The men who killed JFK, RFK, & MLK, now rule the land

[mopaul]

I just call them 'the killers'

[ShockediSay]

1. Rogue Retired Right Wing CIA Types? n/t

[Octafish]

18. Yes. Here's what George HW Bush told the FBI about JFK assassination...

Within minutes of the President's murder, Poppy was on the horn to the Dallas FBI to rat on a College Republican. Why he didn't warn the FBI before the assassination, only God, Poppy and his closest associates know. Oh yeah. Poppy also mentioned he was in Dallas in this FBI memo from Novembde 22, 1963.



SOURCE: http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

MoPaul is absolutely correct. The turds who rule the country are killers.

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

51. Yes?

You're trying to say that you think Bush Sr. arranged the assassination of JFK because, in moments after Kennedy was shot, he remembered some half-baked conversation of J. Parrott he'd overheard, and because he drove to Dallas that day and/or immediately afterwards?

You think THAT proves it???

[Octafish]

55. Bush's warning of a possible assassin came about an hour AFTER...

...President John F. Kennedy was murdered.

If George Herbert Walker Bush was so concerned about President Kennedy's safety, he'd have warned the FBI BEFORE the assassination.

Get it?

What I write is what the official government record shows. In the following FBI memo, by J Edgar Hoover and from a week after the assassination, states a “Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency” reports that the anti-Castro (and largely anti-JFK) Cuban exile community in Miami said the assassination represents a “great loss” to the US and Latin America. The pro-Castro community, Bush apparently, says they “regret” the assassination.



The information above connects George CIA Bush with the assassination. For those interested in preserving democracy in the American republic, this shadow of the Bush Octopus over the United States goes a long way toward explaining what’s gone wrong in America since November 22, 1963.

There’s no indication of whether Poppy was there to supervise the triggermen, watch what happened or what. He's never explained these memos. He's never even admitted where he was the day JFK was killed.

Perhaps it’s about time someone asked him to explain. Especially seeing how his dim son is engaged in an transnational campaign of mass murder and destroying the planet, it's vitally important that George H.W. Bush tell the Truth.

Why does any of this matter? The United States and the world haven't been the same since that terrible day in Dallas. Not one major player among the nation's mass media have thought to question the Warren Commission and the official story. The nation’s media also have ignored the few political leaders who have stepped up and demanded a real investigation. So, it's up to us.

FYI: George HW Bush is a known associate of George de Mohrenschildt, Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend in Dallas.

Here's a good video, for those interested in learning more about Bush's connection to the JFK assassination (scroll down, it's the last title):

http://jackblood.netfirms.com/home/multimedia.shtml

Here are the memos, without all the tags and mimeograph blots:

TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY


At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

The BUSH-FBI memo from the next week...

Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #

BTW: If you're such a proud Democrat, why are you trying so hard to stay part of the party? The country needs Democrats now more than ever.

One last thing: Welcome to DU, aKinderGentlerDUer. Some catchy handle, yours.

EDIT: Two typos.

[FreedomAngel82]

66. Don't forget this

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

74. Who is that?

Didn't the police at the time take the names of those people?

[Warren DeMontague]

99. "Didn't the police at the time take the names of those people?"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Wow.. Seriously. You REALLY need to do some reading about the JFK assasination. They didn't even bother to find out who the "hobos" and "tramps" clomping around behind the fence at the top of the grassy knoll in new, expensive Italian shoes were.

[goclark]

98. Speak Octofish! Keep your eyes WIDE OPEN

and let those that wish to keep their Eyes Wide Shut do so.


With this gang of crooks installed in the WH, anyoe that doesn't have their eyes wide open to how they could have possibly gotten a hold on this ccountry is a lost cause.

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

72. So, if I'm understanding this correctly...

...you think Bush Sr. assassinated JFK because he made a phone call afterwards about a conversation he remembered overhearing, he drove to Dallas that day, and as head of the C.I.A., he had some intelligence about the feeling in the exile community about JFK's death...

[Octafish]

76. Where did I say Bush Sr assassinated JFK? I said he ratted to the FBI...

...his suspicions. I also said the FBI memos connect Bush with the assassination. For those interested in preserving democracy in the American republic, this shadow of the Bush Octopus over the United States goes a long way toward explaining what’s gone wrong in America since November 22, 1963.

There’s no indication of whether Poppy was there to supervise the triggermen, watch what happened or what. He's never explained these memos. He's never even admitted where he was the day JFK was killed.

Perhaps it’s about time someone asked him to explain. Especially seeing how his dim son is engaged in an transnational campaign of mass murder and destroying the planet, it's vitally important that George H.W. Bush tell the Truth.

DUer rainbow4321 wrote:

Bush family/Oswald's mutual friend George de Mohrenschildt

This may already be in this huge thread already but here are other links about it....hmmmmph.. Bush connections w/ this guy and then friends w/ Hinkley family.


http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/33rd_Issue/misc.html


More recently, California-based assassination historian Bruce Campbell Adamson published a ten-volume biography of the late CIA-connected Dallas petro-geologist George de Mohrenschildt. Adamson argues strongly that a relationship existed between the senior Bush and the shady international playboy de Mohrenschildt, who was widely regarded as Lee Harvey Oswald's best friend in Dallas during 1962 and '63.

