Attention DU History Buffs:

[Brigid]

The History Channel is starting a 13-part series on the Revolutionary War tonight. Should be fascinating. Check local listings.

[Minnesota_Lib]

1. Set my reminder for 9PM CST...thanks for the heads up

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Dang!

Wish I still had my Dish. Hope it is on portions of the RW not usually discussed; I've done genealogical studies of my family and have found some really fascinating stuff that isn't found in your usual documentaries. It would be nice if some of those stories were put on film for the general public to find out about.

[Spangle]

8. Like What?

Not fair to keep us hanging like that. I've got a papers on my g-daddy (way back) that served. And I love the storys we find when we do research. Kinda puts us in the mind of what they were thinking, besides what the history books tell us.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

16. I don't have my notes here,

so I can't recall specific names. But in one family, who lived in Dutchess Co NY, the brothers were all in militias for the Revolution-but a sister had married a fellow loyal to the Crown. The upshot was accusations of spying on both sides-and then the Tory and Rebel apparently got together to manufacture some sort of fraudulent money scheme (yep, counterfieting!) I believe the upshot was the Tory went to Canada and the Rebel to Ohio, both considered black sheep of the family.

The other was Ephriam Cleveland (I recall his name as I'm doing research on his line)-this is his story:

Capt. Ephraim Cleveland first lived at Canterbury, Windham Co CT. He was taken prisoner in the French and Indian War by the Indians, and was held captive three years before he escaped.

He was in the Revolutionary Army. During the Revolution, Ephraim and Mark Watkins were captured by Indians, who pulled their hair out, tied them to stakes, and prepared to burn them. An old squaw who had befriended them interfered and by her entreaty the Indians let her have Ephraim in place of her son, who had been slain in the war. Ephraim and Watkins afterward often went hunting with the Indians and later were trusted to go alone a few times. It was on one of these hunting trips that the men escaped. From that time on, Ephraim was bald, and wore an eelskin cap.

source: Catchall File at rootsweb World Connect

I think the "old squaw" might have remembered Ephriam from his earlier time with the Native Americans, and thus decided to save his life.

[Spangle]

21. Wow!

The things you learn when your digging up bones. I tell people all the time that just getting the list of 'who is who' really don't tell the tale. Only the ones who go search for this info, are the ones that really get the 'storys'.

In mine line I got a Sheriff that arrested a fellow. Later generatons, those two would met again. <wink>

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

23. Hee hee

That's always fun to find out as well-a sheriff and his prisoner--what's really fun is to find out how many of your ancestors were cousins and didn't know it. Or the funniest thing for me is this: my mother remarried after a divorce, and my step-sister and I both got interested in genealogy. We found we were cousins-related through the ex-spouses of our now wedded parents!

[H2O Man]

26. That typer of adoption

was a fairly common practice among both major groups of Native Peoples in the northeast, the Iroquois and Algonkians. While in the case you mention the older woman may have recognized the young man, it was more common to select an individual recognized as an "enemy." The advantages this offered the different sides is interesting. I'm reminded of the wonderful movie "Gandhi," in the scene where an angry man is telling Gandhi that Muslims killed his child, in the terrible violence between the Hindu and Muslims. Gandhi tells him that he needs to adopt an orphaned Muslim child, and raise him in the Islamic tradition. This is a form of tribal wisdom that is aimed at breaking down the false walls and barriers between differing peoples, and to decrease the chances of true "warfare."

One of my favorite periods of history is the 1750-1800 in the northeast. I have, from time to time, done a number of presentations on the Indian-colonial relations during the Revolutionary War. I have a fairly substantial collection from the camps of Joseph Brant, the Mohawk leader who was educated in the finest European tradition, but would find greater strength in traditional society. He met with General Herkimer in some of the lesser known but extremely significant events in the Border Wars of the war. Brant was friends with one of my ancestors, a Tory named John Ross from the Delaware Valley in Pennsylvania.

Not far from where I live, Brant's camps included numerous people from a large number of nations besides the Confederacy, as well as a large group of African-Americans. By the late 1800s, much of this information was forgotten. I used to do a lot of research, and included a lot of this in my first book.

[Spangle]

28. I wish moe of that was taught in schools

There is so much history that isn't retold. Anything that wasn't 'white' was just not important enough to retale to the youngesters. Racism was rampant.

