I'm THRILLED the bastard is DEAD

[npincus]

Politics and the implications whatever they may be, for the Chimp's poll numbers ASIDE, I pumped my fist in the air when I heard the news. Ding Dong, Zarqawi is DEAD.

I don't give a shit about spinning pundits or calculating MSM, AL-Zarqawi was directly or indirectly responsible for thousands of deaths, in Iraq, in Jordan and a across Europe. He is responsible for the destruction of an ancient mosque sacred to Islam. He is on video, sawing off the head of Nick Berg, undoubtedly not the only person who met this fate at his hands or under his direction. Al-Zarqawi WAS a piece of shit, fomenting violence against iraqis and Americans in Iraq.

I hate the Chimp and his disgusting war. And he's got a lot of 'splaining to do, about why Al-Zarqawi wasn't killed when we found out his location in northern Iraq before the invasion. You can say, B*sh allowed the creation of AL-Zarqawi, he was not Al-Qaeda, officially, back then.

DUers should celebrate his death. This will not jump-start a resurgence for the Chimp. Sectarian violence is what it is, and Iraq is in civil war. But this is, great news-- the bastard got what he deserved.

Where's Osama?

Snark away.

[Burma Jones]

1. I Agree with you

[Hubert Flottz]

2. I hope it was him too!

But I don't believe Bushco and their propaganda stooges! They lie about EVERYTHING else.

[Swamp Rat]

3. Not me.

His worthless piece of shit ass is now an asset - a martyr in an asymmetrical war.

Chalk another one up for Osama and all his loose associations around the globe because this is exactly what they wanted.

[katinmn]

37. Now they need to elevate another boogie man to household

name status.

Besides OBL, Al-Zarqawi was the most famous terrorist. Can anyone name another terrorist enemy? Surely these two are not the only ones keeping the world in violent chaos.

[Swamp Rat]

44. Oh, they will.

Gotta keep the sheep fed.

The sad thing is, Bushler is making more and more enemies for us by the nanosecond... AND helping them! :eyes:

Who needs enemies when we have a creature like Dumbya in charge?

[Philosoraptor]

4. Yeah but SO WHAT?

I take no pleasure in it at all.

[Sailor for Warner]

5. Thank freaking G-d

I am so glad someone else is saying it I feel like I am some freak shouting out at the wind.

[sendero]

6. Me too..

... murderous thugs are murderous thugs. One less in the world is good.

[Amonester]

93. I wish I could say the same for...

the murderous thugs Who manage to steal elections and the taxpayers' grandchildren's kids' income taxes (if any...).

Unfortunately... will all War criminal$ get their due?

[matcom]

7. thanks. i've been meaning to re-read "Lord of the Flies"

we are de-evolving

[Swamp Rat]

16. All according to plan

[matcom]

18. i'm learning to hate people more and more every day

ignorance abounds :eyes:

[neoblues]

24. After all, Hating is so much easier...

and less effort, annoyance and expense. If only it weren't morally wrong and didn't lead to everyone killing everyone and destroying stuff...

[matcom]

29. morally wrong?

you mention "morality" in THIS thread? :rofl:

[neoblues]

54. Beware...

I'm liable to do all sorts of silly things.

[matcom]

56. i'm sorry but you are not currently holding the Conch

wait your turn

http://www.yachtobsession.com/Charter%20Guests%20Pictures/Doudney,%20Conch%20Shell.jpg

[neoblues]

111. But... But... But...

But I've been wearing my certified, customary, ritual, lubricated "I Come First" Hat... it means I gotta go, WHEN I gotta go, conch OR NO conch--or there really WILL BE a mess! (and surely you wouldn't want that to happen?)



Like the falsehood told about George Washington (first president), "I cannot tell a lie...": it ain't me in the picture...

[Philosoraptor]

47. Embrace your hatred, it's there for a reason.

Even Jesus hated stuff.

[Me.]

100. What A Healthy Concept

Sure to make the world a better place.

*shadow government*

[spacelady]

125. Oh wow, I did not read this before & made a rare spacelady post

about it, I swear I'm not a copycat. Plus I always read your unusual news posts, matcom, they are a delight!

