Remind me. Conservative contributions to humanity, are there any?

[devilgrrl]

I can't think of any, can you?

[stepnw1f]

1. I'm Waiting....

:popcorn:

[GalleryGod]

2. Actually.....

like Bush's ENTIRE 6 years...NONE.:puke:

[devilgrrl]

3. Bush's? What about Reagan?

I don't recall any from his tenure either... So what have they done for humanity?






Are those crickets I hear?

[liberalmuse]

4. They've contributed, but nothing positive.

They have generously contributed to human misery of the planet over the course of decades: Mass murder, torture, poverty, injustice.

[jobycom]

5. A few

Slavery, witch hunts, show trials, the Inquisition, clever forms of killing, and racial profiling come to mind.

Hey, they all benefit humanity, as long as you are talking about white majority humanity. And that's all they care about.

[Vogt]

19. And...

destruction of the envirnment, bandit corporatism, resource theft, domestic spying, open-ended secret detentions, death squads, manufacturing outsourcing, soaring oil prices, border surrender, port surrender, and I've heard tell that they kill their pets.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

6. Yes,War!

[cagoldensun5050]

7. And yet conservatives

Go all over me saying "liberalist economic policies" don't work. I challenged them to come up with examples, but all I got was typical neocon talking points. Sound familiar?

[zbdent]

8. Film - "Birth of a Nation"

along with the White Man's Social Club, er, the KKK . . .

Along with Lincoln . . . for, without the conservatives forming the Confederacy, then Lincoln wouldn't have had to go to war . . . (they love to point out that the Repukes are the "party of Lincoln" . . . but don't point out that, since the 60s, they've been the party of the southern white guys who want N*****s back in their place . . .)

[RandomKoolzip]

9. Well, THEY would say "The Fall of Communism."

Except that Communism really wasn't much of a threat to the US - there's no way it could have taken root here (shit, even Liberals like money too much). They'd also point out a bunch of other military victories, most of which occurred under the aegis of a Democratic president (FDR or Truman).

Older conservatives used to be possessed by a healthy skepticism ala James Randi. This was a valuable trait, but they've jettisonned it by and large in favor of a kind of dipshit leap into the void of unquestioning faith in things they cannot prove - a victory in Iraq, the existence of Jesus, the Rapture, etc.

[deaniac21]

11. I've read that in the 50's and 60's nobody was really worried

about the Soviets. The whole threat was manufactured by republican administrations.

[devilgrrl]

10. Well those are some might fine accomplishments!!!!!

What were they again????

:popcorn:

[smokey nj]

12. Misery is about the only thing I can think of n/t

[devilgrrl]

13. Come folks there's got to be something!!!!

Then how is that they keep winning elections?

[ComerPerro]

14. Because they take credit for liberal contributions

and then create their own little culture wars.


"If it weren't for conservatives, everyone would speak German and Hitler would still be alive and would be king of the world and he would be allies with the Communists who would take us over and then we wouldn't have rock music."

[ComerPerro]

15. They created Al Qeada in the 80's so we can fight them now

they encouraged terrorist attacks in Iraq so we could fight them there, they smuggle drugs and encourage drug abuse so we can have a war on drugs...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. They've done a lot to protect the downtrodden wealthy.

Not to mention beleagured companies like Exxon, Weyerhauser, and Louisiana Pacific, threatened by evil tree-huggers.

[Touchdown]

17. The Spanish Inquisition

Torquemada. Do not beg him for mercy.
Torquemada. Do not implore him for forgiveness.
Torquemada. Do not ask him for salvation.

Let's face it, you can't torquemada anything!

[Rocknrule]

18. Well, slavery created jobs and helped stimulate our economy right?

:sarcasm:

[applegrove]

20. Good point!

[devilgrrl]

21. Kicked for the lurking rightards...

Come on now rightards, tell us something good your movement has done for the betterment of mankind that doesn't involve death, pollution, and blood being spilled. Let's hear it!!!

[leftofthedial]

22. they've made some of the worst people on earth

into some of the wealthiest people on earth.

isn't that enough for you whining LIEburls?

[coalition_unwilling]

23. Actually, the father of modern Conservatism (Edmund Burke) had

some useful insights on the French Revolution. BFEE are not conservatives, they are FASCISTS.