"Former President George Bush has admitted to me that he had known George de Mohrenschildt since 1942," Adamson said, and that relationship continued into the mid-1970s. In addition, "Dimitri Von Mohrenschildt has written to me that Bush had employed George de Mohrenschildt during the 1950s in the oil industry."

After penning an unfinished study of Oswald called Patsy, DeMohrenshildt committed suicide in the spring of 1977, shortly before he was slated to testify before the House Select Committee on Assassinations.


http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKdemohrenschildt.htm


In 1939 he went to work for Humble Oil, a company founded by Prescott Bush. In October, 1962 De Mohrenschildt became friends with Lee Harvey Oswald in Fort Worth. He suggested that Oswald should move to Dallas. In February, 1963 he introduced Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald to Ruth Paine. On 24th April, 1963, Marina and her daughter went to live with Paine. Oswald rented a room in Dallas but stored some of his possessions in Ruth Paine’s garage. Ruth also helped Oswald to get a job at the Texas Book Depository



In 1963 De Mohrenschildt moved to Haiti. After the assassination of John F. Kennedy De Mohrenschildt was recalled to America to testify before the Warren Commission. He was asked about the claim of Marina Oswald that he knew about Oswald's attempt to kill General Edwin Walker. After giving evidence he returned to Haiti.

De Mohrenschildt returned to the United States in 1977. He approached Edward Jay Epstein complaining that he was short of money. Epstein offered him $4,000 for an interview. During their talks De Mohrenschildt admitted that in 1962 he had been contacted by J. Walton Moore, who was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt was asked by Moore to find out about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In return he was given help with an oil deal he was negotiating with Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator. In March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the contract from the Haitian government. He had assumed that this was because of the help he had given to the CIA.

On 29th March, 1977, Epstein and De Mohrenschildt, broke for lunch and decided to meet again at 3 p.m. George De Mohrenschildt returned to his room where he found a card from Gaeton Fonzi, an investigator working for the Select House Committee on Assassinations. George De Mohrenschildt's body was found later that day. He had apparently committed suicide by shooting himself in the mouth.

Original DU Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3274455

Gee. The facts tie Bush to the assassination. You write like Bush has nothing to hide.

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

78. As an aside...

How much of all this do you think Papa Kennedy knew about? And what do you think his motivation was for sealing the records behind the investigation for 50 years?

[Octafish]

79. Are you talking about Joseph Kennedy, Sr.?

If so, he was out of government for many years and his health was failing. His third son, Robert, remained as Attorney General for less than a year after the assassination. He did not have the power to seal the records.

BTW: When RFK ran for President, he indicated he would re-open the case. He thought only the power of the presidency could reveal the truth.

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

80. Interesting...

Yes, I thought daddy Kennedy had had the Warren report sealed. I wondered at the access Ted or even John-John might've had to it later...

[A-Schwarzenegger]

81. The Warren Report "sealed" by Pop?

The WR was not sealed and Pop was out of commission
before John was assassinated, according to Demopedia:
"On December 19, 1961, Kennedy suffered a greatly disabling stroke which made movement and communication extremely difficult and limited until his death."

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

86. I thought...

...that Joe Sr. was fairly with it until a little before Mary Jo and Ted...

[DemonFighterLives]

91. Bringing up Teddy and Mary Jo will not help your case

I'm still interested in your sources?
Maybe World Net Daily or Newsmax? Maybe Rush limbaugh or other Hate Radio?

:hangover:

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

97. Sources

I don't listen to Rush Windbag, so I have no idea what he thinks about Mary Jo and Ted, or anything else. You could probably go to his website and read more--I'm assuming he has archives or something. I don't listen to the radio, either.

As far as NewsMax or World Net, I haven't seen much about Chappaquiddick either--and I'm not sure they'd be the best source for that kind of thing, anyway.

As far as anything I've said about Joe Sr. and the assassination of JFK, I never presented myself as any authority on the subject. I was referring back to my MEMORIES of the 60's that certainly could be faulty--and probably are. That's why I was kicking the subject around--to learn more and see what other people remembered.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

123. Somehow, your protestations of innocence are not ringing true.

[DemonFighterLives]

90. The Warren Report is online

I don't see the mystery with that. The problem is that it was a whitewash, fine for reading but not worth much.
As with the current 911 Commission, supposedly a great read, but I wouldn't waste my time with the lies.
Bush Knew= People Died

[A-Schwarzenegger]

102. As is the testimony of WC & ARRB witnesses & more, HERE:

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/wit.htm

[DemonFighterLives]

109. Thank You!

:thumbsup:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

121. Joseph Kennedy had nothing to do with sealing anything associated....

...with the Warren Report. He didn't have the power to do anything of the kind.

[Geek_Girl]

110. Poppy wasn't head of the CIA until 1976

But according to Hoover's memo he was in the CIA at the time. Though Poppy would never admit it. JFK had purged several top CIA officials so there was definitely motive and I believe only the CIA could have pulled off the assassination cover up.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

120. The CIA execs that were purged because of the Bay of Pigs fiasco....

...including Dulles, Bissell, and General Charles P. Cabell. Cabell is doubly interesting becuase of the fact that his brother, Earle Cabell, was the mayor of Dallas from 1961-1964.