[Wetzelbill]

8. yeah, he's gone.....

Good. It couldn't have happened to a better guy. That doesn't mean Iraq is just going to be fine and dandy though. Plenty of work to do. Our soldiers are still over there, the situation still demands a nonmilitary solution and so on. Sure, he was awful, but one guy isn't the whole problem. Still a mess and you hit it right when you said "disgusting."

[Nevernose]

9. I'm not thrilled w/ the idea of killing anybody

But I sure as hell ain't gonna miss this guy.

[neoblues]

28. This one is one that deserved it...

if anybody does.

[Halliburton]

102. he really deserved what he got

he's one sick man.

[theHandpuppet]

10. Yep, I'm glad the bastard is dead

However this plays out in the here and now, I hope Zarqawi now knows what it feels like to be in the pit of hell.

[adigal]

11. But it is the third, or fourth, or fifth time he is dead, no???

So how can we believe them this time??

[katinmn]

34. Good question. Wondering the same thing myself.

This administration lies about everything.

[LifeDuringWartime]

72. al-Zarqawi is dead on March 4, 2004 (& other dead dates)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1380301

[flyarm]

95. NO KIDDING..i can't believe people here are so taken in by this b.s.

how many times has he been dead now??? and how many of his #1 #2 #3 # 4 # 5 #20 guys have we no killed and how many times did they die???

ahhhhhhhhhhh don't call me skeptic..call me ..paying attention...to the many times this boogey man has died now..all when *hes polls have tanked! and they can't get them up..its like war viagra!!

lololo:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

fly

[bdamomma]

12. I'm a little cautious about the death of Zarqawi

I am waiting for the next video of Osama to pop up for him to say they'll be more Zarqawi's surfacing. ......but wait Osama is still out there.

[PurpleChez]

13. I can't help thinking that this can give * no more than a small and

temporary lift in the polls. People will keep on dying, and he's still the one with blood on his hands.

But, as another poster asks, can we be sure it's Zarqawi? Before Chimpy started his war, we heard about how Hussein had body doubles all over the place, that no one could be sure where he was or even if he'd been seen in public at all in years. But when they "caught" Hussein a while back everyone immediately accepted that it was him. I'm still not entirely convinced. And I feel that way with this too. Bush SAYS they got Zarqawi? Well...Bush lies like a dog.

[Name removed]

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[Sailor for Warner]

20. Been there, done that

n/t

[Nevernose]

21. The fact that he was on TV claiming responsibility isn't a clue?

And to be fair, I don't know if he ever claimed responsibility for the mosque bombing, but he took credit for enough other things that the world is a better place without him.

[Name removed]

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[acmejack]

42. I suppose I am entitled to be an ASS!

And equally entitled to hold the same opinion about you MR. Pincus. Prior to this ill considered post I had thought you an individual of some intellect, but this forces me to reconsider. Zarqawi, is a strawman, does this not strike you as just a mite too convenient?

Even Nick Berg's Dad doesn't buy into it! Your 'real" world is obviously completely untempered by reality, which is why I threw in the bit about enlisting-humor me-how many years service do you have? I am veteran-I know what it is about. You talk about taking a life and the fist pumping enjoyment of it-I call bullshit on you. Perhaps because I know about the sleepless nights, which I most certainly do not enjoy, so I detest cheerleaders, who think blowing people to bits is good sport.

Go back to your cheer leading now and enjoy yourself, perhaps you can purchase some 8 by 10 color glossies (suitable for framing) of his mangled corpse which you can display on your desk. You can fit right into our American Society!

[npincus]

50. OK,

yes, you are entitled to your opinion. The personal attack (which continues in your next post) for expressing my opinion, which has caused a fall from your estemm (no longer consdiered a person of some intellect- thanks, by the way, for the compliment. Though the 'some' part is a quantifier). What's that about? I don't ageree with everyone here, but do try not to make personal attacks and impugn peopole's character because of it. (I will make exceptions for Freepers).

