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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:07 PM
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Just read the NYT headlines and my head is about to freakin' EXPLODE
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 12:15 PM by KzooDem
"GLUM DEMOCRATS CAN'T SEE HALTING BUSH ON COURTS" it says.

The first paragraph ends with a sentence that says:"...they see little hope of holding off the tide without winning back control of the Senate or White House."

Do you think they could at least TRY a fuckin' FILLIBUSTER? Not that it's going to keep Alito from the bench, but Jesus on a trailer hitch have they never heard of the term FLY IN THE OINTMENT? At least PRETEND to put up a fight. Make it as nasty and difficult as they can. You KNOW the Resmuglicans would do just that if the tables were turned.

Our Democratic legislators had better start growing some fuckin' balls and QUICK.

I never thought I'd say this, but maybe it's time to just quit voting at all if I'm going to end up pissing in the wind.

ARRGGGHHHHHHHH.

Okay....counting to ten....taking a deep breath.....going to get a cup of coffee....
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Bullwinkle925 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:10 PM
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1. I agree wholeheartedly.
Just where are the Dems hiding and why? for chrissakes.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:10 PM
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2. Do yourself a favor, don't watch Tweety's network show this morning
It's even worse. Nora O'Donnell and friends all agree that the Dems on the judicial committee were "idiotic" for asking Alito questions in the hearing.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:11 PM
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3. If they're giving up, what are we supposed to do? I'm running
out of patience, but also sadly, out of hope.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:16 PM
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9. Don't give up....this is how corporate media works its magic...they
get their marching orders and all the heads start saying the same thing..
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:47 PM
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21. Not giving up...just waiting for my second wind. I know it will come! Thx
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:12 PM
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4. the NYT says a lot of things
getting that upset about something in the NYT is a mistake imo. Keep contacting your senators.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:15 PM
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8. NYT headlines are written in Karl Rove's office.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:31 PM
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15. Oh, for pity's sake.
I can get plenty pissed at the old hag. Most recently that they sat on the domestic spying story for a year, only publishing it when the author's book was close to being released. Still, she's a crone I can't imagine parting company with, not only for Sunday's goodies such as the crossword puzzle, the book and arts reviews, the sports section, but for Frank Rich and Kristoff, as well as others on the op pages. They still do old fashioned investigative reporting on a number of subjects, and their correspondents in Iraq are well worth reading. Sure it's flawed, and yes they're too often cowardly or careless, but it is not in cahoots with rove or bushco. Just out of curiosity, do you ever actually read it?
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:11 PM
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28. Cahoots
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 01:14 PM by sheeptramp
Did you mean "old hag"? or "old rag"?. I made no mention of any hag or crone in my VERY very extremely brief post which you responded to. No hag or crone was mentioned or implied. Perhaps you meant to respond to a different post?

Yeah. I look at the NYT once in a while. It has the best crossword in the entire world, bar none. Anyone who says differently is a big fat liar.
I dont follow sports (except sheepdog trialing, and , to their detriment, NYT dosnt offer coverage of this compelling sport). NYT book reviews can be a little urbane and esoteric for me, personally, and it is not with pride, that I admit that sometimes I dont understand them.
I dont read the art reviews, but sometimes I look at the pictures.
An article in NYT sunday supplement about the imminant extinction of the dusky seaside sparrow, during the eighties, changed my life. I contacted the author, became his grad student, and studied birds for 20 years.

So, yeah, I read the fucking NYT.

Heres where we agree: NYT writers do some good investigative work.
Unfortunately the editorial board answers to someone other than its readers in the timing of the release of these stories , and the placement on back pages or below he fold.

And Yeah. the NYT was, in fact, in cahoots with Bush administration over the timing of the release of the wire-tapping story. Thats pretty much established.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:32 PM
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30. I'm not upset with the NYT....I'm upset with our Democratic "leaders"
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 01:34 PM by KzooDem
While I view many things in the NYT with suspicion, this headline and article is just verifying what we already know: the Dems in Congress are going to bend over and take it up the ass AGAIN without putting up a fight. Rinse and repeat.

To see it in print is what is making my head explode.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:35 PM
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32. then your head should already have exploded long ago
the media has been declaring a filibuster "unlikely" from the beginning, at every turn, even before Alito was a gleam in Rove's eye.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:26 PM
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35. Well, I was holding out hope....this was the last straw....arghhh!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:33 PM
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36. I ask again, why on earth would you throw our own people overboard...
...on nothing but the word of known liars and Bush** enablers, the NYT?

NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:13 PM
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5. Why, pray tell, do you believe Judith Miller's rag?
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 12:14 PM by ClassWarrior
Why are you so ready to throw your own party overboard based on the words of known institutional liars?

Yummmmm... Corporate Media koolaid is sooo sweet and tasty!!

NGU.


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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:13 PM
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6. Yeah, was sleeping with Sunday AM talk shows blaring and heard
Diane Feinstein contradicting herself by first saying the issues against Alito are big issues (i.e., reproductive rights and unitary executive that empowers the Executive) and then, almost in the same breath she said there was no glaring reason to filibuster, so she thought it wasn't an option! That woke me up. WTF is she thinking? All of Congress will essentially be neutered if Alito gets on the SC due to the potential for Alito and others to support unitary executive theory, and we can kiss our democratic Republic goodbye. Obviously, she's one of the Dems who will cave. I'm emailing and calling her office.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:19 PM
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12. Thinking?
Feinstein is incapable of real thought.

She only mouths the corporate party line.

Whenever she accidentally lets out a thought, she has to undo it.

I have no respect for that woman.

Boxer .. on the other hand.. is great!

Sue
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:58 PM
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25. Yup. I know.
What was I thinking, thinking she was thinking. :D

But, I hope she gets a lot of calls and letters anyway.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:20 PM
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13. I heard that on Face the Nation this morning and wanted
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 12:21 PM by in_cog_ni_to
to slap the shit out of the wench. She CLEARLY talks out of both sides of her mouth. She made NO sense whatsoever! She will vote to oppose ScAlito in committee because "he clearly doesn't support abortion, he's another Scalia", but she just doesn't see any support for a filibuster? Huh? OMG!:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:34 PM
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38. My letter to Feinstein--roughly from memory
While I am not a constituent of yours, I feel I must write. I have a lot of friends and family who reside in CA who are as concerned as I am about your recent comments on the Sunday morning talk show (1/15/06). You made an excellent point about what is at stake here with the Alito nomination. You made mention of potential imbalance of powers between the branches of our government (i.e., unitary executive that empowers the Executive) and then, almost in the same breath you said there was no glaring reason to filibuster Alito!

What a grave error you are making in not filibustering this nomination! You are essentially neutering (your own) Congressional authority if Alito is confirmed (not to mention, guaranteeing your own defeat, as I doubt your constituents will support you any longer if you don't filibuster).

If Alito, an advocate of unitary executive (as are Scalia, Roberts, Thomas and possibly Kennedy) is confirmed, you might as well kiss our democratic Republic goodbye and crown Bush as King of the United States of Fascist America.

Sincerely,
Emit

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:15 PM
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7. I wish I could convince you all to cancel your satellite and cable feeds
and any subscriptions to Right wing rags.

Any time I watch mainstream TV news or commentary, I get so upset, because what I'm seeing isn't what's really going on. The media are pure, unadulterated whores.

They get no space or time in my home. Make the motherfuckers obsolete. Stop tuning in, stop paying them, stop buying products from their sponsors. When only the Sheep are watching, they will understand that we mean business.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:19 PM
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11. The NYT is my one MSM indulgence....
I get it for the book review, travel section, some of the other cultural stuff that my local laughable rag doesn't offer on Sundays.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:31 PM
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16. I understand
the need for indulgence. But imagine if every progressive stopped buying the NYT.

Imagine the power in that? Imagine if every progressive called their cable or dish provider in the morning and said, "You know what? Most of the channels you carry are no more than rightwing tools, and I refuse to support them in any way, any more."

If only the Righties listen to their drivel, the rest of us - who get our news from DU and progressive websites and radio - could just look at them when they spout some RW talking point and say "Huh?"

They'd be preaching to the choir of bigots, while the rest of us have lowered blood pressure, all the facts, and more money in our pockets.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:42 PM
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18. agreed, 100 percent....
Turn OFF your TVs, first and foremost. There are lots better ways to keep yourself entertained, and it sure is refreshing not being lied to 24/7.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:48 PM
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22. It sure is refreshing!
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 12:50 PM by buddyhollysghost
I lose too much energy getting upset over MSM bullshit. Look, peeps, these media outlets are your ENEMY. They are protecting ** and the Corporations, and convincing many Americans that this is allright, All-American.

If Hitler were orchestrating the media, would you pay for cable then? Would any of you feel right sending your hard-earned $$ to the Nazi party? When you pay for cable or satellite, you are only putting more $$$ in the Repuke, Neocon coffers.

Not me. Not ever.

