House Iraq War Debate Thread

[cali]

We're getting a preview of what both sides are going to say in the one minute speechs. Repubs: Zarqawi, Zarqawi, Zarqawi. Dems: A war premised on lies against a country that didn't strike out against us.

[cali]

1. kick- will the dems stand up to the

bullies on this? We'll find out whether house dems have the guts not only to speak out, but to vote either no or present.

[gratuitous]

2. I hope someone on the Democratic side

I hope someone on the Democratic side has the bad taste to note that this "debate" (as if something is going to be decided or changed) should have been held four years, thousands of lives, and billions of dollars ago.

[cali]

4. That's an important point

it should get made.

first dem up is McGovern of MA, a good choice. God, I hope he starts off strong. First repub out is Cole of OK blathering on about Zarqawi.

[Norquist Nemesis]

6. I hope they all walk in with hands tied and taped mouths!

Walk up to the microphone and mumble from behind the tape, shooting arrows with their eyes at the other side of the aisle!

[cali]

9. It would certainly make a point

but I want to know whether dems have the guts to really blast the war AND not vote for the resolution.

[cali]

13. Cheers to Louise Slaughter

for bringing this up. As she said, "it's surreal".

[genie_weenie]

3. If Wimpy Girlie Men Like Murtha had their Way

The Great And Powerful Zarqawi would still be killing. Why Zarqawi killed 7 men with one blow, used his telekinetic powers to bring down 5 US Peace-Copters and personally raped 411,637 Christian Women. And this is what we would have today if * did not lead us into Victory!


Oh and Jack Murtha is a pussy.

:sarcasm:

[Norquist Nemesis]

5. Don't forget the eight Generals that spoke out!

They want to cutnrun! Cutnrun! Cutnrun, I tell you! :sarcasm:

[genie_weenie]

7. Thanks! I forgot we were dealing with True Patriots

Ready to sacrifice your son, daughter, brother, uncle, wife and husband on the Altar of Democracy...

Down with Pacifists!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

8. McGovern saying this is not a "debate". Disresectful to the soldiers

and the House. I hope Walter Jones and Ron Paul give him three cheers (audibly). At least they joined him during the press conference yesterday.

[cali]

10. Now up: Castro's revolting nephew

Diaz-Balart, building boogymen and dredging up 9/11, and bully for pre-emptive war.

[Norquist Nemesis]

11. Skelton up now

"I stand second to no-one in supporting our troops."

[Norquist Nemesis]

12. Slaughter hitting 'em

Instead of having a debate about the War in Iraq, we're having a picnic!
"Alice in Wonderland things going on around here"

:rofl:

[cali]

14. Matsui bringing

up the building of permanent bases in Iraq, and advocating drawing down troops.

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. Getting heated for a whole two seconds there! WHEW!

Now Putnam UGH! Ack! :freak:

[cali]

16. Go Doggett!

Now that was a brilliant and scathing indictement of bush and the "radical idealogues". I particularly cheer his closing line about repudiating "the deadly pursuit of a desert mirage". And fuck Gingrey for his stupid bullshit repetition about dissent giving encouragement to our enemies.

[pberq]

21. Mcgovern - There will be no debate!

Let's not dignify this by calling this a debate - no ammendments allowed.

[pberq]

17. DeFazio giving them hell

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. Disappointed by Shays

But as usual, when it comes down to it, he folds and uses the power of the "in" crowd.

[pberq]

19. Rep. Ron Kind

We're being offered a political document. There is no debate. No ammendments allowed.

[Norquist Nemesis]

20. So, now they close. Ho-hum.

Closed rule. Off to the picnic.

[cali]

24. This is awfully depressing

as McGovern remarked, this is not a real debate, more like a special order speech.

[Norquist Nemesis]

28. Sure is deflating, isn't it. Dems should go ahead an pull their own

political stunt for the "talk-a-thon". Seriously, they should come with their hands tied up, or little straw-man dolls with elephant badges they can knock down. Or even tombstones that read "Democracy R.I.P."

edit to add: No doubt, the media will make a day out of it. But at the very least, the media will be saying "Democrats called Republican majority resolution a political stunt..." (which it is).

[Viva_La_Revolution]

22. McGovern

Once again the Repub. majority is failing to address this war with the seriousness it deserves.

[stephinrome]

23. We don't need therapy!

Best comment IMHO.

[pberq]

25. rep. Tom Cole (R)

"The Democrats haven't offered any ammendments, so how can we discuss them?"

Folks, is this true? A little help here from someone who is up on this.

[cali]

26. As I understnad it, it is not true

Rep. Kind was waving some papers around and saying he had it in print that the dems offered amenments.

[pberq]

27. McGovern just answered this by calling Cole on his BS

The fact is, an ammendment is not required to be submitted to the Rules Committee for it to be debated and voted on by the House.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

29. What is the Resolution they are voting on?

I slept in and missed it.

[Norquist Nemesis]

30. The GOP's "We support the troops and stay the course so shut up"

resolution. Closed rule "debate". No amendments allowed. GOP controlled cameras on CSPAN and Karl Rove with a big cheesy grin after another political pornography orgasm.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

31. ah, resolution on debate, ok

I thought for a minute it was the final vote.

[stephinrome]

32. Af-gas-istan

Did Hastert just call Afghanistan, Af-gas-istan?!

[Idioteque]

33. "Iraq Evil Freedom Reagan 9/11" n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

34. Skelton (D) up

This resolution before us is not what we requested, and not what we were told would be before us today.

Trying to blend together the Iraqi war and the war on Terror.

Mr. Speaker, these are two different and distinct wars.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

35. sent 2 letters to the Pres. before we invaded

detailing what the aftermath would be. WH sent over officials to say, "Ike, it'll be alright"

Well, and here we are.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

36. Hunter (R) says we did nothing after the Cole was hit

convienently skipped over the first WTC bombing to 9/11

[cali]

39. duncan hunter

pulled every old chestnut out of the hat in his transparent attempt to demonize dems who oppose the war.

Waxman up now talking about Halliburton's cheating ways.

[Greeby]

37. Oh here we go

It's all the Clenis' fault! :eyes:

[shadowknows69]

38. waxman

n/t