Anyway, I don't have time to get into this- here's abit of biographical info since you've gone there with the invitation to enlist, the question of my military background. I'm a female, for one. My 3 year old daughter is waiting on me to take her to pre-school abd I'm stealing time I don't have to reply. No, I haven't served in the military. I heard the boom of the plane hitting the WTC, saw smoke billwoing out my window, and watched the towers fall from the waterfront park across the river-- I will celebrate the deaths of people who commit atrocities- any race or nationality, and that's how I feel. That's my right. I'm just a black-hearted killer, I guess. I do have a bad temper- ask my husband.

I have the highest respect for vets and people serving in the military. I communicate with a soldier outside of Baghdad and send him stuff he needs. I can't articulate my rage at the B*sh admin-- they are mass-murdereers. If I put my thoughts in print, I'd get arrested. They haven't figureed out a thought police yet.

OK- I'm so late. that's it. I won't carry this further. I respect your opinion. I just wish you wouldn't get personal. We do not know each other.

[Sailor for Warner]

57. Thank you pincus

I am in the military and I stand behind you and those of us out here doing all this "horrible killing" thank you for your support.

[Orsino]

58. I understand a little about inarticulate rage...

...and I won't condemn your anger. I also suspect that you don't need reminding that Zarqawi didn't bring down the WTC. Hate if you want--and I'm with you, to my shame--but please don't ask me to celebrate death. If I thought Zarqawi's death had the faintest chance of bringing peace, I'd be tempted, but I don't think that's going to happen.

Please don't buy into the ancient meme that tell us that some killing is good. It's the big lie, and the way that men in power have for thousands of years turned us against one another.

Consider that a desperate * might have demanded this military milestone to prop up his unpopular rule, and might have ordered that it be done with a five-hundred-pound bomb just to be sure, not caring who might have been nearby.

If you absolutely must celebrate something, please consider waiting for as much of the whole story as they will permit us to learn.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

63. Oh, that was rather cold

The poster was simply glad that a murderous thug (one of many, including a few on our side) is now gone. I'm not quite sure how you extrapolate all the military service stuff.

[cali]

39. Good job twisting the OP's words!

Always love to see that on DU. The OP made it crystal clear that the reason for his celebratory words are because he/she believes that Al-Zarqawi was a major purveyor of violent death, and he's relieved that he'll no longer be able to murder large numbers of Iraqis. That's hardly a bloodthirsty attitude, and I suspect you damn well know it.

I'm not as thrilled as the OP, but I'm certainly not about to shed any tears for al-Zarqawi. I realize there's a sizable contingent of people who are simply going to disbelieve that Zarqawi was a contemptible and bloodthirsty POS, simply because the bush administration claims he was. Of course they're hardly the only ones making this claim, but never mind that. Has it ever occurred to you that buying into the opposite of whatever the admin says is as mindless as buying into everything that they say? Yes, it's tempting to do that, but it doesn't advance the truth.

Sadly, I don't think that killing Zarqawi will help the Iraqis. Someone else will simply take his place. The appalling attacks will continue. Iraq will stay embroiled in its nasty little civil war. That's why I can't rejoice at Zarqawi being removed from the battlefield.

[ShortnFiery]

48. That's the definition of WAR = major purveyor of violent death

Or do you honestly believe that ALL the people in this umpteenth "al Zarqawi" SAFE HOUSE was filled with ONLY terrorists?

How many mothers and children did we take out with this and our other "smart bombs" aimed at those supposed al Zarqawi safe houses?

Again, it's all of us when we CONTINUE to LOVE PERPETUAL WAR ---> it's a major purveyor of violent death (also see inhumanity)

[cali]

53. If you're saying that war is bad

and more specifically, that this war is a travesty, I couldn't agree more. I have no idea if there were civilians in the house that Zarqawi was in. If there were, there deaths are indeed tragic. Zarqawi's death is not. This is a man who has killed thousands of innocent Iraqis. I simply am not going to lose sleep over his demise.

And who is it that loves perpetual war. I've been to Washington three times to protest this war. Not for one second have I ever supported it. But I haven't supported the actions of people like Zarqawi either. I don't for one moment believe that the invasion and occupation justifies the bombing and beheadings and sensless mayhem perpetrated against the Iraqi people. I would hope that your grief over the victims of American bombs is no greater than your grief over those that Zarqawi murdered.