Just say NO to the MSM. Make the motherfuckers and their corporate sponsors OBSOLETE.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:19 PM
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10. Do yourself a favor and DO NOT watch any of the Sunday talk shows
or your head will freakin' explode.

I listened to a little bit of Wolf and Geroge Stephanopolous and then switched the channel to Animal Planet. Much better.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:28 PM
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14. I'm afraid we are going to have to sit here for three more years.........
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 12:43 PM by Double T
until we can replace 'the go along to get along' collective body currently known as and representing the Democratic Party. I want to vote for Democrats with GIANT teeth and LARGE brass balls that will stand up and ask the tough questions. When the answer from a SCOTUS rethug nominee is continually 'stare dec isis' you can bet the REAL truth about the way they feel about an issue and the decision they would render is NOT what 'we' want to hear or support. Welcome to the United States of Neocons; of the Neocons, by the Neocons and for the Neocons.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:32 PM
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17. Then get involved with your party NOW.
Or get involved with PDA (http://www.pdamerica.org) or one of the other Progressive groups working to fix our party. Do something instead of just holding your breath and wishing you could "vote for Democrats with GIANT teeth and LARGE brass balls that will stand up ask the tough questions." MAKE IT HAPPEN. If not you, who? If not now, when?

Never Give Up.


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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:54 PM
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24. Who's giving up??? I petition, I write letters, I vote...............
but I might as well go bang my GD head :banghead: against the wall; 'cause the Democrats that are representing 'us' are doing a piss poor job. So I will continue to do what have ALWAYS done, but you and I both KNOW that ALL the REAL problems and trouble started when bushco stoled(X2) the WH.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:18 PM
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29. I didn't say sign petitions or write letters. Our fucking DEMOCRACY is...
...at stake here. Either we up the ante or we PERISH.

NGU.


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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:43 PM
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19. Don't shoot the messenger
The headline is correct. Alito is all but in.
This Democratic party will, once again, do nothing about it.
Personally, I love Rich's column and it's the first read on Sunday for me. But who cares anyway?
He, and other liberal writers, are just preaching to the choir. The Times had an editorial today criticizing the "Imperial Presidency". Who cares?
It is simply astounding to me after all of the incompetence, the lies, high crimes, etc., etc. that NOTHING is done about it. We've lost the freakin' country and yet the windbags keep on singing.
The Times is as guilty as the rest of the media for letting this happen, but for now, they are just telling those of us swept away - which way the wind is blowing.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:45 PM
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20. The New Whore Times is hardly a "messenger" anymore. They're the prime...
...manipulator among the Corporate Media.

Why, by the way, do you promote the idea that the Times is a "liberal" paper? Hmmmm?...

NGU.


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Loge23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 02:59 PM
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33. ??
Hmmm, I didn't promote the Times as a liberal paper.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:54 PM
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23. They would lose, and it would make Bush look stronger just as we have him
on the ropes. It's never a good idea to make your opponent look like a winner over a losing issue. Bush's poll numbers would jump, the media would call him the "Comeback Kid," and the Repubs would retake some momentum going into 2006.

But I guess it's all worth losing in 2006 so we can all feel that little ego boost for a few hours before the Repubs take away the filibuster and win anyway.

BTW, it's not over. Reid hasn't met yet to decide strategy. If he can find the numbers to keep a filibuster from being a total disaster, he will try it. And Gore's speech on Monday (no coincidence, if I know Gore). But if Reid's numbers prove it will be a disaster, he will avoid the disaster. You do realize that Reid and Frist will know the outcome of the votes before they actually call for the vote, right? The floor vote is just for show, the real business is done behind the scenes long before anyone steps on the floor.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:01 PM
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26. I've heard this before from DUers, on each of Bush's dreadful nominees.
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 01:10 PM by Peace Patriot
On torture memo writer and Bush Cartel toady Alberto Gonzales. One illegal war designer and Chevron toady Condoleeza Rice. On corporate shill John Roberts. And now on rightwing, fascist stealth candidate Alito. The end of our democracy.

My friends, what do you expect from a President and a Congress selected by Diebold and ES&S? What do you expect from votes tabulated with "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, controlled by Bushite corporations, with virtually no audit/recount controls?

These Bush appointments are not the end our our democracy. Non-transparent, unverifiable elections are the end of our democracy. Secret programming code whirring away inside of black boxes 'tabulating' our votes is the end of our democracy. Our loss of our right to vote, and, consequently, our loss of our sovereignty as a people, is the end of our democracy.

There are ways to get around, to weaken and/or to impeach a criminally appointed Supreme Court IF WE CAN RESTORE OUR RIGHT TO VOTE!

