I am old and tired. I have enough experience

[Road Scholar]

to see some things that are predictable. Our enemy has always been Ignorance, incompetence and indifference. Too many weak minded have become addicted to the Kool-aid.I believe that victory will come, but not without a bloody mess.

[TomClash]

1. sounds like you saw the film

Good Night and Good Luck

similar message

[Road Scholar]

2. No I didn't, but I think I should. I've heard it was good and real life.

[TomClash]

18. It is excellent - you would enjoy it nt

[WilliamPitt]

3. Name for me please

the times it has ever been different.

Don't say the 60s.

That was half a loaf.

[Road Scholar]

4. This is the closest to absolute power that I've ever seen.

With total control, what's to stop it? These times are the most threat to the constitution that has ever been.

[WilliamPitt]

5. Love the Times today

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/15/opinion/15sun2.html

[Road Scholar]

6. I can't believe the mind set of the Kool-aid addicts. They

are willing to fight and die for total bull shit. Totally resistant to logic
and reason, and very emotional. It's scary.

[KnaveRupe]

12. Funny, but I was just reading

this piece

http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2006/01/drink-entire.html

about the psychology of the Kool-aid drinkin' Rapture-wishin' Freeper types.


Excerpt:

"Both fundies and Republicans know how to directly appeal to people’s emotions. In fact, that’s their main appeal, since their actual policies and theology aren’t particularly sane or even attractive.


I come from a fundie family. I'm convinced a lot of fundies struggle with undiagnosed clinical depression. Fundies talk obsessively about Joy and Victory Through Christ and praising God. But God is not to be questioned and any anger at God is immediately shut-down. God is like the ultimate Bad Date or Bad Boss: a needy, egotistical, rageaholic Deity who needs needs constant adoration and is too fragile to handle the least bit of criticism. So we always had shut-up, suck up and give God lots of praise. You know, the old Praise Jesus Or He'll Torture You To Death in Hell.

...

As a fundie, once you've accepted Christ as you personal saviour and Lord, you're saved. You're a new person who puts on a happy face and talks about the joy, joy, joy, joy down in your heart.
But of course, all your old rage, fears and loathings don't go away. They just lie there in the dark. Which is why it's so easy to get fundies whipped up about liberals and gays and brown hordes coming across the border. It’s just redirected rage.

I'm now Episcopalian, so I regularly listen to Episcopalians shake their heads over the growth of conservative megachurches. I don't think evangelical churches---or the Republicans and the corporate media—have power because of their theology or politics. I think they get power because they emotionally engage people while mainline churches---and Democrats—don’t They talk feelings. We talk about intellectual stuff like policy.
"

I think the person who wrote this has it nailed.

[Road Scholar]

13. Exactly!

[awoke_in_2003]

16. You are just a little wrong...

they are not willing to fight and die for total bullshit. If they were, recruitment numbers wouldn't be so far down.

[Grateful for Hope]

8. I agree

particularly telling:

"Both of the offensive theories at work here - that a president's intent in signing a bill trumps the intent of Congress in writing it, and that a president can claim power without restriction or supervision by the courts or Congress - are pet theories of Judge Samuel Alito, the man Mr. Bush chose to tilt the Supreme Court to the right.

The administration's behavior shows how high and immediate the stakes are in the Alito nomination, and how urgent it is for Congress to curtail Mr. Bush's expansion of power. Nothing in the national consensus to combat terrorism after 9/11 envisioned the unilateral rewriting of more than 200 years of tradition and law by one president embarked on an ideological crusade."

[Road Scholar]

10. It is very, very scary.

I'm an optimist. Always have been.Had no choice and had to be to survive growing up.I know it sounds pessimistic, but I believe it will take nothing less than a revolution to reverse all this.

[WCGreen]

7. In the 1920's when the dust bowl started and the

farmers were forced off their lands...

No one cared...

The 1870's to the early 1900's when child labor was used to undercut the wages for adults...

No one cared...

When coal and copper miners were dieing in unsafe mines owned by Rockefeller and Carney...

No one cared...

When we interned thousands of Japanese American Citizens....

No one cared...

But when Natalie goes missing....

When a white woman is killed....

When a "celebrity" changes hairstyles, or spouse...

Then we care...

[Cassandra]

14. Actually, if no one had cared...

nothing would have changed. That things are starting to slide back shows that eternal vigilence is necessary, even on changes we thought were settled in law and custom.

[WilliamPitt]

15. I was gonna say...

But you said it. Thanks.

[WCGreen]

17. It took a long time for people to care....

That was the point...

Child Labor laws were not enacted until the 1900's...

The plight of the farmers in the 1920's was not noticed until the 1930's when that misery, like the workers, left the farm for the city...

The Japanese internment was not publicly repudiated until well after the final shots of WWII were fired...

Unfortunately for the miners, as witnessed by the lack of news on the ignoring of safety matters in the Sago mine disaster, they are still in the background...

So the point is that misery, injustice and disposing of constitutionally guaranteed rights seem to be tolerated until...

They hit main street...

I feel we are far from the tipping point...

But things could change in a matter of moments now can't they....

[bobalu]

19. The Sixties were great....

and I wasn't in grade school when it was happening.

:hippie:

[zippy890]

9. question - the bloody mess you speak of

do you mean in this country? do you think there will be
something akin to civil war?

[Road Scholar]

11. We will be lucky if it's only a political war. I just hope that is all

that it takes.