss off those corporate donors. Can't buck the DLC who says campaign straight down the middle of the road, don't rock the boat.

What a joke. Iraq? Most of the country agrees that Iraq was a mistake, wasn't worth it. The loss of life on both sides, considering this was a war of CHOICE, amounts to murder. The cost in dollars to the American people amounts to theft. They are financing an illegal war (because it was based on lies, not any real threat) with funds we need dearly for our own people, our own country. But do you hear the dems out yelling this from the rooftops? Hell no. There was a 'debate' that was broadcast on C-SPAN. Do you know where most of America was during that debate? AT WORK. They didn't see it. And other than myself, I don't know anyone here in Nebraska who checks out C-SPAN anyway.

And then the phony 'vote' as to whether or not to continue this folly. What happens? 47 dems vote with the republican party not to 'cut and run'. What a bunch of losers.

They say Kerry 'lost'(which I don't believe) because he didn't stand for anything. Well here we go again.

[HardRocker05]

7. You are correct. It's going to be deja vu all over again. But you can bet

money that many on this board will be urging voters to choose a "smart," "centrist" candidate in the primaries, because it is alleged that he/she will have a better chance to win in the general election.

[newyawker99]

13. Hi HardRocker05!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[KoKo]

8. Dem House and Senate should have walked out many times ....yet

they whine that they don't have subpoena power, they whine that the Repugs change the rules...they whine that Dean hasn't given enough money to DSCC and DCCC...they whine in DC and send out Joe Biden and Donna Brazille to be their Flag bearers.

We see it....Buzzflash has seen it for years. Still the Dems run on jobs, and SS and the economy. While most Americans seem oblivious as they charge their way into more debt and take equity out of their homes when they are laid off from their jobs. Their kids aren't learning in over-crowded schools with budget cuts, their health care is jeopardized and yet they tune into Reality Shows and Crap on their TeeVee's and just lately have decided that Iraq maybe wasn't such a good idea.

If fear rules America the only way to conquer that is to speak out and show the "fear mongers" for what they are. Americans just want someone who will yell louder...that's why they watch Faux news. That's why O'Lielly and Coulter and the rest get all the attention. And the DC Dems whine and whine and whine. The few folks out there trying to make a change are ignored, time after time, while the Dems run the same losing campaigns cycle after cycle.

Without a Bill Clinton Charismatic...we are stuck with what we have. Might as well hang out that "Gone Fishing" sign. More of the same old same old.

[kentuck]

9. Gone Fishin' /~~*

:)

[AndyTiedye]

14. In MediaBlackoutLand, Noone Can Hear You Scream

We've been speaking out. Nobody can hear us.

[Poiuyt]

17. I agree with this editorial

The Democrats need to start fighting HARD against the war. Rove is going to be yelling "cut and run" from the top of his lungs, so the Dems better start fighting back. How about just saying that getting out of Iraq is best for America?