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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 01:43 AM
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A Message For The "Religious" Right -- rant
It is times like today, when a President holds a national press conference to launch a gaybashing fest in order to whore for votes from America's worst citizens, that I remember what it means to be a gay American.

Unfortunately, it doesn't take a lot to bring me back to a time when I remember the sting of the taunts and namecalling that comes from being singled out from the rest of the community. As a teenager and young adult, I saw that most often happening to others, although I know the times I was the brunt of such bullying in the halls of a high school. Of course, back in the early 1970's, it was a common occurence. . .I can remember walking home in the evenings from the library, doing work on a paper or just trying to get out of the house, and every now and then a car would go by with other high schoolers screaming that "faggot" slur out of their mouths. I would always feel the hairs rising up on the back of my neck and the fear almost choking off my breathing, and yet I would walk just a little faster and tell myself that I knew the neighborhood and how to find places to hide.

Several years went by. . .I was a young adult pretty much on my own, though most of my friends were still heterosexuals who just never talked much to me about my own dating life. I had learned how to act just enough to be thought of as everyone's "best friend" - you know, the kind of guy both young women and guys could go to and talk about their dating woes. I had no real love life of my own - my few experiences didn't start until I was a 19 year old college student who was lured by a 28 year old Navy man and a glass of straight whiskey. . .which I pretended to be capable of gulping down until I choked.

I was nearly 22 before I was able to really tell anyone about myself - and I can still remember playing this Diana Ross album while housesitting at a friends - and asking my best friend over to tell him. That was a delicate situation - he was probably the first person I had ever fallen in love with - or at least what I knew for love. . .the kind of adolescent awareness of waking up one morning and having all these warm emotional feelings about someone I had been getting to know for over a year. Naturally, he was straight, and though there is a story behind that, it's not the point of this thread or the issues I want to raise here. I was lucky, however - true to being the man he was, he accepted me as openly as he could and tried to never make me feel self-conscious about who I was inside.

From there it was a journey from denial and the struggle to fit in, the conflicts of growing up in a very large, very conservative family often grated on me, and I got used to being considered the black sheep of the family. Oh, I had close relationships with a few of my many brothers and sisters - they knew about me and were fine - but my relationship with my parents was strained and those remnants exist still today, though not pronounced.

It is with those memories that I listened to the President of the United States holding court today with some of the most deceptive and vile "religious" and "spiritual" leaders of the Right. While he tried to keep them out of view of the cameras, I knew they were there - his rhetoric echoed their incredible depth of hatred and bullying. His calls for a tolerant and respectful debate meant nothing, just as they meant nothing when he first announced his support for this disgraceful constitutional amendment. What he meant was that these professional bigots would drag out every junk "scientist" and even junkier "religious" interpretation in order to tell me that I'm not entitled to petition for a contract about the most basic individual life experiences with my state. They have no real argument to deny such a right which every citizen in this nation should have as an American. . .they merely need a human sacrifice for the erupting volcano god which they imagine to be a Supreme Being. I'm used to that.

I was used to that embarassment and self-humiliation back in the early 1970's, when, dropping by my bank to draw some money from my checking account, a teller loudly slammed her stamp against the top of her pad as she told me that she didn't understand why she had to wait on a faggot. I could feel my cheeks getting redder as I fumbled for something to say, and wondered if I could just turn away and walk out of the building before anyone would notice me. Of course she loudly repeated the statement, and I could see other tellers looking over at us but couldn't sense any reaction on their faces. I just froze - right there at the teller's station, almost afraid to look up, and waited for the next abusive statement.

But in that moment, something else started to grow inside of me, a slow anger that surprised me and yet started to rise up in indignation at this treatment. I often think of this moment as perhaps the beginning of taking my own stand for myself in the world, because as I slowly looked up and she glared at me as if expecting me to turn around and leave, I suddenly glared back at her and took a long, deep breath. "I don't know who told you that I came in here to listen to your personal opinions of customers," I said. "But if you can't do your job here, I'd like you to find someone else who can."

Oh, her response was nasty, and I could feel the gutteral hate coming from her throat. "I don't wait on faggots!" she said loudly. I could feel myself starting to build beads of sweat upon my brow. . .but I stood my ground. "Then please get a manager."

She refused, glaring at me as if she was waiting for me to take my checkbook and leave the lobby. But this time I was the one who raised my voice - and the entire lobby heard me. "I came in here to cash a goddamned check from my own damned account, and this teller seems to have a problem waiting on customers. Is there a manager here who knows how to cash a check?"

