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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:52 PM
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Anyone see Biden on MTPress? I thought he made some good points.
But Biden's not unlike B***: Lots of talk, short on action.

Tim asked him if he'd filibuster something, can't remember what, and he said, "I'm not good at filibustering, but I'd support one."

Same spineless refusal to do his job as the GOP.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:54 PM
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1.  I thought so too considering the criticism he got from the
early viewers.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:54 PM
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2. Oh, gack, that weasel?!?! Never forget that he gave us Clarence Thomas.
(through his pathetic mishandling of the hearings)
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:02 PM
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6. "I like you. You're the real deal." Then confirms Roberts.
He also refused to admit his Iraq war invasion vote was a mistake. He said his mistake was trusting B***.

Nother spineless centrist who gets what's going on but won't allow himself to be the target of the Rove assasins.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:55 PM
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3. ... he was saying he'd back a filibuster
I'm failing to see how that's spineless. His "I'm not good at filibustering" came off as a bit of self-deprecating humor (especially considering his reputation for being able to talk at length about any topic).
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:56 PM
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4. He was a speaker
last night at the Ohio DNC State Dinner. I was surprise a bit to see him but if you connect the dots, it can confirm his Presidential bid. He was articulate of the issues in a diplomatic fashion. Much more clarity and spunk shown in the friendly crowd than you see of nation tv.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 02:59 PM
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5. Just like Gore. Great off camera. Wonderful.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 05:46 PM
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18. Here is the Blog report.
Biden was well received....scroll down a bit to get all the video and photo clips from the event; including Biden and Obama.

http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:03 PM
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7. It wouldn't be a Sunday w/out J. Biden bumping his gums on the talk shows
That guy has a mouth and an ego like diarrhea.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:03 PM
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8. Why on earth did he say he'd be surprised if...
Iraq was the number one issue on peoples minds
for the next Presidential Election?
Because Iran will?
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:07 PM
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10. I think that was about the Hillary question. "Will voters be turned off to
Hillary because of her vote for the war?"

It was a deflection and a truth: Anyone who will vote for her will hold their nose and do it for the party. They won't hold it against her, because at that point, it will be such old news and more issues will be on the front burner.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:23 PM
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14. That would be a mistake to think we won't remember Iraq
Even if we are out, which we won't be-
The truth will be hitting more of the masses
right between the eyes, with increased casualties
walking (if they can)amongst us- avalanche debt due
to Iraq etc...
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:26 PM
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16. True. I'll never forget.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:04 PM
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9. Biden is no slouch at foreign policy. He was also very clear and sharp
against John Bolton.

Bush wound up sneaking Bolton in during the recess, owing mostly to Biden's objection.

So he's not all bad.

I wasn't hogwild about that bankruptcy vote, as one example, but I sure liked the stance against Bolton.

I hated John Bolton from the word go, but that was back when he was merely a nominee. I hate him much more now.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:08 PM
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11. True. And he's had an Iraq plan for 3 years that's more reasonable than
anyone realizes, because it involves getting the arab neighbors in there to broker the larger peace.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:18 PM
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13. Yes. He knows that map really well, and knows how to make some
of the pieces fit.

We could maybe use a little of that expertise in the State Department long about now, huh?

(Like the Schieffer image there!)
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:10 PM
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12. they got Biden to go on TV?
what a coup for Russert.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:23 PM
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15. I can't stand him, but he got props on the Huffington Post
Biden also neatly sidestepped the standard Tim Russert move: going back in time and pulling out random quotes wherein his guest contradicted his current position. He did that with Blix, later on in the show, too; it's his modus operandi. He loves it and won't ever deviate from it, even if it's Ted Kennedy four decades ago. Russert pulled out several quotes in which Biden supported squeezing Iraq in the run-up to war and contributing to the dark mutterings about how Saddam could not be allowed to stay in power. Saith Russert, practically wagging a finger: did YOU contribute to the pre-war hysteria against Iraq? Said Biden, smartly: Tim, you gotta remember what was happening at that time. Back then the game was keeping the sanctions status-quo stable in Iraq, squeezing Saddam while inspections were underway. Joe Biden did what every one should do when Tim hauls out that saw: put it in CONTEXT. O Tim, if you would just do the same.

Biden did well for himself, the Democrats and his own candidacy, hammering on the Bush administration's failures of planning, accountability and diplomacy while emphasizing how his position has been proven right time and again. To his credit, he did not use the opportunity to undermine any of his potential opponents in 2008, despite an attempt by Tim to get him to come out against Hillary (Biden also welcomed incipient re-candidate Al Gore to the debate). In short, a great star turn for Biden, a knowledgeable, experienced and respected guy in the Senate (with years on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to boot). This sets him up nicely to deliver a definitive pan-administration er, pan, in the segment's money quote:

The fascinating thing that Katrina did - it not only blew away the Gulf but blew away the illusion that these guys were competently able to deal with the real problems that Americans face....they have no intention, thye have no plan to deal with health care. They have no plan for national security. They have no plan to deal with the energy crisis.... And what are we going to do? Because we don't want to make any hard decisions? Let's go talk about flag burning.

Nice turn by Joe Biden, and nice turn by Tim in giving him the floor.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rachel-sklar/russert-watch-the-other-_b_22164.html
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-04-06 03:30 PM
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17. Yup. I liked that part: "Katrina Blew away the competency illusion."
He did speak well today. Let's hope he backs it up with the same in his votes.
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