General Cabell's rather interesting biography can be found at the following link:

<http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/cpcabell.htm>

Here's a quote:

In the 3 years before his death, General Charles P. Cabell, the CIA's longest serving DDCI (under DCI Allen Dulles), wrote his memoirs. For family reasons which his son explains in his preface, they were not published until 1997 and have only recently come to AFIO's attention. General Cabell (West Point, Class of 1925) tells of his career as an advisor to Hap Arnold, B-17 bomb wing commander, D-Day planner, Director of Operations and Intelligence in the Mediterranean theater, his presence at the Yalta and Potsdam conferences, Director of Air Force Intelligence, Director of the Joint Staff for the JCS, and DDCI.

More than 100 pages are devoted to his CIA service, and of particular interest here are his candid comments about the Bay of Pigs operation in which he was directly involved. His assessment of the reasons for its failure are dispassionate, but do not mince words. General Cabell had a fascinating and rewarding career. His book is a valuable contribution to the history of Air Force intelligence and the early years of the CIA.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

119. He wasn't head of the CIA when JFK was killed. You should know that....

...but you should also know that his CIA contemporaries during the late 1950s-1960s were people like E. Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, and Bernard Barker. They were ALL involved in the Bay of Pigs Operation, and all but GHWB was involved in Watergate. A number of people involved in Iran-Contra were ALSO involved in the early days of the anti-Castro Cuban activities.

GHWB was involved in Dallas because of the following:

1. The CIA codename for the Bay of Pigs Operation was "Operation Zapata";

2. Two of the Navy landing craft requisitioned by the Bay of Pigs operational planners were repainted and renamed to the "Houston", and the "Barbara";

3. We also know from documentation at the time that GHWB was stationed in Houston, Texas. Every major Gulf Port was involved in the anti-Castro Cuban operations being conducted at that time.

GHWB was in Dallas on November 22, 1963, as was Nixon, one of the architects of the Bay of Pigs Operation. Both denied, or claimed they forgot, where they were on November 22, 1963. Nixon finally admited to it when he was confronted with his airline travel plans for that day. Babs, of all people, spilled the beans about she and Poppy being in Dallas the day of the assassination.

If the story describing a meeting at the house of a Big Oil owner on the evening of November 21, 1963, is correct, plans for JFK's assassination and post-op activities were reviewed. Attending this meeting were the following people: Nixon, Hoover, some senior military officers, two or more recently fired CIA executives, some then-current CIA operatives, Big Oil executives, and a late arrival, LBJ. LBJ allegedly told a close confidant after the meeting on November 21, 1963, that they would not have to worry about JFK "after tomorrow".

[FreedomAngel82]

65. There's a lot more than that

You have to start with Prescott Bush and also Operation Northwoods. Wherever there is a scandal there is a Bush.

[LittleClarkie]

108. And Arlen Spector covered for him with the single bullet theory?

Do I have that right?

[Octafish]

114. Specter covered up for the US Government.

In the days after the assassination, there was a fear that if the public were to discover a connection between "the Communist lone-nut Oswald" and the Soviets or the Cubans. If that were to happen, the populace would go ape and demand World War III.

To prevent war, a cover story was needed to be used on the Warren Commission and all government types who understood the assassination was the work of professionals. The cover-up artists said that there was evidence of conspiracy, and it looked like the assassination was the work of the commies.

So, Specter made the evidence fit the assassination story. Someone in the CIA provided "evidence" just for that occassion, telling the Warren Commission they had photos and voice recordings of Oswald in Mexico City. In reality, the photos were of some still unidentified Tony Soprano type and that of someone they knew -- at the time -- wasn't Oswald. So yes, the government knew what the heck they were lying about and Specter helped fit the facts to the lie.



Guess which bullet is the one Specter said caused at least seven wounds in two men, striking bones and leaving sizable fragments?

Hint: It's the one with the least damage and physical deformities.

[Swamp Rat]

2. Y'all haven't seen nuthin' yet.

Jus' wait 'till 'reconstruction' comes to yo' hometown.

[KarenS]

3. They brought us 9/11 too,,,,,

and neverending War.

B*st*rds.

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

4. Murderers?

I'm not sure hyperbole helps your case any...

[mopaul]

5. yes, fucking mass murderers

my case? my case? fuck that, hyperbole is what i have for breakfast every morning, don't like it, don't look.

[H2O Man]

10. I think it helps.

I find Mopaul's posts to be among the very best on DU. When I first was exposed to his style, there were a few times I found it shocking. But that shock can lead one to examine their previously unexamined assumptions. And that, I realize, is the goal. Write on, Mopaul!

[Roho]

82. You Sir

Are the reason I took the plung and signed up.

Mopual is awesome too.

as you were...

[DemonFighterLives]

92. Welcome to DU!

A friend of H20 is a friend of mine.
:pals:

[truth2power]

21. What Mopaul said. n/t

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

37. Fine.

It just doesn't make you believable, that's all.

[DemonFighterLives]

42. Why should we believe you?

Your posts aren't convincing.

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

45. It's a matter of logic...

If you don't see how exaggerating the truth, embellishing the facts that are known, and/or promulgating something as having happened absent any firm proof, or ample documentation, makes it hard to believe anything you say, then I'm not sure anything WOULD convince you.

