OK, Here's The Thing About Pearl Harbor:

[CrackpotAmerica]

I keep hearing that analogy from both the President, whose ignorance I expect, and the press, whose I selectively expect.

Now I am hearing it buzzing around the blogosphere and it is really making me angry, so:

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SIMILARITY BETWEEN PEARL HARBOR AND THE SEPTEMBER 11, 2001 ATTACKS ON OUR NATION.

Simply put, one was a MILITARY ACTION that targeted MILITARY TARGETS, while the other was an ACT OF TERRORISM, which TARGETED CIVILIANS specifically.

So, Mr. President... and the good people of the MSM, please stop reinforcing an ignorant assertion. It galvanizes nobody.


Geez!

:rant:

[toymachines]

1. but other than the military/civilian target thing

there are similarities to be drawn. Bush uses it to try and get national unity for this iraq war, roosevelt used it similarly. Both presidents apparently knew about it beforehand and let it happen. They are the only two attacks on our country. It just seems like the similarities between the two events are there. I don't agree that the press and the prez should use it to further their causes, but they let 911 happen in order to create a pearl harbor complex, so their are similarities. peace.

[DS1]

2. And they were both about oil

[CrackpotAmerica]

3. Those are the "similarities" that make me so angry... NT

[kevinbgoode]

20. Nonsense. . .this has not been used to promote "national" unity.

Unlike the aftermath of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the very real declaration of war, this Administration has attempted to use these events to support an increasingly divisive "culture" war at home. No serious government at war deliberately underwrites and supports division at home. THAT is aiding and abetting the "enemy."

They are also NOT the only two attacks on our country. There were the German sinkings of American vessels during World War I, the staged explosion of the Maine in Havana harbor, the sacking and burning of Washington during the War of 1812.

9/11 was a terrorist attack - frankly, while it was a serious assault on a few buildings and killed a large number of people, it is much closer to blowing up an American airliner in flight and the Oklahoma City bombing by a domestic terrorist than an all-out military assault on the nation's resources.

[RufusEarl]

4. Pearl harbor

I agree with your assumption, a large difference between the two. it was my understanding, that the Bu$h people needed a Pearl Harbor type event to marshal public support for a war with Iraq.

Is this what the Bu$h regime and the MSM are doing now? I haven't heard this. But I wouldn't be surprised, the way Bu$h is trying to discourage dissent about the war in Iraq.

[mdmc]

5. Both attacks were known and could have been prevented

but were needed to rally support for the war.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. Bingo. Dead on.

[justabob]

6. They have proven that it galvanizes people

Granted, it has worn thin after 4+ years, but it did work. And like the posters above noted, the similarities are there whether we like it or not. They are masters at this kind of thing. I am not saying it is right, but it IS effective.

[Atman]

8. Yes there are similarities...

A recent book (don't know the name/author) reveals that we knew about the impending Pearl Harbor attack, too, but did nothing. Different reason, though, supposedly. As I recall, the book claims we did nothing because we found out about it as a result of illegal bugging of the Japanese government, and we couldn't tip our hand.

LIHOP with a pineapple on top.

[CrackpotAmerica]

11. I am talking about the nature and application of the actual event..

Not the politics that seek to draw similarities..

The politics, which have made the similarities afterward is what makes me angry...

It is an exploitation of ignorance by whoever does it in my opinion. It is a dupe.

Just as people knew that it was going to happen and allowed it to happen for the sake of justifying our entrance into the Second World War..

Kinda like "Remember the Maine!"

See what I'm saying?

[Atman]

13. Gotcha

And I see your point. A attack against military installations is different than an attack on civilians in a city. But BushCO has indeed used similar fear tactics to keep the sheeple in line and in fear.

[CrackpotAmerica]

14. AAAHH! I just think that this tactic should stop for the good of...

our national dignity..

That's the point I'm trying to make here..


:)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. You need to read "Rebuilding America's Defenses" on the PNAC....

...website. They actually stated that the American people would need "another Pearl Harbor" to build public support for securing the world's natural resources.

<http://www.newamericancentury.org/>

<http://www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsreports.htm>....scroll down to "Rebuilding America's Defenses", and once there, do a search for "Pearl Harbor".

...and for more detail about PNAC:

<http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm>

As far as the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor is concerned, you need to read "Day of Deceit", a book written by a WWII Pacific War veteran using a ton of documents released in the last 5-6 years by the National Archives:

<http://www.pearlharbor41.com/>

[CrackpotAmerica]

12. I know... Thx for posting!

I'm not allowed over there anymore because my wife yells at me for getting so engorged!

:)

[AngryAmish]

23. Many wives like it when their husbands become engorged...

[CrackpotAmerica]

24. lol! nt

[ismnotwasm]

10. I recently visited the memorial

With my military daughter (army) She could barely sit through the film before we took the boat over. The part about the incoming radar picking up planes that we evidently though were our own, so ignored them, and the unloaded military planes on one of our battleships. (I'm not good at the details) I could hear her cursing softly beside me. It was a very strange experience.

The memorial was very, very sad, as are all war memorials.

And you're right-- there is NO comparison, and bush is, as usual, a unpatriotic, insensitive, destructive piece of shit for even trying.

[StaggerLee]

15. You're right

Some military leaders were held responsible for Pearl Harbor while no one, I mean not a one, has been reprimanded or fired for 9-11.

And of course the anthrax in the anthrax attacks was military grade...


:mad:

*edited for context

[AndyTiedye]

16. A Better Comparison Would Be to the Reichstag Fire

But even there, the Nazis at least waited until the Reichstag was EMPTY in the middle of the night!

The comparison to Pearl Harbor comes easily to those who have drunk the PNAC kool-aid, because it comes from their own document:

the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event � like a new Pearl Harbor.

-”Rebuilding America’s Defenses — Strategy, Forces, and Resources for a New Century,” page 51
Project for the New American Century, September 2000

[CrackpotAmerica]

18. Thank You! NT

[mdmc]

19. nic pics

:kick:

[AndyTiedye]

22. All That Comes Up When You "Google Images" for "Reichstag Fire"

[mdmc]

25. wow

pe@ce!

[mirandapriestly]

21. You nailed it.

9-11 was a controlled demolition by our own government while people were still in the building.

[Goldensilence]

17. You're right

I think 9-11 is much more comparable to the burning of the reichstag in pre WW2 Germany.I think the stage is being set all over again. Once again man fails to learn from history.