[ShortnFiery]

62. He may have profound malice but WE ALL have blood on our hands ...

I know that makes "polite company" shudder but it's true.

This war must end soon! We all are responsible (All Americans) for every INNOCENT killed by our smart bombs. Although like the pilots who drop them - we don't see the blood splatter or hear the screams of pain and terror, WE (American Citizens) ARE GUILTY of allowing this immoral Occupation Collateral Killings to continue.

War makes ALL OF US RESPONSIBLE (as citizens of the USA) for KILLING INNOCENTS! ... there's really no good guys IN WAR.

That's why we do NOT declare or perpetuate this INSANITY. :grr:

IMO, no one should gloat nor believe that they can lay claim to a "high road."

We can redeem ourselves by voting out the war mongers out at every given opportunity.

[maine_raptor]

71. No "Good Guys"???????????????????

Sorry, have to disagree here.

I consider that "Greatest Generation", my Father and Uncles, who left America and fought throughout Europe some 60 plus years ago to defeat Hitler, to be "Good Guys".

Don't be so blanket in your statements, please.

[Sailor for Warner]

79. I am responsible

I am responsible for the killing of innocents...

There, I said it, I launched TLAM missiles into a nation in order to kill a dictator and because I believed that he was developing weapons of mass destruction to use against my relatives in Israel and maybe even used in a terror attack in my homeland for the right price. I did not do this because I am one of the sheep, I did not do this because I am stupid, I did not do this because I am cold and heartless. I am a well-educated, fairly smart(CLEARLY not as smart as EVERYONE else, but smart nonetheless) Naval Officer who joined the armed services in order to take care of my family and give back to the country that has given me so much. I will live with the blood on my hands for the rest of my life. I know what I have done, but that is my business and the only man/woman with the right to judge me is G-d. I don't claim the high road but sometimes it must be claimed. Someone was right in the World War II. Someone was right during the American revolution. And if you wish to chastise those of us who are claiming the high road, what do you think that you are doing? Humbling yourself? Sounds pretty self-righteous to me.

[ShortnFiery]

109. I chastise no-one ... I take no glee at the death of even evil people

If you do find GLEE in the death of another human being, no matter how evil ===> Well, you will be the one answering to Saint Peter. I have other reasons to serve time in Purgatory but hating an individual is NOT one of them. :hi: I'm humbled and no better than any of you.

[cali]

88. Doesn't make me shudder, just makes me shake my

head in dismay over shoddy thinking. That's just silly. It's like saying that all Jordanians are responsible for Zarqawi's actions. Collective guilt that refuses to take either individuals or movements composed of individuals into account is a lousy, lousy philosophy. Using your "logic", Hans and Sophie Schell had blood ont their hands, even though they were executed by Hitler for opposing him.

I don't why I'm bothering really. If you can't see how appallingly flawed your argument is, it's pretty pointless.

Your remarks are an insult to people who have consistently spoken up against this war and American foreign policy, sometimes at a very real cost.

[ShortnFiery]

108. That's just silly. = That's reality. No, you cannot have a WHITE hat. :P

[acmejack]

52. Yes, I simply wanted to make a gratutitous attack on someone's

character, just like you felt obligated to do in your response. Give me a break, read your own post, read the OP, then think about how silly you sound.

[npincus]

64. thanks cali. This one's for you:

My 3-year old, Ava, at the NYC Peach March.

[ShortnFiery]

65. Could you kindly scale that down for people who have dial-up? n/t

[npincus]

67. so sorry- how do I do that?

Is there a way to put the width/height parameters into the code? I'm a bit of a techno-boob. Please advise. I don't mean to be inconsiderate!

[Orsino]

15. Unless it signals a move toward peace...

...or even a respite in the killing, it's just another dead body among the hundreds of thousands. All we know for certain is that it's a PR victory for *.

I don't celebrate killing.

[wndycty]

17. This is good news, BEFORE THE SPIN!

There is no question, we needed to get rid of this guy, however we all know PERSPECTIVE and OBJECTIVITY will be lost in the evaluation of this development.

[Armstead]

80. Good point

It's like most other tiomes there hyave been positive developments in Iraq.