Times have changed and this is part of 'our' history. Fear of finding one is mixed in any shape or form isn't considered a 'negative' that must be hidden. Just a fact that if a family has been here several generations, they are a MUTT.

I love getting to the real storys of history. Alot of them are sad and make me cry. What people went through yesterday, that made us who we are today.. shouldn't be forgotten.. even if it's 'shameful.' I

[Spangle]

27. LOL! That is a hoot!

I transfered schools in high school. Naturaly started hanging around a new crowd, new best friend, etc. One day When chatting with my grandmother I mentioned my new best friend by her whole name. Come to find out our grand-mothers were 1st cousins and 'best friends' way back when.

We were 'family' after that. Which was a hoot. I'm a regular mutt. And so is she. She was 1/4 Mexican and 1/4th Navajo and her skin tone showed it. We had another friend that ran with us that had a simalar skin tone. People were always asking they they were kin. Our friend use to love to tell people "No, but those 2 are." LOL! She was tall, I was short. She was thin, I was chunky, etc, etc.. You get the picture. People would see the different skin tones and not look past that to see any other family resemblence.

[Brigid]

12. Yes, do tell.

Sounds interesting.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. Two stories, basically

One about a family of divided loyalty-the sons all in NY militias loyal to the Continental Congress, the sister married to a Tory. Accusations of spying on both sides, and then the awful truth-Tory and one son involved in counterfeiting of Continentals!

The other story is about Ephriam Cleveland (doing research on this line now, so his name is fresh in my memory:

source: Catchall File at rootsweb World Connect

Capt. Ephraim Cleveland first lived at Canterbury, Windham Co CT. He was taken prisoner in the French and Indian War by the Indians, and was held captive three years before he escaped.

He was in the Revolutionary Army. During the Revolution, Ephraim and Mark Watkins were captured by Indians, who pulled their hair out, tied them to stakes, and prepared to burn them. An old squaw who had befriended them interfered and by her entreaty the Indians let her have Ephraim in place of her son, who had been slain in the war. Ephraim and Watkins afterward often went hunting with the Indians and later were trusted to go alone a few times. It was on one of these hunting trips that the men escaped. From that time on, Ephraim was bald, and wore an eelskin cap.

[tives12]

3. I noticed the HC is showing a lot of Revolutionary pieces.

They just had that special on George Washington too. I wonder if they're trying to egg something on.

[Brigid]

11. Could be . . .

Right after the debacle of 2004, they were showing a lot of stuff about Hitler and Stalin and the Roman emperors. ;)

[StellaBlue]

4. Comes on at 9 here

Let's hope there's some Tom Paine in there!

Woo-woo!

Time for a new one, kiddies.

[Massacure]

5. Do they do one episode every sunday or one episode every day?

[Brigid]

10. Every Sunday, it looks like.

It isn't listed for any other time in this week's TV listings.

[William769]

6. Thanks!

I would have missed this.

[tenshi816]

7. Would you mind letting me know

the exact name of the series? It's so I can be on the lookout for it when it makes its way to the European version of the History Channel (there's a time lag - from months to years - between when History Channel's programs are released in the States and when they turn up on my side of the pond).

Thanks.

[Brigid]

9. It's called "The Revolution."

It should make it to Europe eventually.

[tenshi816]

22. Thanks.

Boy, they knocked themselves out coming up with an original title didn't they?

There was an interesting series on Discovery Channel UK last year called "The Founding Fathers" (you can guess what it was about). It had probably already been shown in the States before we got it in the UK, but if you haven't already seen it, it's well worth watching if it comes around there again.

[ScreamingMeemie]

13. The Free Mason show is very interesting.

[Brigid]

14. Actually, right now I'm watching . . .

"The Redneck Comedy Tour: One For The Road" right now. :D

[ScreamingMeemie]

15. Here's your sign...

;)

[Brigid]

18. I got thrown out of a bar in New York City . . .

And when I say I got thrown out, I don't mean, they walked me to the door, and I said, "Bye everybody I gotta go." I mean six bouncers threw me out the door like I was a frisbee."

Ron White cracks me up. :rofl:

[StellaBlue]

19. kick

about to come on CST 9pm

[UTUSN]

20. AND------------- all of us ought to read ZINN!!!!!!1111 n/t

[Zynx]

24. It would be nice if Americans knew more about it.

Americans know shockingly little of their own history.

[Minnesota Libra]

25. Caught the first installment last night, it was GREAT Will it.......

......run once a week or what?? I want to be sure and set reminders.