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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 07:37 AM
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Multiculturalism is a joke. Health Care is a line that must never be
Edited on Sat Jan-14-06 07:38 AM by applegrove
crossed. :sarcasm: Europe will be all under Sharia law in 30 years. Women should start having multiple children if they are true believe in freedom. Germany's tough economy has nothing to do with loosing all monetary policy control when they went with the euro or took East Germany back & face immigration for Soviet Block & Mediterranea. :sarcasm:


Oh - and be afraid. Very afraid! :scared: Cause the population of the world is about to change radically - and apparently all of Asia is gone. Only the areas of the world you cannot relate to (Africa & the Middle East) will exits. :sarcasm:


It’s the demography, stupid
By Mark Steyn


"Most people reading this have strong stomachs, so let me lay it out as baldly as I can: Much of what we loosely call the western world will not survive this century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes, including many if not most western European countries. There’ll probably still be a geographical area on the map marked as Italy or the Netherlands— probably—just as in Istanbul there’s still a building called St. Sophia’s Cathedral. But it’s not a cathedral; it’s merely a designation for a piece of real estate. Likewise, Italy and the Netherlands will merely be designations for real estate. The challenge for those who reckon western civilization is on balance better than the alternatives is to figure out a way to save at least some parts of the west.

One obstacle to doing that is the fact that, in the typical election campaign in your advanced industrial democracy, the political platforms of at least one party in the United States and pretty much all parties in the rest of the west are largely about what one would call the secondary impulses of society—government health care, government day care (which Canada’s thinking of introducing), government paternity leave (which Britain’s just introduced). We’ve prioritized the secondary impulse over the primary ones: national defense, family, faith, and, most basic of all, reproductive activity—“Go forth and multiply,” because if you don’t you won’t be able to afford all those secondary-impulse issues, like cradle-to-grave welfare. Americans sometimes don’t understand how far gone most of the rest of the developed world is down this path: In the Canadian and most Continental cabinets, the defense ministry is somewhere an ambitious politician passes through on his way up to important jobs like the health department. I don’t think Don Rumsfeld would regard it as a promotion if he were moved to Health & Human Services.

The design flaw of the secular social-democratic state is that it requires a religious-society birth rate to sustain it. Post-Christian hyper-rationalism is, in the objective sense, a lot less rational than Catholicism or Mormonism. Indeed, in its reliance on immigration to ensure its future, the European Union has adopted a twenty-first-century variation on the strategy of the Shakers, who were forbidden from reproducing and thus could only increase their numbers by conversion. The problem is that secondary- impulse societies mistake their weaknesses for strengths—or, at any rate, virtues—and that’s why they’re proving so feeble at dealing with a primal force like Islam.

Speaking of which, if we are at war—and half the American people and significantly higher percentages in Britain, Canada, and Europe don’t accept that proposition—than what exactly is the war about?

...Snip"
http://www.newcriterion.com/archives/24/01/its-the-demography/:sarcasm:
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 08:01 AM
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1. Didn't Hitler pay good German women...
to have more babies for the Fatherland and the Aryan race? This is less about color than it is about the Enlightenment, and when white Americans reject the Enlightenment, what are we supposed to do?
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 08:52 AM
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3. German women still get
monthly stipends for having children. I am not sure whether Islamic German citizens do as well.

Does anyone know?
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 09:13 AM
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5. My relatives do get money in Germany
from the German government. In almost all EU countries families get money to raise their children, wheter they are christion , muslim or atheist.

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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 01:09 PM
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6. I have relatives in Germany
as well, and my cousin in law was explaining the stipend..I think it is about the equal of 4 or 500 dollars a month. She said it was distributed to encourage "Germans" to have children and I was a bit too shy to push it and ask if it was just Aryan-type Germans, or any German citizen. I doubt seriously it would have any religious basis, as there are many, many secular folks in Germany. But I'm not sure about race. There is a lot of angst in Germany about the low birthrate of ethnic Germans and the high birthrate of Turkish immigrant population. But I sure can't imagine how they could "get away with" giving the stipend only to the ethnic Germans. You'd think that would really set off some alarms worldwide.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 07:24 AM
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8. uhm...
:wtf:

The "stipend" is actually a compensation payment for the unconstitutional taxation of children. It has been increased to perform a social function, but the main aspect is the correction of a glitch in the taxation system.