The actual good news gets lost in the overreaction andf distortions by the media and politicians over here.

The Iraquis held an election. Good News.

"The fact that Iraq held an election puts all of the dire predictions by those on the anti-war fringes to shmne now, and totally discredits their arguments. This means the war is succeeding and Bush was right after all." --- A bunch of spinning crap that turtned out to be totally wrong.

[calmblueocean]

19. K&R!

I'm delighted by the fact they finally got this guy. First, I'm glad that his victims' families will finally have some small measure of justice, and that he won't be able to plan any more attacks.

Secondly, I'm glad because they've been promoting Zarqawi as the crucial lynchpin to the whole insurgency movement in Iraq for ages. Will violence finally decline now? One can only hope. But if it doesn't -- and that's my reading of the situation -- then America will see that it's not just one man driving the violence over there.

[unpossibles]

22. I'm just impressed that...

...they actually were able to kill a terrorist in one of their "precision air strikes" instead of...oh... a wedding ceremony for instance.

AND I'm not sure I believe it. Funny how when the chips are down, they seem to suddenly find their man. If he's dead, that's great, but I feel like we've been lied to so much I don't believe a word of it anymore.

[Philosoraptor]

25. Well if it was on t.v. it's obviously true, why would they lie?

And if it's from Bush's own mouth, that proves it's true.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

23. I think we are all glad if he's dead and if it saves troops and iraqis

I just think It's time to bring the Troops home now.We have honor now that we caught the guy at the top.I don't see us getting another chance to leave with honor. History repeats itself, it will only get worse.

[Sailor for Warner]

30. Exactly

Let hand the keys to the Iraqi's and roll out.

[originalpckelly]

26. Exactly the way I feel about this. (nt)

[tjdee]

27. There are a lot more bastards that aren't dead.

Al-Zarqawi was indeed a piece of shit, but killing him is going to create more of them.

[Philosoraptor]

31. I assume all the insurgents will turn themselves in now.

And it's "Johnny comes marching home hurrah".

[acmejack]

77. From the responses to my posts, apparently I am one of them...

I now subscribe to the Major General Smedley Butler school of warfare. He had it figured out.

[mwb970]

32. I think the Chimp will get a temporary lift.

Did you ever have a stuffed nose that you cleared by using one of the popular nasal sprays? Did you notice how it seemed to make things better right away? Do you remember how the relief only lasted an hour or two? Do you recall how once the relief wore off, your nose was more stuffed and uncomfortable than before you used the spray?

[niceypoo]

35. How many times has he been killed or captured in the past....

only to miraculously survive or escape?

[Philosoraptor]

36. Hey we all read the same faulty intelligence right?

[ixion]

38. he dies, and a dozen take his place

it means nothing, solves nothing, IMO.

[Philosoraptor]

40. It's a non story, a cheap applause line, a distraction, & soon a memory.

[sendero]

43. I shed no tears for the bastard..

... but I totally agree with you. The idea this will have any effect on the 'insurgency' is ludicrous.

[ixion]

82. exactly.

spot on...

[underpants]

41. Me too and how

the whole Zarqawi saga has been quite amazing to reconstruct though

[noonwitch]

45. It's one less guy trying to blow up our soldiers

And a big one, at that. On top of that, I hope that this proves that we are getting better intelligence, and that in getting this one, intelligence was also discovered about future plots, the whereabouts of bin Laden, or anything like that.

It doesn't change my opinion about Bush, either, but I am proud of the military guys who brought it about.

[MemphisTiger]

46. I'm glad the guy isn't out there plotting to kill more, BUT

I wish we could have taken him alive to gather intel from him. Obviously, I'm not privy to all the details to know if a ground operation would have been possible, but it would have been beneficial to get that information and put him on trial under the authority of the world court or even Iraqi court.

[katinmn]

49. I wish we hadn't killed thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians

in several reckless attempts to get him.

AP said the attack on Falujah was aimed at getting Zarqawi. Zarqawi isn't even an Iraqi. But it's the Iraqis that pay and pay and pay.... How is it justified?