[DemonFighterLives]

47. And what does it take to convince you

That most witnesses have been slaughtered and the truth hidden and whitewashed over. It is tough to bring the truth forward when your witnesses keep getting killed.
If you don't think it is a little suspicious that all these leaders got killed, you have a lot of catching up to do.


Welcome to DU!

Logic says it was a conspiracy, and as far as JFK is concerned, the Select Committee on Assassinations said it was too.

Where do you get all your info?

Edit: Spelling/etc

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

48. It's not wrong to ask for evidence...

...and have that evidence substantiated. I've been reading here for over a year and I see WAY too many posts that assume things that have not been proved. That's fine, of course, if you choose to believe them--but that in itself doesn't make them true.

(And I get my info from ALL over, not from any one source or, necessarily, the same sources, from one day to the next.)

[DemonFighterLives]

50. You are too kind and gentle on this administration

People assume things happened because all the circumstantial evidence points that way. Just because a cover up and whitewash have occured does not make the conclusion true.

What kind of sources?

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

52. How do you know...

...that they are a 'cover up' and 'whitewash' if you have no evidence that refutes them? In that case, wouldn't you be ASSUMING that they are a cover up?

[DemonFighterLives]

54. There is much out there that refutes them

One only needs to look around.
Start here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=133897&mesg_id=133897

[FreedomAngel82]

67. There's plenty of proof out there

You have to look for it and want to see it.

[IChing]

68. "I want a kinder, gentler nation." GHW Bush

"It's a very good question, very direct, and I'm not going to answer it."
GHW Bush
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/g/george_h_w_bush.html

[mopaul]

43. in america, you can believe any fucking thing you want

even that oswald acted alone, and that our govt. didn't kill kennedy or anyone else, ever.

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

46. Yes, that's true.

And that is the difference between fairy stories and conclusions substantiated with facts.

[mopaul]

49. (insert kissing sound here)

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

53. Aw...I don't kiss and tell! ;-)

[Warren DeMontague]

84. Exactly! Which I why I want evolution taught in science classes, and not

bullshit like "Intelligent Design".

But, All those Dinosaurs on Noah's Ark Aside... if you want a REAL "Fairy Story", read the Warren Report and the astounding, time-and-space-bending magic Oswald supposedly accomplished with a shitty rifle and three bullets (one of which hit the pavement).

Or, continue to live in the comfort of the big, cheap lie.

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

87. I agree..

To me, evolution is something that, many times, can be proven or seen, measured, documented. Sunday School is the place for religious instruction, if parents want to send their kids there--in schools, I want SCIENCE taught.

And, yes, Warren was a piece of manufactured stagecraft--we've never heard the truth.

[Catrina]

93. True, which is why a majority of people do not believe the unsubstantiated

fairy tale they were told about the JFK assassination. Or 9/11 eg. Of course if you can offer substantiation for either one, feel free to produce it. I have seen none whatsoever so far for 9/11.

Funny how willing people are to believe every word they are told by the government, without a shred of proof! But, I could have missed it, especially regarding 9/11!

Other federal fairy tales include 'Saddam Hussein had WMD'. A lot of people believed that fairy tale also, even in the face of contrary claims by some very credible people. I do remember being admonished for choosing not to believe anyone associated with a member of the Bush family regarding that also and told 'you don't sound credible'.

I feel quite vindicated now. It's getting harder for them to lie now. We are all a little more cynical than we were before their lies began to unravel.

One of their more recent fairy tales was the Jessica Lynch story. However, they didn't count on the honesty of the soldier herself.

You must not have heard of the Rendon Group?

Interesting name, btw. A nice tribute to Bush Sr. Too bad he was lying then also.

Oh, and as for the word 'murder' being 'hyperbole'. I don't think so. How many dead Iraqis are there?

[WinkyDink]

63. Are you on the wrong board, defending Poppy?

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

73. Asking for accurate info isn't defending anybody.

How could I defend someone if I don't have the facts in the case yet?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

125. You're getting a lot of facts from posters in this thread....

...it's not our fault that you seem to have difficulty understanding those facts.

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

77. ???

Why are you all so allergic to answering a question? And why does my answer have to be the same as yours?

Questions are just WORDS on a page--that's all, just words. It's not the end of the world. You can handle ANY question by simply saying 'I disagree'. Simple.

I consider DU to be the best Democratic party site. It's big, it's got a lot of members and services--and it probably attracts a lot of people who come to read here, but not necessarily post. Thus, you all are kind of the bellwether for the Democratic party.

Well, considering all that, what do you think this fear of questions that is evidenced here looks like? The red staters are always going on and on about 'protecting this country'. Well, how strong do Democrats look if we can't even handle an anonymous question on message board chat?

[Name removed]

124. Deleted message

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[The_Mule]

100. This is the best post yet in 2006!

"Hyperbole is what I have for breakfast...", great line, mopaul!

:thumbsup:
:yourock:

[rman]

8. Do you think JFK, RFK, MLK were killed legitimately?

[DemonFighterLives]

17. Coincidence?

Your blinders don't help your case.
:dem:

[Octafish]

20. "30,000 dead Iraqis -- more or less"

That's what Bushler said. These all were innocent people -- who had nothing to do with 9-11.

