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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:07 PM
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Re-posted...in case you missed it last night
"Seeing with rainbow eyes."

(slightly edited from the original version).

I'm a straight, married guy and I'm okay with that.

My wife and I went to the gay pride parade in Seattle last year and, upon returning to work, I happened to mention it to a former co-worker (got laid off that job) who blinked at me in amazement.

She's one of the nicest people I know, and has dealt with unbelievable hardship over the past few years, including her young son being diagnosed with a serious disease, her teenage daughter committing suicide, and her mother dying of a massive stroke that might have been caught in time if someone had have just noticed what was going on.

She looked at me and asked "why" whe'd gone to the parade. I said it was because we wanted to show our support. Now, she's pretty naive. She's one of those genuinely innocent people, I think, who don't harbor any animosity toward anyone, but has never gone to any trouble to familiarize herself with things outside her own experience. She's had a fairly sheltered existence.

She asked me how I'd respond if one of my boys were to come to me a few years from now and tell me he's gay.

I thought about it, shrugged, and said "I'd tell him to be careful. And that I loved him." I shouldn't have to explain WHY I said that about being careful. I'd say the same thing if he were straight and told me that he was being sexually active.

She nodded, considering. As someone who'd just lost one child, and had reason to fear losing the other one, she seemed to take this in stride.

The basic fact is that I don't care if my boys are gay or straight. I just want them to be good people. Their mother has her own issues, but, from what I can tell so far (I'll know more later after I get to spend some time with each of them this summer) neither of them have picked up on them. She really didn't like being called a bigot during the child-custody hearings, but I think it rocked her back on her heels a little. So far I think she's done a fair job with them, even if we didn't talk for nearly five years.

Long, painful story. It's much better now.

It's funny, but I've accidently become the advocate for gay rights among many people I know. With my dad I just asked "do you remember a time when you CHOSE to be straight?"

To his girlfriend I simply remarked "all of the gays I've ever known were really nice people." She had to agree.

My niece (his girlfriend's granddaughter) wrote an essay at school about it, saying that it's none of anyone's else's business. I just wish I could break her of the whole "that's gay" thing when she means "that's stupid." It's slang and doesn't really mean what it sounds like, but it's offensive. I've chastised her for it.

I think my former co-worker walked away with a slightly different attitude after our talk too.

I proudly stand up for the rights of GLBT people and will never flinch from it. Even here on DU I wince everytime people refer to Annthrax as "Mann Coulter." There are far better things to target her for, even if she IS transgendered. (Especially if she's transgendered, now that I think about it).

I still remember a girlfriend I had when I was eighteen or nineteen. She played Frank in one of Sacramento's Rocky Horror casts. She introduced me to a transgendered friend and I have to say that s/he was one of the neatest people I'd ever met.

Maybe I've always had an open mind in this way. I don't know. But I can't remember ever thinking that there was anything "bad" or "evil" about being gay.

I'll freely admit that I'm one of these horrible guys who thinks that two women making love is extremely erotic. And I married a woman who thinks the same about two guys doing the same.

I'm not sure what that's all about. But, regardless, GLBT folks have me in their corner no matter what.

And that's not a bad thing.

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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:18 PM
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1. It's like that line in the episode of "Sex in the City"...
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 11:19 PM by Blue Belle
Where Valerie Harper plays the mother of Carrie's boyfriend, "I always told my kids, I don't care if your gay... just don't be Republican."

:+
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:22 PM
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2. ROFL...
Absolutely right!

:scared: If their mother wasn't so politically disenchanted, and the fact that she HATES Christianity with a purple passion (long, unpleasant story that's not mine to tell) she'd probably vote Repug.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:59 PM
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7. I like your line about choosing to be straight....
I can't believe the ignorance of the "choose to be gay" argument... I'm always inclined to think that the people who present this notion must have made the choice not to scratch that particular itch and remain straight. Close the door on that closet, close the door to your mind, keep everything locked up tight. :eyes:

I always enjoy your posts Mythsaje. :)
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:10 AM
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11. I don't remember making a conscious choice, myself...
Hell, I don't even LIKE guys all that much. I can't imagine falling in love with one. LOL

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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:22 AM
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14. Well speaking as a straight female...
sometimes guys are very difficult to like - especially the ones you're in love with!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:25 PM
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3. I'd be glad to have you in my corner too.
I find myself doing the same thing at work.
I work with fundies and if they found out I was an atheist, I'd be out of a job, so I keep myself in the closet.
But when this subject comes up, I don't back down.
And it's funny, the guys who side with me are the people you'd least expect to "get it".

There's nothing worse than an educated bigot.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:34 PM
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4. I work with some religious folks...
I refuse to get drawn into that sort of conversation. I'm not an atheist, but they wouldn't like my p.o.v. any way you cut it.

I think revealed religion is a scam.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:50 PM
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5. Yeah, I leave the religious stuff alone.
I need my paycheck.

But when they bring up "the sanctity of marriage", get out of the way.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:55 PM
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6. People tred softly with regards to that stuff where I work...
It's a union shop in a public hospital. I'm still only a temp (hoping that'll change soon) but people are forced to be kinda careful about such things.

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:00 AM
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8. Be glad.
Be very very glad.

The christian flag flies underneath Old Glory where I work, and they just redesigned the company logo to include a cross.

The boss calls people like us "evolutionists".

Well, that's one of the nicer things we're called.

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:05 AM
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10. That's just gruesome...
I can't even imagine a company like that getting any traction here. Yeah, we've got fundies, but they're a relatively quiet bunch. The sane folks outnumber them like a thousand to one and they're smart enough to do simple math.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:14 AM
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13. I used to work with a company that was run by Seventh Day Adventists...
All the women wore skirts and enough aquanet on their hair to be personally responsible for the depletion of the ozone layer. It was like I traveled back in time to the 50's... it was creepy. Forget about conversations about politics or religion, these people thought I was blasphemous for eating meat and dancing (one lady just about had a coronary when I told her about taking ballet when I was 5 years old). Needless to say I didn't stay very long at that company. I really feel for anyone who has to work in an environment where you can't be your authentic self for fear of judgment... but then again, there's probably a reason why I'm unemployed! :)
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:22 AM
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15. It's surreal.
Although, I'm the one who's from Mars because I don't eat meat.
These people have NEVER met a vegetarian.
Can you imagine what it would do to them if I admitted I was an atheist too?

The Amish farmers who live around here put them to shame.
They're wonderful. I absolutely love them.
They practice what they preach.
And their organic produce is second only to my own.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:32 AM
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16. If you really want their heads to explode...
try to work Michael Moore, Al Gore, Charles Darwin and the Da Vinci Code all in one sentence... think of the hilarity that would ensue after that! I know... I know... you can't - but it would probably be fun.

:)
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:42 AM
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17. Only if I can
work Hilary in there somewhere.

They can't tell me why they hate her more than Satan, but they do.

My sanity saving pressure valve comes in the form of an engineer who happens to also be an atheist and the only other liberal in the plant.
There were three of us but the third one left two weeks ago.
We think they got him.


I think I know what it felt like to be part of the French Resistance.:D
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 01:41 AM
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18. See... now I had Hillary down but I opted for Darwin...
Nonetheless... I'm sure your co-workers are praying for our souls. In fact, if they ever start giving you any crap, just look them in the eye and say, "well, I'm sure all you good Christians are praying for me."
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:03 AM
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9. I love the "sanctity of marriage" advocates...
most of them ar on their second or third marriage... I'm sure their prior divorces were all because of the threat of gay marriage. :eyes:
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 12:10 AM
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12. Yep.
I love to ask them how gay marriage ruined their previous ones.
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