It seemed as if everyone froze and just stared at me. Customers, lending reps, people milling around. . .and I had to take another deep breath wondering when the security guard was going to come over and take me out. Instead I was surprised. . .some manager rushed over to me and asked me what the problem was - and I told him that his teller wouldn't let me pull funds out of my account. He asked me if there was a problem with the account and I shook my head - the problem, apparently was with ME. Now granted, this was the early 1970's. . .and I expected that manager to just tell me to leave. Instead he looked over at the teller, who glared but said nothing. . .and he took me over to the door to a small office. I was still waiting for him to tell me to leave.
He asked for my check and motioned for a teller on the end of the line to come over and attend to my transaction. . .then he looked at me and asked why I had lost my temper. I had to steel myself again. . .it was still hard for me to try to form the words to even admit who I was. . .

"Look - I'm sorry about disrupting things in here, but I've had an account at this bank since I was 14 years old, and I don't expect to be treated like crap. If you don't want my business, I can go elsewhere - and I'll make sure my entire family, who all have accounts here, understand the reasons why I would make that decision." Naturally, he pressed me, asking what the teller said to me - and that was the hardest part for me to get out of my mouth.

"She said she didn't see why she had to wait on a faggot," I finally said, fighting my urge to panic at the sound of the word. I waited for him to . . .well, I waited for him to tell me she was right and that people like me shouldn't be in the bank at all.

I was so surprised - and so lucky that day. . .my first real venture standing up alone in a situation. He looked at me and said "She said that?" And as I moved my head up and down, I felt that old familiar panic bracing for another shot. "I'm sorry," he said. "She should never had said anything like that, Sir. I'll be having a talk with her."

I could hardly believe my own ears. When the teller came back with my cash, I thanked him for the help and started to walk out of the bank, feeling a lot better but also still sensing a spotlight on my every step. I didn't look back.

These are the kinds of moments that the President of the United States and the people he gathered around today to support his constitutional amendment want to perpeturate. It is written all over the rhetoric of the Right - their whining that gay "activists" want to "normalize" their "perversion". Well, I hate to say it, but it IS normal. It is more a part of who I am than some harebrained superstitious addiction latched on to by some cynical fanatics who have to persecute others in order to adhere to their "religious" beliefs.

Oh, these people cross my path in life every now and again - once in the form of an older fast food order taker who ranted about "fucking faggots" the whole time she was placing my order for a damned roast beef sandwich. I never ate the sandwich. I waited patiently until it was served to me, then took the tray back to the counter and asked for the manager. In typical righteous fashion, the same clerk who ranted at me demanded to know why I wanted the manager. I looked clearly into her eyes and said "If I was interested in talking with you about your behavior, I wouldn't be asking for the manager. So either get the manager or I'll come back behind this counter and get him or her myself." She got the manager. And as I was handing my tray to the manager and she was asking if something was wrong with my food, I told her the only thing wrong was the store's lack of posting a sign that they don't wish to serve people like me. This time it was her face that turned red.

You see, every time one of these situations happen, or I listen to the whiny, cowardly trash that falls out of the mouths of Republican leaders crowing about their need to "protect" marriage, I remember that these are the moments the Right savors. this is what they mean by "family values" - a nice blizzard of a cliche that means they want gay Americans to feel as ostracized and as unwelcome in this country as possible. They played this card successfully for decades, first claiming we were mentally disturbed and advocating shock treatment, which was only marginally better than the earlier imprisonment. Then they preached and preached about the "sickness" until families with gay children often banished those kids rather than face the embarassment and the social humiliation that was sanctioned especially by the church. They encouraged people in the public to make public pronouncements about us - even in the years where mannerly people shouldn't speak of the subject, their slurs were always acceptable as a weapon of choice if you appeared to be more competent than them.

I encountered those attitudes many times when I started working for a telephone company years ago. Unlike the heterosexual men in my office, who, married or not, would regularly flirt with and hit on every woman working there, I had to be completely above the fray while putting up with the occasional jab from other workers about being the office fag. But I was also smart, and that social self-discipline that came from years of ostracization served me well - I learned how to turn company policies upside down and bully back - and I learned to do it with a smile. I actually gained friends among some of the roughest rednecks in the field because I had a reputation for not taking any sh*t. . .although when I first asked to be transferred out into that same field, there were threats to slit the tires on my truck.