Of course, other estimates give the number of Iraqi dead at more than 100,000 people. Men, women and children who would be alive today if not for the warmongering mass murderer George Walker Bush.

[Swamp Rat]

89. So when do we put the "mass" in "murder?"

How can we quantify "mass" in order to call it "mass murder?"

3,000+ in the WTC - I'd call that mass murder of Americans by terrorists.

30,000+ dead Iraqi civilians, and 2,000+ American soldiers - What do we call this massive slaughter?

The current war in Iraq is illegal and based on false pretenses, so therefore each death should be considered a murder. Put them all together and we have "mass murder."

At least 30,000+ are of Arabic descent and are Muslim. A case could be made to call it "genocide."

[mopinko]

32. it's not hyperbole if

it's fucking true.
right on mopaul.

[aKinderGentlerDUer]

40. However, that's such a big 'if'.

It's not fair to lie about someone (whether you assume they are lying about you, or someone you support, or not.)

[mopinko]

58. care to add some facts to the discussion?

since you don't like the current direction of the thread?
i hope you can stay kinder and gentler once you have really gotten to the bottom of the story.
i highly recommend the book discussed downthread- john perkins, "confessions of an economic hitman".
i would also like to quote eisenhower here- "the people want peace so much that one day government will have to get out of the way and let them have it."
it is hard to foist war on the people. it takes lies, dirty trick, arm twisting, blackmail and yes, murder.
read some history, there. you will see.

[Mr_Spock]

39. Yes, they are mass murderers

There are times when venting about what these people are doing is OK - is that a problem?

[Geek_Girl]

111. This isn't about making a case

This isn't a debate about policy or ideology. It's about finding out the truth.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

122. Your alleged lack of knowledge about the events surrounding the...

...JFK assassination aren't helping your case at all.

[Missy M]

6. and they are trying to rule the rest of the world too.

[Talismom]

7. Don't forget Paul Wellstone! They did him and much of his family in too!nt

[journalist3072]

23. Can I just say...

That we need to be careful about this kind of stuff. Now, I do find it very coincidental that both Mel Carnahan and Paul Wellstone died so close to elections.

But so far, until I see evidence otherwise, it's just that: a coincidence.

We need to be careful about this kind of conspiritorial stuff.

I did not like it one bit when the Republicans started saying that President Clinton had Ron Brown killed.

So I think WE need to be careful as well.

[EFerrari]

25. Have you read, Confessions of an Ecomonic Hitman? n/t

[journalist3072]

27. No, I haven't. Can you please tell me

Who the author is, and what the book is all about?

I would love to purchase it and read it.

[EFerrari]

28. Link to his site:

http://www.johnperkins.org/

John was just on BookTv -- you may want to check Viva's thread in GD to see if his segment will be repeated.

In short: John used to work for the corporatists. When there was a newly democratically elected president in say, a South American country, he'd go in and get them to play ball. He describes two briefcases. One with a brazilion dollars and one with a gun in it. He's tell the president, work with us. If you don't, there's a bullet in that gun with your name on it.

If the guy capitulated, the corporatists were happy although there was blowback -- as in Saudi Arabia and BinLaden.

If the guy holds out, Perkins says, "the jackals" go in and kill him. That's corporate interests and CIA, others.

If both fail, our military goes in -- as in Iraq.

He is a very compelling speaker, and also offers some interesting solutions to disrupting this system.

:)

[Cooley Hurd]

44. You know, I'm going to buy that book today...

Your summation reminds me of the famous scene in The Godfather (so much of what the B(ush)F(amily)E(vil)E(mpire) does reminds me of The Godfather, in one way or another) in which Michael explains to Kay who Luca Brasi is:

MICHAEL: Well, when Johnny was first starting out, he was signed to this personal service contract; with a big band leader. And as his career got better and better, he wanted to get out of it. Now, Johnny is my father's godson. And my father went to see this band leader, and he offered him $10,000 to let Johnny go. But the band leader said no. So the next day, my father went to see him; only this time with Luca Brasi. And within an hour, he signed a release, for a certified check for $1,000.

KAY: How'd he do that?

MICHAEL: My father made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

KAY: What was that?

MICHAEL: Luca Brasi held a gun to his head, and my father assured him that either his brains -- or his signature -- would be on the contract... That's a true story.

Thanks for the summation!:thumbsup:

[rman]

30. interviews with John Perkins on Democracy Now:

Tuesday, November 9th, 2004
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/09/1526251&mode=thread&tid=25


Friday, December 31st, 2004
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/31/1546207&mode=thread&tid=25


Tuesday, May 17th, 2005
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/17/1420232&mode=thread&tid=25


Tuesday, January 3rd, 2006
Former “Economic Hit Man” John Perkins on “The First Truly Global Empire” and its Impact on Latin America
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/03/1435206&mode=thread&tid=25

[Peace Patriot]

9. ?????????????????????

John F. Kennedy: refused to invade Cuba, prevented nuclear war during the Cuban missile crisis, and signed executive orders to withdraw US military 'advisers' from Vietnam.

Bang, bang, shoot, shoot.

Martin Luther King: came out publicly against the Vietnam war, against the advice of "centrists."