[MemphisTiger]

61. I think bad intelligence causes more egg on our face

than anything, along with a few reckless induviduals like the ones in Haditha. Overall, the men and women that serve are good people trying to protect the country and do their job. I'm just glad they got it right this time, even if they didn't take him into custody and make him face trial.

[katinmn]

87. Mudering thousands of innocent civilians is more than "egg on our face"

I cannot believe how accepting people are of the murders, bordering on genocide. There is no justification.

And it isn't "a few reckless individuals" as BushCo wants you to believe. Don't buy it. The war is mismanged by reckless ideologues posing as leaders.

[Orsino]

51. Oh, crap.

CNN playing audio transcripts.

This surgical strike brought to you by a 500-pound bomb. Wonder who else happened to be nearby?

[noahmijo]

55. He's probably been dead since '97 for all we know

His asset value as a boogieman has dropped. There will be another boogieman to take his place who I am sure will have even more horror stories to his credit and just like sheep the American people will cheering his death too and so on and so on it will never end so long as quenching the bloodthirst of the American public is all it takes to make people forget about how badly their government is fucking them over.

[matcom]

59. Pentagon reporting a woman and child killed with him. I'M THRILLED!

:bounce:

:sarcasm:

[Philosoraptor]

68. If ya wanna make a omelet...

You gotta kill a few mothers and kids.

[Mz Pip]

110. Took long enough

Glad they got him.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ShaneGR]

113. There's a lesson in this...

Don't shack up with a man who is an international terrorist and saws peoples heads off for fun.

[file83]

119. "shack up"? What do you know about that woman and child?

Provide links, please. We'd all love to read the great sources you have.

Oh, wait, you were making a joke about a woman and child that were killed - I get it. That's funny!

:eyes:

[The Gunslinger]

60. Hes responsible for the deaths of many and Its good he's gone....

How many innocent lives have the Bush administration taken.........???

[MadHound]

66. Nice that you're thrilled,

But temper it with some common sense. First off, how many times has Zarqawi been "killed" before? There's a thread going on about this, and the count so far is up to four or five. Wait for it, it could still turn out that Zarqawi isn't dead.

Yet even if they've killed Zarqawi, what does that mean in the larger scope of things? Bombings will still be going on(19 plus people killed by a bomb since Zarqawi's alleged death). The fighting will still continue, the insurgents will still continue their struggle. Another leader will be found, if that hasn't occurred already. And more blood will continue to flow. Despite the oil market's irrational exuberence, the oil infrastructure in Iraq will still continue to be effectively attacked, and prices will continue to rise.

All this does is allow Bush to claim a pyric victory, perhaps pump his numbers up a bit, and put on a PR event designed to promote the war. In fact, in the long run this "victory" will only prolong the war by days or weeks, but it will not change the inevitable outcome, that the US isn't going to win this one.

It has been proven time and again that a guerilla war is unwinnable by any conventional war power. If there were brains in the Pentagon, they would have realized this by now. After all it isn't like there aren't plenty of examples, from America's own victory in the Revolutionary War to Vietnam.

So pump your fist in the air, celebrate if you wish. But realize that what you're celebrating is a propaganda victory, not a real victory. And also realize that ultimately, sooner or later, we're going to lose this one. The only questions remaining is how long, how much money and how many lives are we going to feed into the war machine before the American public demands a halt to this madness.

[Toucano]

69. Pump the air all you want. Nothing will change. n/t

[bdamomma]

70. bush needed this

after his defeat of the Federal Marriage Amendment yesterday, don't you hate when they play us like fools. The insurgency will still not stop.

[devilgrrl]

73. I'd be more thrilled if he ever existed in the first place!

This guy's a bogeyman that's been killed several times already. He's the Francisco Franco of our time.

[LSK]

74. were you thrilled when they pulled down Saddams statue too?

In Kansas!?!!?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

75. I once found a middle school student of mine

attempting to watch a video of this man beheading someone. I was able to stop the child from watching it (at least at school) but when I went to erase the history from the machine, I sat there and watched it.

Supposedly it was this man's hand wielding the machete. I have paid for my prurient interest many times over in the middle of the night.

This is not a loss to humanity.

The fact that such a wretch could exist in humanity is the loss.

[watercolors]

76. TV is off today

It will be the dog and pony show all day!