These are the things the Right is fighting for - the implicit right to continue threatening others, shielded by their phony "God commands me to tell people they are going to hell" excuse - a rather shallow and cowardly cover for bullying. But what they want even more than that is to force us out of our families - they fear how mothers and fathers increasingly don't reject their gay children, and how much more accepting those families are of gay people around them. And like most bullies, what they understand best is when they are bullied back.

There is little doubt they were successful at this for many years. It used to be a joke among the gay community that it is perfectly okay if you can't go home for Christmas because your "family" can't accept you. . .just drive down to any gay bar and it will be packed with others who have been put into the same position, courtesy of the rantings of the "religious" Right. The gay community learned to look after each other - they would hold potlucks or bar dinners to make the holiday as festive as possible and help each other get through the lonely times. To the Right, their success was in their ability to interfere so deeply in the thoughts of families that parents and relatives would disown or ostracize their own child. THAT is what they are fighting for - with this amendment - with each of their little tantrums - with each of their public statements.

I was reading earlier today about a small demonstration outside of the Love In Action headquarters in Memphis, Tennessee - one of the televangelista-supported reparative therapy (translation = torture chamber) in which parents are urged (for a hefty price) to deposit their troublesome gay teenagers. A year ago, one young man received national attention when his parents "enrolled" him in the program - a program designed to humiliate and pray -the-gay-away. At this year's demonstration, another young man who was in the same program came to speak to the protesters of this travesty of American Taliban control. This young man told the group about how his family, after counseling from some 'religious" nutcase in St. Louis, told him (and likely his family) that no one is really gay, and this little therapy center would save the day. Naturally, it didn't. And when that young man didn't become straight, his mother verbally attacked him and then physically assaulted him, over and over again. . .including when he was trying to move away. Thankfully, another family took him in - but his story reminds me that the parents who attacked him were directly influenced by the lies and the hateful anti-family rhetoric of the "religious" Right.

You can read his story at this link: http://fightinghomophobia.blogspot.com/

For decades, it seems to me that these "religious" fanatics were the only citizens allowed to get away with torturing, abusing and attacking others, especially those in the very families they claim to "protect." They have no shame about thier behavior - but I am far and away long past giving them a break for claiming "deeply-held beliefs" about others. Freedom of religion may mean they have the right to choose, in the name of God, the right to persecute others - but those they seek to persecute have the right to fight back, and to do it decisively. I do not have to respect their right to persecute me - it is THEIR belief, and it only applies to THEIR lives - NOT mine. And if we are going to stand up to this constant onslaught of brutality and abuse in the name of God, then we need to do it with more than just confusion. The only thing they understand is when someone goes for their throat.

These people do not wish to protect anyone's family. They seek to control families. And I don't give a damn how many times they whine about being persecuted because we refuse to let them persecute US - they should have known the score about constitutional rights when they made their choice to follow a totalitarian religious belief. Instead, they want that constitution re-interpreted and re-written until this nation becomes the same tyrannical, totalitarian theocracy that guarantees them the right to control others.

When an American Taliban "representative" approaches you with the nonsense about America being founded on "christian" principles or as a "christian" nation - demand to hear the bible verses which speak of forming a republic with a President and Congress and not a King. Ask them why the American system of government is based on ancient Roman and Greek models - especially those that were void of christian influence. Demand to know why, if this is true, it took christianity some 1700 years to form the godly republic that the Biblical principles inspired. And then ask them why, in nations which the Church controlled, in which the King was considered appointed by God himself, that this Republic wasn't established directly from the Bible.

They have no answer. They don't have an answer because these people are liars. Lying and deception and manipulation is their industry - it is their way of making money in a country whose largest employer is not a retailer marketing mostly Chinese-made products.

In the next few days, the American Taliban's constitutional amendment will be coming up for a vote in the United States Senate. Whether diversion or tool of division, this travesty must not only be stopped but every effort made to shame a United States Congress who has thought nothing of trampling on every ideal which established this great nation.

I've noticed that John Aravosis at http://americablog.blogspot.com launched a campaign today to confront senators who haven't done such a good job of protecting their OWN marriages. Tomorrow his web site is going to concentrate on those senators who have been divorced.

Bible followers understand that widely-accepted interpretations of the scriptures indicate that someone who divorces and remarries is permanently branded an adulterer. I would respectfully suggest that we contact these adulterers and either ask them why they aren't banning divorce in the Constitution, or to ask them to abstain from both voting and the debate on this amendment because they are not morally qualified to do so. That's right. Give the American Taliban their own divisive, demanding rhetoric back in their faces, and their lackeys in Congress who have betrayed the American people by bowing to their demands. If a senator has been divorced, he or she has no moral standing to discuss or vote on discrimination in the United States constitution of anyone else's relationship.