Bang, bang, shoot, shoot.

Robert F. Kennedy: running a highly successful, anti-war campaign for president; had just won the Calif primary.

Bang, bang, shoot, shoot.

-----

Result: Upwards of two million Vietnamese and Southeast Asians slaughtered; over 55,000 US soldiers dead, good war profits.

-----

Paul Wellstone: running a highly successful comeback campaign for US Senate, Senate leader of opposition to the Iraq war; antiwar campaign; great populist leader; likely presidential candidate for '04.

Plane falls out of the air for no reason. 2 topnotch pilots aboard. State-of-the-art plane. No other planes had trouble with the weather. FBI arrives on a time-line that indicates prior knowledge, confiscates all evidence, no public hearing. "Bad weather" meme goes into the corporate news monopoly newsstream, and is never questioned. (DoJ head Ashcroft appointed to DoJ after losing Senate election to dead Mel Carnahan, whose plane had also fallen out of the air.)

-----

Result: 100,000 innocent Iraqis slaughtered in the initial bombing alone (according to the British doctors' report), many tortured, several thousand US soldiers dead, at least ten thousand permanently wounded or poisoned, even better war profits.

-----

You be the judge.

[Peace Patriot]

11. Dates:

JFK: shot and killed in 11/63, prior to the escalation of the Vietnam war.

MLK: shot and killed in 03/68, mid-war (lots more war profits to be made)

RFK: shot and killed in 06/68, mid-war (lots more war profits to be made)

PW: plane falls out of the sky for no reason in 10/02, prior to Iraq invasion (major war profiteering hogfest gearing up).

[AspenRose]

69. One correction

MLK died April 4, 1968.

Otherwise, excellent post.

[DemonFighterLives]

16. Good post!

The evidence is overwhelming!

[rman]

24. JFK fired CIA Director Allen Dullus

But hadn't realized some would remain loyal to- and keep following orders from Dullus. JFK also had fired Richard Bissell, CIA director of operations for the Bay of Pigs. In the 1930's and 1940's Dullus was a close business associate of Prescott Bush (who did business with the Nazi's during WW2).

JFK II: The Bush Connection
http://madcowpolitics.com/jfk2bb.wmv

[mom cat]

34. More on the Dulles brothers:

Here is an excerpt about Hitler's rise to power and the Dulled brothers:

Hindenburg had also avoided appoint Hitler as chancellor twice before January 1933. Even with the support of big business Hindeburg failed to appoint Hitler when the Nazis held more seats in the Reichstag than any other party.

It wasn't until after Hitler met in secret with von Pappen at the Cologne home of Baron Kurt von Schroder that Hindenburg would relent and appoint Hitler chancellor. The baron was the head of the international Schroder banking empire and had previously raised funds to pay off the Nazi's debt.

The secret meeting on January 4, 1933 allowed Hitler and von Pappen to work out their differences and to agree to a new cabinet under the direction of both. This secret meeting was the birthplace of the Third Reich.

However, there were two Americans that also were in attendance: John Foster Dulles and his brother Allen. The Dulles brothers were there as legal representatives for Kuhn Loeb Company, which had extended large short term credits to Germany. Their presence was to secure a guarantee of repayment from Hitler.

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/chpt1.htm

From The Nazi Hydra in America. There is a lot of BFFE in here.

[rman]

41. thanks

I think that secret meeting is featured in "Hitler: the rise of evil". I don't recall if the scene includes any US business men, i'll have to take another a look at it.

[Gman]

12. Truer words have never been spoken

It is true, they have prevailed.

[Vidar]

13. I fear you're right.

[chimpymustgo]

14. "Murderers" is right. Lying, cheating, stealing, MURDERERS!

This crowd doesn't play around. And I don't see how we dislodge them from power. They've got all 3 branches, the voting machines, the snipers, and an utter absence of morals.

[butterfly77]

15. We haven't seen nuthin yet!

If they start losing elections they will cause some type of catastrophe, because they are suppose to rule the world.( So they think)

[jimshoes]

19. And the possibility that

they had a hand in the killing of John Lennon is always in the back of my mind. John Lennon, the ultimate peace lover. The right despised him for that.

[Marleyb]

22. "How long will they kill our prophets

while we stand aside and look?"
Bob Marley

check out this MP3 of MLK, JFK etc set to Give peace a chance...
http://radio.indymedia.org/uploads/democracy-killed.mp3

These bastards got away with murder of America's heroes, and since then they have multiplied and taken over the entire country while America slept.
!!WAKE UP AMERICA!!

[EFerrari]

26. The Silent Majority: PR scam. Moral Majority: PR scam.

Republicans winning federal elections: PR scam.

Don't be taken in.

[donsu]

29. thank you mopaul truth teller

nt

[BigBearJohn]

31. Wow. You just knocked me between the eyes. Down with the count!

phew.... but you are 100% right.

[Charlie Brown]

33. and of course, John Lennon

All we are saying, is give peace a chance.

[Hapameli]

36. Of course, John Lennon... thank you for remembering him

http://www.john-lennon.net/whoauthorizedtheassassinationofjohnlennon.htm

[LaPera]

104. People refuse to look no further than what they are told...

They only want to believe the comfy robot reasons the complicit corporate media & the same fascist government agencies, now in firm control offer them.

