Bill Clinton...."The best President we ever had"

[tallahasseedem]

I dont know much about Tim McGraw, but I thought this was great.

http://articles.news.aol.com/music/article.adp?id=20060113154309990004

He identified health care as his top issue, and said one of his main reasons for wanting to enter politics is Clinton, whom he calls "the best president we ever had."

[melody]

1. I read that and loved it - shocked the heck out of me

For some reason, I had him tabbed as a country wingnut, but I'm glad to see he's in the sane part of that music industry.

[FreedomAngel82]

7. Same here

And Faith is too. She has a great song I've heard from her new album that tells how we aren't okay in the USA. I can't remember the name of the song right now. I remember reading how she is against the war in Iraq in an article talking about the troops.

[LostinVA]

2. He and his wife Faith Hill were the only "modern" Country

singers to speak out for the Dixie Chicks.

Health care: his biological father, baseball pitcher Tug McGraw, was dying of a bad form of cancer, and had no insurance. Tim and his wife spent literally millions on his treatment, even knowing that it probably was futile. They're good people. Plus, Faith has a gay family member -- I think a brother -- and is as cool as Tim, just not as public. She did alot for her fellow Mississippians after Katrina. She just did it quietly.

[babylonsister]

4. They were also some of the first people to be there after Katrina

to donate with full hearts and lots of trucks chock full of stuff survivors needed.

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Yay!

Hear hear! Him, FDR and JFK. :loveya: So is he going to run for something for sure? Imagine working on that campaign!

[Greyhound]

5. I wouldn't go that far, but then again, I've actually studied history.

He was certainly the best we've had in quite some time. Sorry if I came off sounding too negative, but I'm really concerned at how a mediocre leader like him is being set up as a model for future success. Without Clinton's utter acquiescence to the corporate agenda, the neo-cons would not have had all of the foundations in place for their coup. I'm not saying that he wasn't a decent prez, but best ever? Please.

[tallahasseedem]

9. I certainly dont think he is the absolute best....

but can you imagine how much this comment will make his freeper base's heads spin?

[William769]

13. How about the best ever in this Century?

:)

[Greyhound]

20. Sorry, still not on that list. Not even in the same league as FDR.

I'd have to rate him below Jimmy Carter due to his corporatist agenda.

[William769]

29. In this Century we have had only 2 Presidents. (2000)

Clinton & fuck face. :)

[ButtScratchinMike]

14. Amen, Brother

I spent alot of my time during the Clinton administration explaining to rabid dittoheads how they've had no reason to bitch about him, since he gave them damn near everything they wanted: NAFTA, Defense of Marriage, welfare reform, just to name a few off the top of my head. As governor, he had some executions under his belt.

I suppose his not being a hate monger, along with his ability to get a strange piece of ass that he didn't have to pay for is what really pissed them off. But who knows. I don't think the most Clinton haters even understand why they feel the way they do.

I guess when you're a conservative, getting most of what you want is never enough.


Mike

[Greyhound]

21. You bet. I would contrast conservative with neo-con, however.

I've known lots of conservatives that were/are decent human beings. Never met a neo-con that I can say that about, in fact, the neo-cons I have met were all stupid, petty men and they all apparently also suffered from short man/tiny penis syndrome.

[justabob]

25. I agree completely

He's the best in my lifetime, but that isn't saying much. (DOB 1970)

[SammyWinstonJack]

6. Time to buy a Tim McGraw album.

:-)

[StClone]

8. I am going out and buying Faith Hill and McGraws CDs

And I hate country music...but I will show my support!

[FreedomAngel82]

11. They have pretty good music

Faith's is more country/pop and Tim is more new country. I love Faith's stuff and Tim and her do some of the most beautiful duets.

[ISUGRADIA]

10. OK, that's just stupid

Clinton was not bad but the greatest? Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, T Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, Kennedy were above him for starters. But Mr. McGraw isn't exactly a scholar.

[wyldwolf]

24. Bill Clinton was the best President we ever had

And I say "we" as in my generation.

I've lived through Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II.

Bill Clinton - best president we ever had - IMO.

(And I would rank him higher than many others as well.)