The next time you run across a news article or a fundie who decries how gays can be cured. ask them when they intend to open up their reparative therapy centers for the thousands of pedophiles which too many of their churches have covered up. After all, if they can pray away the gay among adults, they can certainly do so in order to really protect the children.

And the next time you drive by a filled parking lot at a gay club on Christmas Eve, think a moment about why all of those people are there instead of in the welcoming arms of their families. If your mind wanders to the likes of James Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Don Wildmon, Lou Sheldon, Gary Bauer and Tony Perkins - you've learned a lesson here.

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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:18 AM
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1. I cut and pasted your rant,
with a link, to my entire address book!!!!!!

I hope others do the same. Great rant!!!!!!
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:21 AM
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2. I Think That "Reparative Therapy" Guy On The Americablog Video
has the right idea, except instead the pillow should be replaced by a random fundyclown.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:39 AM
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3. Awesome! Truly amazing writing and message.
Too many sad touching personal insights to even be able to single out one. :cry:

I love your point about what to tell fundies when they evoke that "Christian principles" balderdash. I mean, hey, the Spanish Inquisition was based on Christian principles too. What makes our Constitutional form of government great is not any possible underlying theological concepts but the protections against tyranny.

Anyway, you are an incredible person and a great writer. I will also cut and paste this and email it widely.

:yourock:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:42 AM
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4. K&R
That's all I can say.

Awesome post.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:42 AM
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5. ttt n/t
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:43 AM
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6. Awesome rant. Thanks for sharing. K & R! n/t
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:50 AM
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7. Smoking! Recommended!
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gcolvin Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:55 AM
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8. Amen!
My cousin died of AIDS in the late 80's and even after my mother took my grandmother to see Sonny in the hospital she had the nerve to ask me if I was gay simply because I wrote an op/ed in my college newspaper defending gay people's right to get married. As if there would have been a problem had I been gay. This country is so warped that I don't even recognize it any more and I'm only 32.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:09 PM
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24. Yeah, what is that about?
I'm a straight, 26-year-old woman, and my RW parents intermittently ask me if I'm a lsebian. I guess because I have lots of gay friends, don't wear dresses a lot, and am a radical agitator? I wish I was a lesbian sometimes! haha. Like my best friend of 20 years says, "Well, if I wasn't a lesbian, I'd chose to be. I don't like the way men think." :rofl:

Anyway, I guess it's like the old "nigger-lover" slur of the past. I am not offended if people think I am a lesbian, any more than if they thought I was black. :shrug:
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:17 AM
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9. K&R and Amen and Wow, just wow - what an awesome rant.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:26 AM
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10. Stupendous rant!
:applause: :toast: :applause: :toast:
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:40 AM
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11. Whe will they learn this Lesson- Love,honor,tolerance and respect,
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 05:08 AM by DianaForRussFeingold
:patriot: :hug: When will they ever learn what Christians are NOT supposed to do? :cry: A ban on same sex marriage is a discrimination,they seem not to comprehend.:cry:
Everyone please send this to the Christian Coalition and every single member of Congress and the Senate,and every other heartless hatemonger.:grr:
Finally, send this to our President,I think what he is doing is reprehensible!:grr: They say love will conquer all!, I think it's more like' Love,honor,tolerance and respect will conquer all! :yourock: http://rejectionhurts.com/nightclub/ :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Snaggletooth Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:53 PM
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36. You left out Rummy...the cowardly lion. (n/t)
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:12 AM
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12. There are only 2 people who are a danger
to my 32 year marriage. One of them is me, the other is my husband.

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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:33 AM
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13. Absofurkinlutely AWESOME!!
Thank you, kevinbgoode! K&R!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:38 AM
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14. Right on Bro!
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:52 AM
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15. Stupendous
I am in tears now but have to go to work. I will try to write a fuller response when I get home.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:35 AM
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16. K & R and passed on! (n/t)
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:53 AM
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17. Eloquent & very moving
This should be required reading for all politicians. Hell, it should be required reading for everybody.

You should seriously consider submitting this as an op-ed to one or more newspapers.