[IChing]

59. Bob Marley we lost too

http://www.bobmarleymagazine.com/articles/blunt.htm

[Zinfandel]

103. Indeed, radicals, they could cause problems with the masses...

They needed to get rid of them all!

Make it easy for themselves, the neo-cons...

And here we are, and people are still afraid to acknowledge the obvious...Why, does it rock their world?

WELLSTONE!!!

[procopia]

35. Has anyone read this online book?

The Taking of America 1-2-3

http://scribblguy.50megs.com/takingof.htm

[Mr_Spock]

38. Yep.

They killed our leaders, now they rule the land.






How long?


How long?

[Octafish]

56. Video on BUSH-JFK connection...

DUer OmmmSweetOmmm turned me on to this:

http://www.internetbroadcasting.com/JFKII_the_bush/jfk_II.htm

It's a most outstanding viddy.

[Swamp Rat]

126. KICK! KICK! KICK! KICK!

KICK!

[donsu]

57. kicking for justice

nt

[JohnyCanuck]

60. MLK - Fatal Shot Came From a Different Direction.

MARTIN LUTHER KING - THE FATAL SHOT CAME FROM A DIFFERENT DIRECTION

In Memoriam: Ted Wilburn, the author of the piece which follows, passed away this morning, June 17, 2002. He had the courage not only to ask questions, but to find the answers when nobody else would.

<snip>

As part of the research, Ted Wilburn went back to the Lorraine Motel, to the very spot where Martin Luther King was shot, and took a photograph of the crime scene location that shows a great deal of the surroundings.



Indicated at left is the actual window of the rooming house from which the government maintains that James Earl Ray shot Martin Luther King.

A line has been drawn from the rooming house window back to the balcony on which the pointing witnesses were photographed. Note the end of the line near the fire extinguisher and the intersection of the line with the top of the pale blue door.

Using the fire extinguisher and the top of the door as landmarks, a line is drawn on a detail of the photo taken just moment after the shooting, indicating the direction back to the window of the rooming house.



As can be seen, NONE of the witnesses are pointing towards the window of the rooming house at 422 South Main Street!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE1/overlooked.html

[IChing]

61. Thanks, I haven't seen that Photo with the line of fire but knew

the whole thing stunk to high heaven.

[JohnyCanuck]

62. You're welcome n/t

[AspenRose]

70. I believe James Earl Ray.

eom

[FreedomAngel82]

64. Yep

:cry:

[RandomKoolzip]

71. A Quote from Jim DiEugenio:

"Imagine if you can, that if in the mid-1980's, at the height of the GOP revolution, Ronald Reagan, Pat Robertson, Newt Gingrich, and George Bush Sr. had all been assassinated in the space of five years. Would the Republicans and the media not suspect something more than coincidence or happenstance? Would their party and their causes be able to sustain the loss?....Would history not have been quite different?"

From The Assassinations,, pg. 638

[Zen Democrat]

75. See part of JFK II - The Bush Connection

http://www.jfkii.com/video.htm

This is a sample of the entire DVD, which is compelling to say the least.

The facts speak the truth. That that facts are not acknowledged by the powers that be speaks volumes about just who's in charge here.

[grasswire]

83. more names

Danny Casolaro
James A. Hatfield
Steve Kangas

And perhaps even John Kennedy Jr.

[Warren DeMontague]

85. Ah, they probably killed Bill Hicks, too.

That man knew TOO MUCH.

[deutsey]

96. I've thought it was an odd coincidence that he got cancer just as

he was beginning to receive wider public attention.

I'm probably being too paranoid (the man did smoke cigarettes the way the rest of us breathe air); even so, being the big conspiracy theorist that he was, I think it's quite a tribute to him to speculate about the possibility. Hicks himself would have done so, and given us a damn good laugh in the process.

RIP, Bill.

[BlueIris]

106. Yes, RIP. I miss him so.

Cancer was the murder weapon of choice for some members of that crew. And nothing is beyond them.

[banana republican]

88. Just two questions....

1) how did an individual whose father was convicted of trading with the enemy get appointed to the CIA ???


2) how did Prescott get elected to the senate after being convicted of trading with the enemy and loosing his ass??

[earth mom]

94. I hear ya. eom

[deutsey]

95. These comments by Jack Ruby have always haunted me:

Jack Ruby: Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occurred, my motives. The people had, that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world.

Reporter: Are these people in very high positions Jack??

Jack: Yes.

He also asserted:

"Well, you won't see me again. I tell you that a whole new form of government is going to take over the country, and I know I won't live to see you another time"

[Nikki Stone 1]

101. "I tell you that a whole new form of government is going to take over..."

"I tell you that a whole new form of government is going to take over the country"

Whoa!

[BlueIris]

105. No shit. And the Bush crew is more sensitive about this than ever.

It took me forever to figure out that these folks still consider this their Achilles' heel. Because, well, to those of us who know the truth, it's the most obviously vile evidence that they in no way support Democracy (or anything but themselves).

Seriously, kids, for those of you who are extra paranoid--I know bloggers who didn't hear a peep from anyone when they castigated the Administration and its supporters about things like election fraud, Iran, Katrina, etc., but found themselves on the business end of actual death threats when they posted meaningful information about the assassinations of the '60s, particularly those of the Kennedy brothers. I personally don't care what they might like to do to me, and will continue to post/e-mail as necessary, but then again, I don't have kids or a family to be concerned about. Just saying.

