The "DU Divisions" are ripping some of our Guts OUT!

[KoKo]

Oldie "lurkers" here from way back and Newbie lurkers who have some sense of American History.

How can we work together....or is it so far gone ..only a "Third Party" (that will fail initially) will be able to solve the problem.

If ...after the 2006 & 2008 Election we are STILL ...CUT OFF...WHERE WILL WE GO..if our DEMS can't HANG TOUGH TOGETHER and SUPPORT the ISSUES that will ALLOW take back of CONGRESS?

I know the "Lurkers" are out there..............maybe it's time to give some "Reflective/Retrospective" of what's at STAKE HERE?

:shrug:

[cyberpj]

1. If the Dem Party can't figure that one out, how will we? nt

[KoKo]

2. That's the BIG QUESTION!

But, I think that those of us who care so much ...need to dig DEEP and figure out where WE want to go...and not let "Party Loyalty" suck us down.

:shrug: just throwing this out for the "deep thinkers" here............of which there are many.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

4. Don't mistake a message board

for the real life political party. They're not the same.

There are all kinds of people here, and anonymity, don't forget, makes them brave and mouthy. In real life, they wouldn't even show up.

So, I'm not taking any of this silliness seriously, except for the sad observation that the people who claim to believe the Jason Leopold story are seriously impaired folks without a shred of good sense and strangely twisted alternative realities.

In the meantime, getting out and working for the local grassroots candidates are where we have to be in order to win in November and take our country back.

[idgiehkt]

13. that is such a load.

typical internet hyperbole.

The people who 'claim to' believe Leopold have different opinion than you. That is all.

[KoKo]

3. Revising the Democratic Party to what We Would Want would mean

it looks like WHAT?

:shrug: Bullet points that are different from what we are currently offered.

Hopes and Dreams Scenario's here......what WOULD your IDEAL DEM PARTY really STAND FOR that you wouldn't compromise on...is what I'm wondering.

[itzamirakul]

8. Why don't you start us off by giving your version of a

hopes and dreams scenario of what the ideal Dem Party wouuld really stand for that you wouldn't compromise on?

If you give us your idea then many of us can add or negate the points that are important to each of us.

[acmejack]

10. The same things I wanted it to stand for thirty years ago.

It is amazing how nothing really has been accomplished in all those years, in fact we are probably worse off now than we were then. Someone is sure to tell me I am in error, but am I really?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

5. I'm Not Sure I Understand The Point You're Trying To Make.

What is it you're trying to say? I'm not sure I'm clear on what you were trying to portray in your OP.

[Pale Blue Dot]

6. I have volunteered for several campaigns.

I was working for Ned Lamont this evening.

I have NEVER met another DUer at one of those sessions. This is over 6 years and 2 states.

I believe you can do both. I do. But I also believe that many people here confuse being here with actually doing something. It's not.

Everyone should stop what they are doing, RIGHT NOW, and volunteer for a local candidate's campaign.

DU will be here when you get back.

[Jon8503]

7. Never Mind, screw it N/T

[jody]

9. DU Divisions don't reflect party positions nor does the Nat Dem Platform

reflect state Dem party positions.

IMO, in some/most states and at the national level, the Dem Party probably doesn't know or care what DU participants think.

If you want to be heard, I suggest you get involved in your local and state party activities although that may turn you away from politics and the election process.

[Old and In the Way]

11. My guts are intact and accounted for.

What's changed? Rove is still a scumbag.

This, too, like everything that's haoppened since before 2000, shall pass.

[mrcheerful]

12. Well its hard to be united when theres a few subjects that real liberals

already know the answers to yet are shouted down because of fear. Since when did liberals trust government statistics or right wing fear sites? On the helmet topic Someone used a government site as proof positive that helmetless riders were more prone to head injuries and neck injuries. Yet someone who does ride and has worn helmets and has surrvived cycle vs car accidents, is told their opinion doesn't matter because a government statistic says helmets make riders safe. Thats Liberal thinking?

Another divider is sex offenders, oh my god please protect our children GW is what I'm hearing. Yet facts are no list will protect one child nor will knowing someone on the list lives in your neighborhood, what about the one that isn't on a list and is sitting on your sofa drinking your beer? Liberals know that the list in its present form is useless as most lists use criminal codes to describe the crime plus the fact that most on the list are not dangerous predators. Remember the list was supposed to be made up of dangerous predators that were known to be a threat, you know, like the one GW let out of prison in texas and gave a bus ticket to New Jersey that ended up killing the Meagan girl.

Post a topic on sex offeenders being treated as second class citizens and DU all of a sudden looks like a convention of freepers with false facts and statistics and fear running wild. Liberals know that the court system doesn't work in its present state, yet every sex offender is guilty 100% because they were forced into taking a plea bargain. I once checked out sex offenders stats and found over 90% of them took plea bargains does that mean guilty or does it mean the person wasn't able to hire a good lawyer and between the lawyer and the judge were scared into taking a plea bargain?

I always thought liberals were the ones that questioned the way government did its business and kept an open mind on all subjects. Wasn't it a liberal that said "I'd rather see all guilty people let out of prison then have one innocent person in prison"? As long as theres liberals seeking government protection there will always be a divided democratic party.