[npincus]

78. This place is TOXIC-

I suppose if one wants to throw an opinion out there in DU, one has to be prepared for dissenting views and criticism of that view.

However, the dissenting views that impugn me personally, which some responders here do, show a pretty sad state of affairs here at DU. No wonder some resigistered mmbers here lurk for so long and are hesitant to post. I suppose the lack of civility here is due to the anonymity cyberspace affords us all, who post from all corners of the world, some of us in our underwear.

Alright, thanks for anyone who understood I was not and am not a Sorceress drinking from a cauldron of blood and celebrating Death. I am simply glad that Al-Zarqawi, a person who has caused much death and misery around the world (to condescending posters, I know he is hardly the only one, the B*sh Admin is bathed in the blood of Iraqis and Americans) is no longer among the living. No, I am not "thrilled" about the mother and child killed in the safe house where Zarqawi was hiding- an example of the kind of crap insinuation that a poster here made. Incredible, this place is getting as narrow, as intolerant as the Freak Show.

I'll sign off this thread now. In my new experience as a mother, I try to respond to my kid's 'good' and 'bad' behavior by addressing the behavior, not her character ("What you did/said was bad because..." VS. "You are a bad girl"). I see some folks here could use a lesson in civil discourse.

[matcom]

114. so, my statement about the woman and child is a personal attack?

:shrug:

your daughter must be so proud

[npincus]

116. Geez, you are LOW

and, you have proven my point with your remark about my daughter.

[Snivi Yllom]

81. Amen

Noone can credibly spin that killing this guy is a bad thing.

[Marie26]

86. Oh, they'll try. nt

[treestar]

83. Thousands of others are dead, too. Big Deal. Even OBL's proven

death isn't going to suddenly stop the subsidiary deaths.

The leaders should have to fight to the death themselves.

Face it, we have no way of knowing with even reasonable proof that this is the same guy and that he did the things attributed to him.

He will be replaced in an instant. So could OBL.

[Name removed]

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[Sailor for Warner]

89. The Sons Of Liberty

didnt hatchet to death all of the people on the Tea Ships in Boston Harbor in cold blood.

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[iconoclastNYC]

85. How much valuable intel died with him?

I think it would have been smarter to capture him and get information out of him.

Instead we made another martyr for thier cause.

He should have rotted the rest of his life away in prison for his crimes.

Death is too humane for these monsters.

[YOY]

90. I would rather they caught him and jailed him...

Death for their cause is one of the preferred ends of such religious fundamentalists. It may actually further their supporters and they may cause more damage in violent death than in an imprisoned life.

Not that I'll miss the piece of slime at all. Good riddance.

[warrens]

91. It's mainly propaganda, but good effing riddance

He wasn't an insurgent, he was a butcher. I hope he rots in hell.

[flyarm]

94. I NEVER BELIEVED THE BULLSHIT ABOUT HIM..BOOGY MAN...N/T

[Eurobabe]

96. It's all BS. I don't believe there ever was a Zarqawi.

eom

[cali]

97. I suppose you also believe

that only Americans can perpetrate terrible crimes and that the Administration with the help of Israel were behind 9/11.

Have you any evidence that Zaqawi is simply a creation of the CIA or whatever? Anything at all?

[flyarm]

105. what proof is there he wasn't a creation of the cia..remember..

we never tortured in Abu Garab..UH HUH..

THEY NEVER LIED ABOUT THAT DID THEY??

where are those wmd?????????

THEY NEVER LIED ABOUT THAT NOW DID THEY??

how about ABLE DANGER??

THEY NEVER LIED ABOUT THAT NOW DID THEY??

the people of hadifa died for ied's

THEY NEVER COVERED UP OR LIED ABOUT THE MURDER OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS DID THEY?

lets go on a journey back in time..

JESSICA LYNCH..THEY NEVER LIED ABOUT HER DID THEY??

how about PAT TILLMAN??

THEY NEVER LIED ABOUT HIS DEATH DID THEY??

how about rendition flights to countires that torture freely??