[Geek_Girl]

113. Wow that's kind of scary

:scared:

[Fovea]

107. I think of them as under the term they themselves

used to describe themselves when caught slipping out of the DNC headquarters in the Watergate Complex.

When asked their occupation by the DC police, one of the burglars referred to himself as a 'anti-communist.'

The next worst thing to losing your messiah is to lose your devil. The response to Humanism was the Burning Times. When the Anti-Communists lost the Red Menace, they found the Axis of Evil. They found the welfare queen, gay marriage, the Pagan invasion, and the Swift Boat cowardice. In short, they turned against everything not anti-communist and declared it anathema.

But what is anti-communism? It is the upside down ice cream cone of autocracy. It the bully-run playground writ obscenely large. It put simply is the faith that their people are the good people, and all other people are the axis of evil, or at least the wannabe axis of evil.

Anti-communism then, is ivy-league barbarism elevated to something that if you squint at it, and drink the kool-aid, resembles faith. The anti-communists stopped Mao Tse Tung from reaching detent with America before the Korean War, stopped Ho Chi Minh (a former American University student) from making the case for freedom for French Indochina, gave us the Bay of Pigs.

With this in mind, what would they not do for their faith? JFK? MLK? RFK? Anthrax to Daschle? Wellstone? None of these men were their kind of true believer.

Consider, after Nixon went to China, and Nixon was brought down by anti-commmunists in his plumbing company.

Also, consider that the traditional core philosophy of fascists was anti-communism.

[Geek_Girl]

112. IMHO The Bushes are just Foot Soldiers

They do the dirty work. But who are their masters? That's what I'd like to know. I guess it's the corporations. But if it is the corporations then we are all accountable, since we feed the beast everyday.

[parhelion]

115. Not really the corporations

It's a cabal of the richest and most powerful like the Bilderberg group who are the masters. Of course they own the corporations, so by extension you could say it's the corporations. But they are mostly old money and royalty. They have always done and will continue to do whatever is necessary to keep their wealth and power. It doesn't take a "tinfoil hat" to figure out that these people are calling the shots, and always have.

[Geek_Girl]

116. Thanks for the info

I thought this was interesting
Mark Warner and Vernon Jordan were on a list of attendees at the 2005 Beilderberg Meeting.
Hmm I wonder who our next president will be? :tinfoilhat:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees

[Clara T]

117. Yes

Look for Warner at your local political theatre.

He has been tapped and interviews well.

[parhelion]

118. Interesting

Thanks Geek_Girl and Clara T, I was not aware of Warner's Bilderberg connection. Not sure what to make of it. I guess that anyone with any serious political aspirations has to answer to the powers that be. When they don't tow the line, they become victims of "lone gunmen" or their planes fall from the sky. I do think that the BFEE fascists in charge now represent the purely evil side of the ruling elite, their hatchet men.

Great thread here, hats off to mopaul for starting it.

[H2O Man]

127. Good points.

L. Fletcher Prouty discussed the concept of the "power elite," or what Churchill called the "High Cabal," in his book "JFK."(1992) Prouty was the model for "Mr. X," the man on the park bench in Stone's movie "JFK," who was played by Donald Sutherland. I think that scene was the single most important in the movie. Prouty notes on page xxiii that "...one of the greatest strengths of this power elite is that they have learned to live anonymously."

A simple truth is that it is impossible to get a full view of a picture while standing within the frame. Thus, it is difficult to get an objective, accurate view of things like the deaths of JFK, MLK, RFK, and many more, as an American citizen. But if we do a simple exercise, it may help. For example, King taught a social gospel very similar to that taught by Archbishop Oscar Romero in El Salvador in the 1970s and '80s. It is known as "liberation theology." It poses a risk to the "power elite."

Romero was shot as he said mass. No one would take seriously a theory that the gunman was a "lone nut." The murder was bought and paid for by the power elite. In fact, the murder of Romero was paid for by "contributions" from two wealthy El Salvadoreans, Orlando De Sola and Juan Wright. And, simply put, this is the way it is done.

[BILL53]

128. Main reasons for the assassination:

Main reasons for the assassination:
(1) JFK had fired both CIA Director Allen Dulles (a high-level Freemason) and CIA Deputy Director General Charles Cabell. Additionally, JFK was in the process of transferring clandestine operations from the CIA to the Pentagon. This was to be accomplished through National Security Action Memorandum #55 that Kennedy had already signed. JFK had also threatened to "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces" shortly before he was assassinated.

(2) JFK had ordered the Treasury Department to print up "interest-free" money outside of the Federal Reserve. ((Note: Just like Lincoln had done during the Civil War.)) Thus JFK infuriated the "international banksters" who control the Federal Reserve.

(3) JFK and his brother (then Attorney General) Robert F. Kennedy (RFK) were pressuring the FBI (and J. Edger Hoover in particular) to go after Organized Crime. This infuriated both Hoover and Organized Crime leaders.

http://www.tacklingthetoughtopics.net/Eberhart/america_land_of_assassins.html