got to have a Passport or an Origional Birth certificate to get Medicade

[sam sarrha]

new law to cout costs of Medicade... just eleminate the applicants

heard on Mistress Randi Rhodes show .. i guess as of July..

i once tried to use an origional birth certificate and was told it isnt a legal document, only a certified copy from the state of birth is legal.

[REP]

1. Medicaid or Medicare?

I'm disabled and by default eligible for Medicare, and I didn't have to provide any ID whatsoever.

[Drops_not_Dope]

2. Microchips being placed in passports

Sorry about no link, I'll google up something.

[Ayesha]

3. Why wouldn't legal citizens have a birth cert?

It's something you can obtain from your state of birth if you've lost it. I'm surprised it's not already required! This will help prevent illegal immigrants from abusing the system, which is something I think we can all agree on regardless of our stand on illegal immigration itself. Personally I'm for legalizing those who are here, but they should not be entitled to any government benefits except emergency health care until they're citizens. Medicaid and Medicare are way underfunded and we need to make sure that the citizens who need it are the ones receiving it.

[Drops_not_Dope]

5. Original

Wasn't it that you needed the Original certificate? If so, I'd be SOL. Many people lose theirs probably.

[izzie]

7. I had copies of my kids and they have got them all from me

I am thinking of getting more but I am sure they will get them out of me as I have no will power about it and they never bring them back. They are starting to get costly. I have many as I do family history so have some from England and every place. They always come in with a seal. Funny I could not get my husbands grand parents death records as they said we were not near enough and so far I have not gone to Germany on these people. England was very easy and they were very nice. NY state is a bug on this stuff. I would think that the laws would be getting harder to get these stuff every place.

[treestar]

6. It's just more pain in the ass crap you have to do to prevent

something that doesn't happen that often.

Illegal immigrants don't speak enough English to figure out how to collect Medicaid. It probably already involves a ton of forms and crap.

Illegal aliens wouldn't bother. They're too busy picking cucumbers. The absurd allegations is just "woe is more" "poor us the victims" myth designed to invoke the wide ranging self pity of middle class Americans who have everything.

[China_cat]

8. If you're poor enough to need Medicaid

you probably don't have the $15 to $30 needed to get a copy of your birth certificate. And especially not if you have to obtain them for 3 or 4 members of a family.

[shadowknows69]

10. Sick people are supposed to die

nice and young in this country.

[sam sarrha]

13. and it takes forever... homeless and mentally ill cant get the help to get

one either.. i know of no aid program to fork over the money to get documents for people who probably dont have the info to get one in the first place.. i used to build and manage homeless shelters.. that was before Ronald RayGun diss-funded us.

In a Fascist Society poverty is considered a Vice... especially the poverty they create.

Illegals have an underground black market system of acquiring documents.. for about $400 you can get what you need to be a citizen. for 2 to 5 thousand you can get documentation that would take a federal investigation to discover it false.

in the mid 90's there was a documentary done by a major Anchor man from ABC, he he dressed up like a bum and went to the neighborhood where the contacts stood along the street thicker than drug dealers selling drivers license and Social Security Cards for a package deal of $200. they went back 2 days later and picked them up.. that was right after the new hologram CA drivers license came out to prevent counterfeiting.. in only 2 weeks the cards were on the street, you could only tell they were fake because the picture was better than the government cards..

this leads to a lot of drugs crossing the boarder using desperate people as mules, over 90 percent of the Crystal Meth is carried across the boarder. the Meth is manufactured by mexican government sanctioned families. nothing has changed, the PRI is still in power. Fox is a puppet just like Bu$h, they just got a handsome macho man so the women would vote for him.. and the religious right loved him because he is a minion of the Pope.

[lynne]

9. Agree with you 100% -

- at some point in the past, a few states did not issue original certificates at birth. I had to write Dept. of Vital Records and get a certified copy for my passport. No big deal - just took a couple of days.

Illegals easily get drivers licenses and social security numbers so they are of no use to verify citizenship.

[Mel]

12. you do realize that

some older African Americans were not even born in hospitals and don't even have birth certificates?

You also realize that it does cost money to get a copy of your birth certificate? I have been a part of the working poor and would consider this expensive and could break me for that month.
Fees of $7 to $30 dollars found so far in my quick search of what states charge for a copy and the time off work gas or getting a ride to go get the thing!

Read the link below and see if you feel different about the idea of a birth certificate requirement.

What I see is that it's going to hurt the poor people and in the end cost the tax payers more money. It seems there isn't really that many people that are illegal on medicaid in the first place so I think it's just another way to screw the poor over.

Do we really expect 'the party of mean' to do the right thing? Nope! I don't. They've just taken this opportunity to screw poor American citizens over Once again.
It's a boot on the head instead of a hand up and it damn sure isn't going to fix illegal immigration.

Frankly, I think what we should be more worried about is the fact that people work full time jobs in this country and still don't have health care and earn a living wage and that companies such as Wal-Mart recommend even help their workers apply for medicaid and food stamps!


Unnecessary Documentation
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=1312693

<snip>Some observers may think that self-declaration allows ineligible, especially undocumented, immigrants to falsely obtain Medicaid coverage. However, in a recent report the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Inspector General (OIG) found no substantial evidence that immigrants unlawfully obtain Medicaid by falsely claiming citizenship. According to the OIG, 47 states allow self-declaration of citizenship for Medicaid and 44 states require further documentation when there is reason to question an applicant’s status. In fact, state Medicaid administrators reported that they had not seen a problem with self-declaration of citizenship from their quality control review systems. Therefore, this provision would create little to no savings from eliminating ineligible immigrants who have falsely claimed citizenship status to obtain Medicaid coverage.

The provision does, however, increase procedural barriers for citizens. Many people, especially low-income people, do not possess copies of their birth certificates and do not have passports – and even people who may have obtained birth certificate copies at one point may not have them when they apply for Medicaid coverage. For example, Hurricane Katrina evacuees may have lost their birth certificates during the relocation process. Currently, Louisiana’s Vital Records registry is backlogged and not functioning at normal capacity due to Hurricane Katrina. If this provision is implemented, Louisiana natives without birth certificates, who would otherwise be eligible for Medicaid, will have delayed access to health coverage.</snip>

[Drops_not_Dope]

4. Link

Passports go electronic with new microchip | csmonitor.com: http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1209/p12s01-stct.html

Microchip Passports: http://immigration.about.com/b/a/133764.htm

Sounds like they are targeting the poor population. Chips are only good for one thing, Spying.

[hyphenate]

11. As long as the document is certified

it is a legal document. The cost of a birth certificate from the county records office is a simple and quick process. I've had to go to City Hall in downtown several times to get one for different people. You can get the birth certificates of other family members who need them as well, except in the condition that one is adopted without a father listed on the certificate (in the case of my niece, who had to contact the Vital Records herself long distance from California in order to get hers).

And to be honest, what is wrong with getting that legal document in order to collect medicaid or even medicare? To be fair, it offers verifiable proof of one's citizenship providing they were born in the US, and that is one of the criteria to collecting either form of assistance in any case.

I have noticed that some people have the notion that they can apply for medicaid in more than one state, which is not legal, and I have seen many who try to enter the country who expect the same kind of universal health care that we see in Canada, for example. However, in the case of Canada, you must also prove you are a resident of the country before you are offered care, and why should that be unusual? Proving citizenship and residency are paramount to receiving health care of any kind in almost ALL other countries, including the US.

This won't diminish the amount of applicants coming in for medicaid. It will limit the care to the rightful citizens of the country, though, which is what is intended.