[Zomby Woof]

27. I rank him higher than Kennedy

The most overrated Democrat of all the presidents. Don't get me started on that huckster and charlatan. Only Howard Dean invokes more disgust in me than any Democrat in recent history.

As for FDR - he was great in some ways - rallying the nation during the Depression and willing to experiment, and for his steadfastness in WW2 - and not so good, even worse than Clinton in others. The internment of Japanese-Americans, and his refusal to support anti-lynching laws, or his lame attempt to pack the Supreme Court - not exactly sainthood material.

Some of the things Clinton gets maligned for, like welfare reform, were needed, and not conservative, just common sense. As for his failures, I consider NAFTA a well-meaning mistake, costly as it was. But unlike why the GOP supported it, Clinton's idealism and ability to compromise betrayed him. But I do not think his motives were "selling out" or kowtowing to corporate greed. He really did want it to help workers here and abroad. It IS true that old-style protectionism is a dinosaur; it's just the way free trade has been rigged falsely as a cure-all to it that lured many Democrats to support it.

LBJ - would have been the best of the 20th century if not for Kennedy leaving him Vietnam, and his blind determination to follow through with it. His civil rights advances were simply the best since Reconstruction and the post-Civil War amendments. We still benefit from these advances today.

Truman - his attacks on union strikers was the worst anti-labor action by any Democrat since Grover Cleveland. And his creation of the NSA and other arms of the modern police state we live in makes Truman a kind of godfather of the neocons. Truman was once the president I wanted to admire most, but I have so many reservations about him that I barely rank him above FDR.

Carter - the most honorable and moral man to occupy the Oval Office since Lincoln or John Quincy Adams. I DO admire him more than anyone in this post. But his presidency - other than the Camp David accords, addressing energy issues (creating ANWR too), and the Panama Canal Treaty (pissed off the GOP didn't it?), was sadly disappointing. Although he did not deserve to lose to the excrecably criminal Reagan... So many lost opportunities for Carter. But he tried his best and he was honest. We may never have anyone like that in the office again.

So maybe McGraw DID do his homework. Clinton could have been a lot better, but so could have the others so iconically held up by most here.

[wyldwolf]

28. very well reasoned

I can't find anything to disagree on.

[Dr Fate]

12. Cool beans- The heart of Country music is about regular people...

As opposed to these Repubs who use God to whip this country into war & division.

[hyphenate]

15. It's nice to see so many

country singers finally coming out of the closet as Democrats. The repub singers seem to command far too much of the attention.

I think I will invest in some Tim McGraw songs at this point, just as we supported the Dixie Chicks a few years ago. Who else is a Democrat? Is there a list somewhere? Maybe someone needs to compile one if there isn't one already!

[mdmc]

16. The Big Dog has been the second best pres in my lifetime

behind ol Jimmy Carter! I like them both, but love what Jimmy has done since leaving the white house. Big Dog is doing good as well. I hope if becomes first man!

[tallahasseedem]

22. It may sound ridiculous...

but I am hoping Tim McGraw can help put a positive face on our party with his fan base.

[Catherine Vincent]

17. I'm not a fan of country music but I'll listen to Tim McGraw!

I don't know if Clinton was the best President we have ever had, but he certainly was the best President of my lifetime!

I love Bill Clinton!

[oasis]

18. Best in my lifetime for sure. He's not done yet. (eom)

[FreedomAngel82]

23. Yes!

He's right up there with JFK, Lincoln and FDR. :loveya:

[alarimer]

19. I like him for that even if I don't like his music much

I don't necessarily agree that Clinton was the best President we ever had but certainly the best recent President.

[wadestock]

26. Of course he was....

But give some credit to Gore too!!

The ability to make the "center" strong again.

Balance the budget.
Pay down the debt by 1/2 trillion.
Remove payments of interest on the debt from our yearly IRS taxes.
Downsize the Federal government by 15% from 1993 to 1997.
Investments in technology etc.

All this will be catacylismically reversed if his wife continues to run for president.
It will completely negate any positive that he did in the past.

All because of a right wing inspired perjury trap....

and subsequent overzeolous humbleism to reform himself....and support his wife.