[Odin2005]

28. Exactly, one must not mix up TRUE conservatives with reactionaries...

...and fascists. Burke beleived change must be slow, pragmatic, otherwise society would be dangerously destabilized leading to more problems then you had before. He viewed society as an organic structure that cannot be modified by any great degree by idealistic and ideologically-based social engineering without risking disaster.

Burke used the American Revolution as an example of a non-distructive change, he was a staunch advocate of the rights and liberties of the American colonists and he saw the American Revolution as a reaction against the colonists traditional rights and liberties being trampled on by Parliament.

He used the Frech revolution as an example of what happens when change is the result of social engineering by idealists, The Terror. If he would of been aroung in 1917 he would of labeled Lenin's coup against the liberal provisional government that "naturally" took over when the Russian monarchy collapsed as another example.

Basically, Burke's message is that Idealism and social engineering = Bad, Pragmatism = Good. If he were around today and was a US citizen he would be a moderate Dem, they are the true conservatives, the Pukes are reactionaires and fascists.

[coalition_unwilling]

29. Today's pukes vacillate between reaction and fascism, I think.

The Revolutionary Communist Party refers to them as "Christian Fascists" (to distinguish them from the Mussolini\Hitler variants, I'm guessing, although I'm no expert in RCP lexicography).

[Richard Steele]

24. My favorite quote from George McGovern's last book:

"Here is how I see it. There is not much of a future for
America in today's conservatism. It has become narrow,
negative, and doctrinaire, made less acceptable by its current
far-to-the-right extremism. It keeps the train rusting away
on the tracks but can't move it out of the station and on its
way to Peoria and Chattanooga.

We need the conservatives to challenge liberal ideas and
impel us to examine their soundness. But we can't expect
today's conservatives to offer positive ideas of their own.
Conservatives may cling stubbornly to their views, which
in one sense is admirable, but positive and creative?- no
way. Nothing inspiring has come out of the Conservative
mind since the age of John Adams."

George McGovern; 'The Essential America'; page 63

[devilgrrl]

25. Come now CONservatives. Defend your ideology. What's so good about it?

Don't be shy now.

[Radical Activist]

26. They give me something to protest

Which really does make life more interesting.

[unpossibles]

27. I don't expect to see many (if any) answers

but I like the post.

:D

Does Abe Lincoln freeing the slaves count, or is he the "shame of the Republican Party"?

[LittleClarkie]

30. Depends on how you define that

If you consider Ike to have been Conservative, I think his military/industrial complex speech was a contribution to humanity.

[devilgrrl]

31. Interesting that you have to reach back 50+ years to find anything...

what about today?

Come on lurking freepers, edmunicate us....

[LittleClarkie]

33. Generally contributions to humanity aren't things that happened yesterday

or you wouldn't know they'd contributed.

And you really don't expect a lurking freeper to answer you, do you?

[devilgrrl]

35. No I don't expect them to answer...

too gutless - as if that wasn't obvious already.

[Initech]

32. That'd be like finding a needle in a hay stack

I honestly cant think of a single positive thing the neocon fundies have contributed in the last 25 years. Except for maybe scaring the shit out of us via television "news" and turning us into "happy consumers" who dont question their government but that's about it.

[AspenRose]

34. Teddy Roosevelt and conservationism

http://www.environmentaldefense.org/article.cfm?contentid=2759

I don't think TR would be considered a Neocon or modern conservative by today's standards, though.

[tjwash]

36. The good old "Bull-Moose" party.

He was actually the first one to call himself a progressive.

[tjwash]

37. Eliminating taxes on beer, ammo, and tattoos?

nt

[Rex]

38. Burke and Ike.

Teddy and Abe. Hmm... 4 people. :(

[w8liftinglady]

39. growing up in west texas-conservatives were conservationists

and contribute a lot to the nature conservancy here now.I will give credit where credit isa due.

[Swamp Rat]

40. I happen to know a few folks like that.

Some are family... though, most of 'em are just across the border in New Mexico. ;)

I think, like the meaning of the word "conservative," they will fracture into two distinct categories: conservationists (like the tough-as-nails ranchers in my family), and the NeoCons/x-tian fundamentalists (KKK, GOP, Nazis, x-tian ayatollahs, and the legions of inbred brown-shirts).

:hi: w8liftinglady! How's your boy adjusting to civilian life? :hug:

[Duncan Grant]

41. Hasn't everyone got rich on "bootstrap" dividends yet?

Don't worry if you've missed out, I hear it's still trickling down... :sarcasm: