Biden: 'Security and faith' keys to win presidency

[ProSense]

Biden: 'Security and faith' keys to win presidency
By Anne Saunders, Associated Press Writer | June 17, 2006

DOVER, N.H. --Calling the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks a greater shock to the American psyche than Pearl Harbor, U.S. Sen. Joseph Biden said Saturday that Democrats must demonstrate they can provide for national security to win back the presidency.

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"I'm running for president -- flat out," he said, adding his party should learn to be more blunt.

"The next Democrat, whether it's me or Sen. Clinton or John Kerry, whomever -- the Democratic nominee -- they'd better be able to ante up right in front of the American people two things: security and faith," he said.

President Bush beat Kerry in 2004 because people wanted to believe he would keep them safe, Biden said. The mothers who voted for him still want one thing primarily: "Security for their families, physical security," he said.

Biden also criticized Democrats for their sometimes patronizing approach to religion, saying believers of different faiths don't expect everyone to join them.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/06/17/biden_security_and_faith_keys_to_win_presidency/

Physical security? Is he running on the Republican ticket?

[Corgigal]

1. different faiths don't expect everyone to join them.

Like hell they don't. Biden doesn't get it. If you don't join their faith they get offended and cranky.

He won't win. Man might need to travel around this country a bit more.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Not that it matters

as there was no chance of my supporting biden (D-corporatist asshat) but if there were he just killed it.

[creeksneakers2]

3. That's code for

the DLC mission to protect and even expand the military industrial complex.

[AlCzervik]

4. patronizing? Does he mean the democrats should be ass kissing the rw

full of faux piety christians?

[AndyTiedye]

5. Biden and Lieberman Head the Boll Weevil Wing of the Democratic Party

[Warren Stupidity]

6. More like the Dung Beetle

[Bluebear]

7. "Security! Faith! Bankruptcy Laws to aid credit card companies!"

Sorry, Joe. No support here.

[babylonsister]

8. Biden hasn't had an original idea in his life!

And dammit, stop dissing Dems! :grr: :grr:

[Jim Sagle]

9. Don't look now, but I think he just outjagged the other Jagoff Joe.

[Benhurst]

10. ...

:puke:

[Clarkie1]

11. Biden should be reframing the issues instead of bashing fellow Dems.

In two reason speeches, Clark nailed how to reframe these issues head-on. The answer, is not as Biden thinks to become more like the Republicans, the answer is to reframe faith and security using Democratic values.

Example #1:

General Wesley Clark at Yearly Kos: Science Panel
June 9, 2006

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"But what particularly worries me is the conflict that's out there between faith and reason, between faith and science.

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Because you see, I think this is an artificial, it's an artificial, manufactured crisis.

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There is incredible mystery out there, and what I believe is that God did create us and put us on this earth to use what he gave us, which is our imagination, our intelligence, our hands, our minds, our ears to study, to learn, to create, and we must do that. We must do it, because it's in our nature as human beings to push beyond the frontier, to ask the impossible questions. We can't be any other way. We're no different than our ancestors a thousand generations ago who gnawed on the bone of the woolly mammoth, threw it into the fire, stumbled out of the cave, laid on their back and looked up at the stars and said, 'What are those specks of light?' And I think that we're closer and closer to finding out, and I think that's our destiny, and I think God wants it that way.

http://www.securingamerica.com/node/1101

Example #2:

General Wes Clark: Keynote Address at the TX Democratic Convention
June 9, 2006

5,000 Democrats, 18 standing ovations

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"Now why am I going back over ancient history? Because it's not ancient, because WE WENT TO WAR IN IRAQ TO COVER UP THE COMMAND NEGLIGENCE THAT LED TO 9/11 (crowd rises to it's feet in standing ovation at this point), and it was a war we didn't have to fight.. That's the truth, and I hope, (crowd going wild at this point) I hope every Democrat around the country sees you all on your feet aknowleging the reality of the world we are living in today thanks to the misleadership of this Republican administration. I've been in war, I don't believe in it, and you don't do it unless there is absolutely, absolutely, absolutely no alternative."

http://www.securingamerica.com/node/1083

[politicasista]

12. Yes, he is right to bash fellow Dems at a time when we need unity n/t

[Clarkie1]

14. No, he's not right about bashing fellow Dems.

I should have been clearer what I think he is right about. I think he is right about security and faith being key issues Democrats need to win, especially at the presidential level.

[politicasista]

15. How does he know what Dems need?

If they need something, it's for a clear, strong, unified message, an implementation of Dean's 50 state strategy and strong grassroots campaigns.

He doesn't speak for me.

[Clarkie1]

16. I think you misunderstand me. Biden certainly does not speak for me!

I do, however think that we need to tackle reframing faith and security using Democratic values if we are to win, and I also think Dean's 50 state strategy is great. We do need a strong, clear, unified message. That was the message provided in the Real Security Plan. For better or for worse, some Democrats are going off on their own tangents on Iraq. I don't think that is necessarily entirely a bad thing, since it shows Democrats have many ideas and Republicans have none. It does, however, prevent the party from having a unified message (particularly on Iraq).

[politicasista]

17. We don't need two republican parties

and I never said that he spoke for you. His (Biden's) comments do the party more harm than good.

Voters want to vote for the party that has the ideas and the agenda that can move the country in the right direction again.

[Clarkie1]

18. I agree 100%.

That's one of the reasons I dislike Biden so much.

[biscotti]

13. Biden is clearly misguided and full of himself

Democrats need to get rid of all the political consultants, period. Their purpose has become mundane and useless. Recommendations of phony issue raising it divisive, redundant and futile.

[Stinky The Clown]

19. More from Breezy Joe isn't what we need right now.

And what Joe needs is ways to construct sentences that use the pronoun 'we' in place of the pronoun 'me'.

Breezy Joe .... spinning in the summer zephyrs, wet finger telling him which way to spin.

[Gloria]

20. Get lost, Biden! I have more FAITH in the NATIONAL SECURITY

expertise of Wes Clark, that I do in you, you big blowhard!!

[AlGore-08.com]

21. I can't think of a polite way to say this, but 9/11 was not a bigger blow

To our collective psyche than Pearl Harbor. 9/11 was a tragedy, and there are thousands of people who needlessly lost loved ones in the attacks on New York and D.C. It ushered in a period of Neo-McCarthyism and has lead to the senseless war in Iraq and other disasterous Smirk policies becoming law.

But Pearl Harbor ended the debate over whether the U.S. should enter into World War II, and began our four year involvement in the deadliest, most expensive war in history. At the end of World War II there were 50 million dead; both Europe and Asia were in ruins. Only the Civil War had more U.S. causalities. Over 16 million Americans - - around 13% of the total population - - served in World War II. On the home front, there was food and gas rationing, war bond drives, paper, rubber and grease drives.

And all through the war, folks were reminded of why they were all so focused on winning the war:

[Clarkie1]

22. Indeed, an absolutely stupid statement by Blowhard Biden. nt