FDR faced the same problem over the New Deal--a rightwing Supreme Court from the previous era of robber baron looting and financial meltdown, that kept ruling against his critically needed New Deal programs. The number of Supreme Court justices is not fixed in the Constitution, so FDR tried to increase that number in order to infuse the Supreme Court with new blood. The rightwing press called it "packing the Supreme Court," and FDR lost that fight; however, the pressure on the Supreme Court caused one justice to change his mind on New Deal programs. Thus, Social Security (among other things) was saved.

The number of Supreme Court justices is still not set at 9. And it would still be perfectly legal for Congress to increase it.

And there are other strategies, including amending the Constitution to deny Supreme Court justices life terms, to make them electable, to broaden the causes for impeachment, and impeachment under current statutes. And there are legislative routes to take--as well as Constitutional routes--to enact reforms that circumvent the Supreme Court.

All possible IF WE RESTORE OUR RIGHT TO VOTE. Because you know what? There is a great progressive MAJORITY in this country that few are aware of, and that is rarely commented upon. Read the issue polls! You will be amazed. Huge majorities--way up in the 60% to 70% range--opposed to every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic. Across the board in all polls, over an extensive period. The Iraq war. Torture. Social Security. The deficit. Women's rights. You name it. And that's not even to mention Bush's and Cheney's miserable approval ratings for two years now.

Restore our right to vote and we will see not just Democrats, but LEFTIST Democrats, sweep the White House, Congress and every other center of power outside the Supreme Court. That is WHY they took our right to vote away! Because we are a progressive country with strong LEFTIST (best good for the most people) leanings.

This progressive/leftist majority has been depressed and demoralized. For one thing it largely doesn't REALIZE that it is the majority--due to the illusion created by the war profiteering corporate news monopolies who give a BIG TRUMPET to the rightwing, way out of proportion to its numbers. Those same news monopolies also DOCTORED their own exit polls, late on election day 2004, on everybody's TV screens, ALTERING the exit poll numbers (Kerry won) to "fit" the results of Diebold's and ES&S's secret formulae (Bush won)--thus denying the American people major evidence of election fraud, and squelching protests and calls for investigation. And virtually no one in the corporate news monopolies, or in the Democratic Party, has spoken of THAT fraudulence, let alone of the non-transparency and FRAUDULENCE of our election SYSTEM, put into place during the 2001-2004 period with a $4 billion boondoggle from Bush's Congress.

You want to see the corporate news monopolies busted up? RESTORE TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS!

You want to see a New Deal for the 21st century? RESTORE TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS!

You want to see an end to the unjust, murderous, illegal war in the Middle East, real fast? RESTORE TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS!

You want to see Democrats become peaceniks and leftists real fast? RESTORE TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS!

You want to see the military budget cut by 90% and reconfigured into a truly defensive posture, thus depriving fascists of the constant temptation of an large OFFENSIVE military machine? RESTORE TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS!

You want to know why our nation's capitol had no air defense on 9/11? RESTORE TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS!

You want to see women's rights protected, and separation of church and state? RESTORE TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS!

You want to see universal health care? RESTORE TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS!

You want to see responsible, Constitutional government--a government of laws not men--and responsible, financial policy, instead of a dictator and a trillion dollar deficit? RESTORE TRANSPARENT ELECTIONS!

You want us to get our country back?

Throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!





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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:04 PM
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27. dems ar in minority. repug playing a game and people following it
this is all about saying, see you insignificant dem, you couldnt beat a repug. well handicap the competitor enough, they wont win the competition. they are creating this to instilll and promote weak dem, which that label has been attached and promoted by repugs and media so much that our dems on tis board say that stupid shit, regardless of what a dem does. or the american people actually vote for a stupid ass repug, and i mean stupid, because the think dem is weak. get out of the fog

dems arent weak. they arent in majority either. to say they failed to stop bush, while they are in majority is outrageous. and anyone competitive can see this.

but still..... we the americna people will fall for it. creating dem just that much more weak
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 01:34 PM
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31. The truth hurts.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:13 PM
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34. Reid is quiet.
But he was a boxer. I don't know what he's cooking but there is something going on in the kitchen.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 03:34 PM
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37. The Medias job is to promote defeat and powerlessness in Americans
There is no other reason to print things like this, is there?

The vote has not been cast, its a week away. The Democrats have not only mentioned a possible delay on the vote, they have stated repeatedly that all options on still on the table.

And yet the Media continues to still push stories such as this.



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