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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:04 PM
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H.R. 4379 bill would limit jurisdiction of the federal courts
Anyone hear about this bill introduced by Rep. Ron Paul? I received this in an email today from a RW friend. Its the first I've heard of it. I know, I know, its World Net Daily but from what I can gather Paul did introduce this. Looks like its an end run around Roe.


A bill introduced by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, promises to return to the states those issues federal courts, by their decisions, "have wrested from state and local governments."

H.R. 4379, the We the People Act, would remove from federal courts' jurisdiction any case involving religious liberty; sexual practices, orientation or reproduction; and same-sex marriage.

Paul's bill, most recently introduced Nov. 17, notes:

"Article I, section 8 and article 3, section 1 of the Constitution of the United States give Congress the power to establish and limit the jurisdiction of the lower Federal courts," and "Article III, section 2 of the Constitution of the United States gives Congress the power to make 'such exceptions, and under such regulations' as Congress finds necessary to Supreme Court jurisdiction."

To clarify jurisdictional issues, the bill states federal courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court, are not prevented from "determining the constitutionality of any Federal statute or administrative rule or procedure in considering any case arising under the Constitution of the United States."

To add to the impact of the legislation, Paul included a provision saying no past federal ruling dealing with the three prohibited areas should be considered as "binding precedent" on any state court. Also, the congressman's bill stipulates that any judge violating the law shall be impeached by Congress or removed by the president.

(more at link)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48319

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:11 PM
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1. H.R. 4379
Official Title: To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes.

Status: Introduced (By Rep. Ronald Paul )

This bill is in the first step in the legislative process. Introduced House bills go first to House committees that consider whether the bill should be presented to the House as a whole. The majority of bills never make it out of committee.

Introduced: Nov 17, 2005
Last Action: Nov 18, 2005: Introductory remarks on measure. (CR E2402-2403)
Sponsor: Rep. Ronald Paul
Cosponsors: none

Full Text: Text or PDF

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-4379

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:13 PM
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2. I don't think a new law can mandate over-riding prior SCOTUS
decisions! Whoever this Paul is, the guy is a NUT!
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:18 PM
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4. Ron Paul is a Libertarian
who won by running as a Repug. He's been very critical of Bush & Co.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 02:00 PM
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6. I don't care what his party affiliation is, this cannot be done!
Talk about unconstitutional!!!!!
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 06:27 PM
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7. I agree. It appears that this was done in relation to pro-life issues
Or at least that is what it would touch upon, amongst other things:


Here's Chuck Baldwin (Pro-life fundy from the Constitution party--Michael Peroutka's runninig mate), praising Paul for this reason:

~snip~
It is also necessary for me to apologize to Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX). In my last column (Tuesday, Jan. 10, 2006, "As Usual, Conservative Christians Don't Get It"), I said, "It doesn't matter that not a single 'pro-life' Republican congressman has introduced legislation under Article III, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution to remove Roe from the jurisdiction of the Court, which is the prerogative of Congress to do." I was mistaken.

Congressman Ron Paul introduced H.R. 4379 "We the People Act" to the Committee on the Judiciary in the House of Representatives on November 17, 2005, "To limit the jurisdiction of the Federal courts, and for other purposes." Under Sec. 3. Limitation On Jurisdiction, the bill states:

"The Supreme Court of the United States and each Federal court-

(1) shall not adjudicate-

(B) any claim based upon the right of privacy, including any such claim related to any issue of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction."

I should have known that Ron Paul would have the courage and commitment to introduce such a bill. I suppose part of the problem is that I don't consider Mr. Paul a mere "Republican." He is an independent thinker, a true statesman. I have lauded Congressman Paul before in this column. If we had 218 congressmen such as Ron Paul in the House of Representatives, we could change the course of the country in short order.

In the meantime, guess what? There are no cosponsors to H.R. 4379. So, out of 435 members of the House of Representatives, there is exactly 1 congressman who is willing to do more than just talk pro-life! Now, can you see the problem?

~snip~

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/chuckwagon.html

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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:16 PM
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3. The "we the people"
like to stick our noses deep into your business act.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:28 PM
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5. "We the People"? What do they mean WE??
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