:toast:

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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:38 AM
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18. Absolutely beautifully stated. Thank you and God bless you!!!
:kick:
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:47 AM
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19. I'm sitting here crying--and I don't do that very often.
All I can think of is the torture my gay and lesbian friends went through at our evangelical college, doing everything they could to survive. I think of them every time I hear of some new attack--they are wonderful, amazing, and incredibly strong people who have every right to be treated as fully equal and fully human.

I remember the "pray-away-the-gay" chapel speaker who got the coldest reception of any chapel speaker I ever saw--even booed by some of the upperclassmen in the back when he said that he's helped "cure" others--that gave me hope that not all evangelicals are bigots. Many have GLBT family members and friends, and that was one very uncomfortable chapel service, let me tell ya. The college admins had invited the creep with his even creepier wife (ooh, she was scary--Stepford-like), probably because they believed in his mission. All gay and lesbian students were required to come out to the college and then forced to go to counselling with a counsellor who felt being gay was a disease that could be cured with enough prayer and odd behavior modification crap. He was probably a gay-latent himself, as he pretty much thought everyone was and was very creepy. I had a run-in with him myself (I came from a messed up family), and I never went back.

One of my acquaintances was disowned by her father and sent a bill for everything he'd spent on college and a note taking back her car unless she could pay him off. One was abused by the other guys in the men's dorms, forced to go to counselling (which really messed him up), and survived his couple of years with us by staying with the drama club as much as possible (and we did what we could to protect him, but it wasn't enough--I still feel guilty about that). One was forced by the admins to come out to all her friends after one friend found out that she was a lesbian and threatened to sue her for sexual harrassment, as they'd swum and camped together on a trip. That friend was destroyed by her other so-called friends behind her back, which I didn't find out in time before she graduated, but I let them know where I stood on that and that what they did wasn't Christian. One friend stayed in the closet all the way through college, even getting elected as president of the student government as the first African-American ever to hold the office--he was a wonderful man, a truly honorable man, and if anyone else had known, he would've been tortured in the dorms.

We are all brothers and sisters, and what happens to some of us happens to all of us. We know what they think of poor people, other ethnic groups, women, and our GLBT brothers and sisters. We need to fight them and not let them win any more ground. We are all family, and we are all still united under it all.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:13 PM
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25. Wow.
This reminds me of my aunt, who's 69 and trapped in a time warp (and logic warp - she think Saddam attacked us on 9/11). She went back to school in the eighties and got a psychology degree and, though she never used it, instead going into real estate, she thinks she's a counsellor or psychologist. She says things all the time starting with, "My Christian psychology professor said...". Then one day a few weeks ago she completely astounded me with this gem: "I would be a Christian counsellor, if I went back into it. I would only treat gay patients if they admitted their lifestyle was wrong and wanted to change."

:wtf:

Seriously. I just don't get it. I've come to the conclusion that most people are incurably stupid. Not ignorant, stupid.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:09 PM
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28. There are so many others who need help. Why gays?
I don't think it's that they're stupid so much as they've got their blinders on and refuse to see anything else. It's sad--they can't see how they're hurting their neighbor, not loving them.
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307 MMS Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:42 PM
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20. Rant
That has got to be one of the most passionate and eloquent essays (rants!) I've ever read. It puts it all in perspective to what is happening to this democracy under attack. Thank you.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:45 PM
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21. Great post. And good for you standing up to that bitch of a teller.

Her ass should have been fired.
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One_of_8 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 02:58 PM
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22. Wow. Just Wow
Kevin, your post is so poignant and so strong. I agree, this is about a certain segment of the population wanting control over others, wanting to stand in judgment of others, while at the same time behaving despicably and dishonorably. And as you said, we all must continually stand up to bullies, call them on their behavior, and push back. At heart, bullies are simply cowards.
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StellaBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:03 PM
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23. Best. Post. In. Weeks.
K&R.

:yourock:

Oh, and - can we have some 'atheist bars'??? :)
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:15 PM
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26. Great stories (or not so)....

thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 03:31 PM
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27. An amazing piece of writing
You have put into words, and absolutely fabulous words, what so many of us feel. Thank you. Like for may others you words brought back memories some good, many bad. You have done a great service by expressing our thoughts. Great job.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:22 PM
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29. Thank you. It is only through you and millions of others telling their
personal stories that the silent people with brains will understand and join the fight against the American Taliban.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:28 PM
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30. Bravo!
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:37 PM
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31. Wow,
just wow.

