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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:30 PM
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NOW is the time to keep your powder dry.
Tao te Ching, from chapter 15:

"The ancient masters were subtle, mysterious, profound, responsive.
The depth of their knowledge is unfathomable.
Because it is unfathomable,
All we can do is describe their appearance:
Watchful, like men crossing a winter stream.
Alert, like men aware of danger.
Courteous, like visiting guests.
Yielding, like ice about to melt.
Simple, like uncarved blocks of wood.
Hollow, like caves.
Opaque, like muddy pools.

Who can wait quietly while the mud settles?
Who can remain still until the moment of action?"


--Lao Tsu, translated by Gia-Fu Feng and Jane English



Sometimes when a fight presents itself, over an issue like a Supreme Court nominee, or the nomination of a political arsonist to be our U.N. ambassador, or whether the United States Congress should give the president the authorization to launch war at will, based on his own discretion and "best judgment", there are voices who caution that we should "keep our powder dry" for later, when the right time to make a move comes.

This is a mistaken use of the wisdom expressed above. Whether or not it is purposely mistaken will vary from case to case. But the fact is that we are our own powder, constantly renewed, and any time a dissenting voice is needed, it should be heard. Anyone who cautions that "now is not the time" to engage an action by the opposition might not have the same interests as you do.

But in fact there is great power in waiting, and listening. It is, to borrow a phrase, a "force multiplier". It is the element that ensures that when you act, your action has maximum effect.

There is an extensive, brilliant post to be written about the light this sheds on our situation, but at the moment, let's start with the obvious:

When faced with a situation potentially divisive between members of your own group of allies, that is the very first instance in which to show wise restraint. If you ever considered "holding fire" against the oppostion, for God's sake, claim that power for yourself in not firing on your allies.

People who "fire at will" tell you something about themselves. People who know how to wait and listen also establish a context for their credibility.

Sometimes someone here might throw a punch, and later say they're sorry, and buy a round of drinks. Other people will speak endlessly of the punch they witnessed, and how traumatized they were, and why we should all be disgusted with half of the people here.



So if someone tells me that the elections results are "plausible", and to "keep my powder dry", I question the notion that my powder is limited.

And if someone opens fire at will on an ally, I wonder why they're spending their powder so "liberally".


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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:37 PM
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1. Democrats have not just kept it dry, they have given cups to GOP
It is one thing to say you are letting the GOP self-destruct, but that supposed strategy is undercut when Democrats vote with the GOP from anti-American laws like the Patriot Act and Bankruptcy Bill, to confirming appointees like Alberto Gonzalez who is an unambiguous war criminal for his role in drafting the torture memos.

For this dumbass "rope a dope" strategy to work, you would need to have said the right things and voted the right way all along. Maybe you don't filibuster everything to the bitter end, but you at least say it's wrong and vote against it.

The Democrats have handed the GOP their most effective and legitimate argument against them--"yeah, but you voted for it TOO!"

This makes them look not like zen masters waiting for the right moment to strike, but opportunists at best and cowards at worst.

But I sincerely hope I am wrong.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:50 PM
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2. No.
I don't think you're wrong.

Anytime we "keep our powder dry" when it should have been on fire, we've effectively conceded an advantage.

The idea that Democrats should be timid about their beliefs can be traced back to the move to make the word "liberal" a badge of shame, in the Reagan era, and further back in time to epithets like "soft on communism", "anti-family", and the like.

I'm past being timid at this point.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:06 AM
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3. And the success of the rope-a-dope strategy,
(as I assume Harry Reid well knows) comes down to who throws the decisive punches at the end.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:11 AM
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4. That is so instructive and calming at the same time... K&R
So if someone tells me that the elections results are "plausible", and to "keep my powder dry", I question the notion that my powder is limited.

And if someone opens fire at will on an ally, I wonder why they're spending their powder so "liberally".


Beautiful. That simplifies it greatly. It's not that hard to figure out what the essential issues
are and defend then vigorously. Understandinglife was encouraging 24/7 resistance and he had a wonderful quote from the Art of War...about knowing you have to fight and fight hard when you are surrounded by hostile forces. The action should be from within our circle and directed at those who
are the opponents of our core values. If there's no circle, we're in big trouble. Discuss, debate, then hit the field fighting.

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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:17 AM
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5. wow bleeve, i could have written that....
if i was nearly as talented. well said.
:apllause:
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:18 AM
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6. Reminds me of this quote by Honest Abe...
"To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men."
Abraham Lincoln

I think there were others who said this, or a variation of it, such as Ella Wheeler Wilcox, Oscar Wilde, Edmund Burke and possibly more.

Thanks Bleever for this post. It's wonderful to see you. :hi:
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teamster633 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 03:05 AM
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7. K&R...thank you
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 03:09 AM by teamster633
I come here to remind myself of the good that remains in this country, in the face of the daily barrage of new lows to which we are led by king george and the GOP. I don't want or need instruction on who to hate or distrust among us. saint ronald of reagan got one thing right: he said speak no ill of fellow republicans. Well...he got the party affiliation wrong, but, otherwise, the sentiment is correct.

Maybe it's just late, but I'm reminded of a "shaped" charge. If you throw a grenade against the side of a tank it will make a noise and that's pretty much it. On the other hand, if you fire the same amount of explosive through a small tube and shape the charge in such a way that it is focused on impact, it can penetrate the armor and disable or destroy a tank. When the fascists in their panzer units stepped off across the Russian frontier 65 years ago on the 22nd, they appeared to be unstoppable. A year and a half later, at Stalingrad, the world was relieved to discover that was not the case.

If we focus on the true enemy, unimaginable victories are possible.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:37 AM
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10. 'I'm reminded of a "shaped" charge.'
I think that's a perceptive observation. Thanks.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:08 AM
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8. The republicans, read rove;
Have had the Democrats on the defensive for years. The national Dems are and continue to be reactive when it is the time to say 'What the hell' and become PROACTIVE. IMHO!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 11:01 AM
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9. What I like most about Howard Dean is that he rejects that defensive,
reactive approach, and isn't afraid to treat our strengths like strengths, and isn't apologetic about the fact that most Americans agree with Democrats on most issues.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-18-06 02:51 PM
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11. Kick
14. We can form a single united body, while the
enemy must split up into fractions. Hence there will
be a whole pitted against separate parts of a whole,
which means that we shall be many to the enemy's few.

15. And if we are able thus to attack an inferior force
with a superior one, our opponents will be in dire straits.


Sun Tzu -- The Art of War, Ch. 6
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