THEY NEVER LIED ABOUT THOSE FLIGHTS DID THEY?

the list can go on and on..i am sure some would love to add to my post here...

fly

[AnOhioan]

115. There is evidence.....

We may not have dreamed him up out of thin air but at the very least we made him into something he was not.


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[Jacobin]

98. The mullahs are thrilled, too

:eyes:

WTF difference do you think this will make?

[The Stranger]

99. A thread-rally on DU chanting the latest propaganda.

Hooray for our side.

[ContraBass Black]

101. I'd prefer him jailed.

But if it makes a significant difference, then it is good.

[Coexist]

103. He deserved the death he got.

I am happy he was killed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

104. Really?

Were you thrilled the three or four other times he was killed?

[DeepModem Mom]

106. I'm with you. nt

[mikelgb]

107. I think Michael Berg has the right idea...

violence begets violence

listen: http://www.webloggin.com/podcasts/berg.mp3

[Pastiche423]

112. Un-friggen-believable

That some DUers are:

1) Believing he existed in the 1st place.

2) That he's "dead" for the sixth, seventh, eighth??? time.

What I want to know is, how many legs he had when he "died" this time.

[musical_soul]

117. I agree.

Ding dong. He's dead.

[mvd]

118. There's a middle ground

While I'm not unhappy that he's dead, if Bush hadn't gotten us into Iraq in the first place, it might mean more. Now, there will be many more Al-Zarqawis. There will be no dent in terror. There should have been targeted attacks from the beginning, with everything else based on diplomacy. The way you beat terror is by peaceful means - don't give terror the motivation to spread.

[file83]

120. Simple minds. Simple pleasures...

ignorant, though, they may be.

[npincus]

121. save your tears for Zarqawi

and use them for the Iraqi children that he's killed in his three year bombing campaign in Iraq. Remember the 27 kids blown up in Baghdad? no, I don't imagine you do. How about the attack on an Iraqi school- teachers and children were murdered. Remember that? If you can wring out a few more of the tears you have for poor, poor Zarqawi, send some to Madrid- there are 200+ families who buried mothers, fathers and children from the train his Al-Qaeda minions bombed. If you've got any left over, I hear there was a Jordanian wedding party- many in attendance, including the bride and her father, spent their night in the morgue, thanks to Al-Zarqawi-- send your spares there.

My goodness, all the sympathy here for the poor, poor Zarqawi. None for his victims and their families.

Is pity for a terrorist a simple pleasure of a simple mind?

[Ariana Celeste]

122. Nobody here pities him

So it's okay that we killed innocent people, to get him, because he killed innocent people?

[file83]

123. You think you know what you are talking about, but you are clueless.

So completely and utterly clueless about my sympathies.

You have also lost all moral sight of what this whole war is about in the fog of your meaningless celebration of one perpetrator's passing.

You dare to condescendingly remind me of the people he killed, yet conveniently left out how many innocent people have died at the hands of our U.S. weapons and the crossfire we have created in a sovereign nation that we invaded without justifiable cause.

This war was started (as Bush has always claimed) to draw all the world's terrorists (including Al-Zarqawi) to Iraq. You're familiar with the phrase, "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here."

So the United States essentially invited Al-Zarqawi to Iraq to fight a war. Bush even went so far as to urge our enemies with the words "Bring 'em on!"

Well, Al-Zarqawi brought it, as have many others. And he killed all those people from his side of the battle in a war that we designed. We have killed many innocents from our side as well.

And so now, he's dead, along with 10's of thousands of other people.

Tell me, if the Police lured a serial killer into your home ("to fight him in there so we don't have to fight him out here!") and your family was killed in the ensuing battle, would you be happy with the outcome of the serial killer's demise?

Sure, now you have jumped to some sort of childish conclusion that I shed a tear for Al-Zarqawi, but I shed none for him.

I shed a tear for how fucking far off track our nation has gone in this war on terror where people are "THRILLED" that after 3 fucking years one man is dead, despite all the innocent women and children we ended up killing in that pursuit.

[Rex]

124. I won't celebrate death, but the bastard needed to die.

I still think they could have taken him out long ago. I refuse to go full tilt and do the bloodlust dance.

[Lex]

126. Locking . . .

at the request of the Opening Poster.

Lex
DU GD Moderator