I have to thank you for the courage you've shown in your life in the few instances we were privy to. Because of people like you, I've never had to deal with this kind of hatred and I come from a small conservative town in backwoods Idaho. I think that this statement, your words, should show all of us that today GLBT citizens in this country have it better than we have in the past. Sure today we have a large number of politicians and Christocrazies running around demonizing our community with hatred and malice, but we also have a huge number of people in the population--gay and straight--who believe that we as GLBT Americans should be given the same rights and privileges that everyone else have. Slowly but surely we are winning, the crazies see it as well as we do. That change has been brought about by you and people like you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for helping to pave the road.

And thank you for this post, which I have recommended, bookmarked, and now kicked.

:toast: :yourock: :applause: :patriot:
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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 04:47 PM
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32. I'm so sorry that you had to go thru all of that...just know that
Edited on Tue Jun-06-06 04:47 PM by lady of texas
there are some of us who are fighting your fight with you.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 05:58 PM
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33. very important --- MUST READ
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 06:18 PM
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34. *sigh* I'm so sorry you had to go through all that crap.
Your story breaks my heart.:cry:

:kick: and recommended.
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pdxprog Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 07:20 PM
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35. Bravo. And lest anyone still think...
...all of this talk is merely a little harmless lip service from Dear Leader to his tiny little nutter base, the following is from today's Oregonian:

Anti-gay slurs shouted during attack on three men
(by Maxine Bernstein)
Three men were assaulted early Saturday at Southwest Stark Street and 10th Avenue in what police suspect was a hate crime.

At least one of the victims was walking along Stark toward 10th when at least two men in their 20s ran toward him and attacked him, shouting anti-gay slurs. Others intervened and were assaulted.

When police arrived about 2:15 a.m., 25 to 30 people were standing near the northeast corner of the intersection. One man was lying in the street with a bloody nose, said Officer Cathe Kent, a Portland police spokeswoman.

Police said the man in the street, a 39-year-old Gresham man, was conscious but confused. Witnesses said he was punched in the face several times and kicked in the head or upper torso.

An ambulance was called to the intersection, and at least three victims received medical attention at the scene, police said.

The other two victims were a 24-year-old man from Southeast Portland and a 21-year-old man whose hometown was unknown, police said.

The case is being forwarded to Bias Crime Detective Molly Daul for further investigation. No arrests have been made.

Police said many of those gathered at the scene of the fight had spilled out of area bars. The suspects were described as two men in their 20s, about 5-foot 10 and 5-foot 11, and weighing 175 to 185 pounds.

==
Gaybashing fest indeed.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:24 PM
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37. Thank you for sharing your story, and your outrage.
I will no longer be silent, but will stand with Gay and Lesbian citizens. And for me, that means preaching it from the pulpit.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 08:28 PM
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38. Beautifully Written (nt)
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 09:06 PM
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39. Do unto others
Beautifully written....
PEACE~
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:03 PM
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40. No truer words spoken...
....And like most bullies, what they understand best is when they are bullied back.

And THIS is what we have to do bully them back,back into the shadows,back to thier church hidey holes,back into insignificance,back into the lunatic fringe.AND MAKE SURE THEY NEVER get enough clout to get out.
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LearnedHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 10:58 PM
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41. Bookmarked for a targeted email to my sister
Wonderful, well-written post! Thank you for this.

My sis is one of those ultra-conservative fundies, and in just the last year, she's discovered that her beloved younger daughter, who just turned 20 this year, probably is gay. Of course, to my sis, that's worse than murdering someone, worse than robbing a bank, worse than torturing animals and small children.

I love my sis a lot, and I don't take pleasure in her having to "face" this "situation" (BIG f'ing sigh) with her daughter, but if there's a god, it just gave my sister the greatest gift: the opportunity to face her horrible, horrible prejudices and decide whether her god is a god of love and compassion or a god of divisiveness and hate. When she's ready to confront her small-souled response to her own daughter, that's when I'll send her a copy of your post.

You sound like a terrific guy. I hate the public and private humiliation you have faced, and I applaud the strength and humor with which you eventually were able to address bigotry and hatred. Your friends, family, and lovers are lucky to have you in their lives.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-06-06 11:45 PM
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42. K&R
Everyone needs to read this.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-07-06 07:02 AM
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43. I have a hard time
understanding why people would want to be gay Americans, in this age or any other. From what I hear, it's far easier to be a gay Canadian.

Unfortunately, as someone with a number of gay friends, I've heard anecdotes like yours far too often. It's a crying shame.
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