As a result, all parents paying taxes in Germany are eligible for the payment.


I have to add, your strange notion of "Aryan" has an outlandish ring to it. There has been a change in the management since then.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:40 AM
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9. Point is that countries all over the world are facing lower birth rates
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 09:49 AM by applegrove
if they are wealthy. And have been discussing and preparing for this for a generation. The article implies nobody is doing anything (hello - immigration!). When countries have been.

And yes - this idiot is a racist blowhard. But I refuse to let that stop me from focusing on the neoconess of his diatribe and way he makes "new assumptions" that are myths - in order to come out with the result that he wants in his arguments.

As usual. Along with using fear (xenophobia), 'his neoconness' started with the fear he wants and has worked backwards until he tries to make his hypothesis fit in with current reality. And therein lies the very problem. He sees his worst fears in thirty years and works backwards from that. And wealthy countries are not allowed to have the more efficient & cost cutting shared risk health care plans.. or they are gonners? That would be the line in the sand? Why? Does that very thing (which is equitable & more efficient the private health) not compete with the radical islamists he is so afraid of? So to beat them we just reduce the character of governance until it cannot possibly compete for the hearts and minds of people in a country with Islam? THAT IS HOW RADICAL ISLAM HAS GOTTEN SO STRONG. WEAK GOVERNMENTS WHO DO NOTHING TO MITIGATE.

Ground Control to Major Tom






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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 12:55 PM
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10. Well, I knew I didn't know enough about it
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 01:06 PM by TallahasseeGrannie
if you read my post, I was a bit bemused by the very concept that it could possibly be related to the whole Aryan thing. So I am happy to have it explained.

But I do know that there is a lot of concern among ethnic Germans about low birth rates.

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 08:27 PM
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11. And for previously homogenic cultures - that is the way change starts.
By looking at your options and saying - we have to do things differently. Immigraton policy in Canada & the U.S. was blatantly racist only 30 years ago. We are not so far from Europe.

Why the neocons want to whip up these fears.. well...that is what they do.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 08:16 AM
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2. What is the point of reading or posting Hilton Kramer's snot rag?
I mean, post whatever you like but . . . :wtf:
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 08:54 AM
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4. I've read this a couple of times
but I don't quite get the gist. Can anybody summarize for me?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 07:29 PM
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7. The West faces aging populations. Nobody but neocons have noticed or
are doing anything about it! Nobody has ever talked about increasing the age of retirement except for neocons :sarcasm: (actually every nation facing ageing population is talking about this stuff all the time - that is what politicians talk about everywhere).

This writer lives in a scary hot button world where the only people noticing any trends whatsoever are neocons, and all non-neocon politicians in the West have done nothing productive or intelligent about the future of their countries and any trends they may face.

It is a post enlightenment world where all the information out there and thinking - (with the exception of sorry info that somehow gets passed through a neocon brain and comes out in black & white) - is wrong or completely missing.


Interesting too - this neocon assumes that the war on terror will be lost in the next 30 years. And that assimilation never takes place.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 08:53 PM
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12. What about Romania? under Ceausescu
women were nothing but baby machines-
and look what happened to the babies-
They were abandoned, starved, used,- one cure for 'failure to thrive' babies was to give blood transfusions, --- but because funds were low, they used the same needles, and countless babies were
infected with HIV-




http://www.ceausescu.org/ceausescu_texts/overplanned_parenthood.htm

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-15-06 09:16 PM
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13. Exactly. Women should not be baby machines. But if you are in Quebec
Edited on Sun Jan-15-06 09:17 PM by applegrove
and there is a real chance of your language disappearing - you may go for a policy that encourages more babies - and supports them for families that would want more children. At the same time, Quebec has control over its immigration - and opts for the ones who speak french. And then they can have babies.

Forcing women to have more babies by robbing them of reproductive rights and trying to impose hierarchy - is sadistic and masogynistic. No different than in parts of the middle east. Using moral suasion by reimposing religious hierarchy to meet this end - is well sick!
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