Looks like my sources had the date for the Iran war wrong.

[benburch]

Because it seems very unlikely now that there will be bombing strikes on the 7th of this month.

Kind-o-sleazy Rice was on one of the morning shows saying that Iran had "Weeks not months" to capitulate, so it is much more likely to be some time in July if the war is to come.

I hope it does not come AT ALL, but I wonder if a capitulation now would stop it?

I will attempt to contact the people I spoke to and see if they have heard any revisions to the intelligence they passed on in April.

[rzemanfl]

1. Won't happen until after the "Divine Strake" test in Nevada. n/t

[benburch]

2. Clearly that was part of the testing for the weapons they need to use.

And when I first heard 6/7/2006 the test was on still.

Assuming they intend to move to a first use nuclear strategy, which I think they are fairly itching to do.

[JanusAscending]

13. Wasn't that called off?

or was it just postponed? I thought I heard it was canceled.

[mopinko]

16. downwind native americans in the area filed a lawsuit

shoshone, i believe, sued based on dust from previous atomic tests being made airborne.

[JanusAscending]

19. GOOD ON THEM !!! THANKS!

[Skip Intro]

3. A staged attack here on July 4th, pinned on Iran, "justifies" attack -

just thinking out loud, I have nothing to base that on, other than the (bush) regime's need to stir as much knee-jerk, 9*11-style blind "patriotism" as possible before an attack...

not like the bush gang would ever do something like that...

[notadmblnd]

4. Well I suppose there'll be an entire group here anytime

advocating your banishment from the site. you were wrong, your sources were wrong.. that means you are no longer credible:sarcasm:

[benburch]

6. Banish away!

:-)

[jpak]

15. It won't happen until after the November elections

(and Divine Strake)

Voters won't like $5 a gallon gas and heating oil (or the Bushbots that support the Chimp's I-ran gambit).

After November, the Chimp will be the lamest of Lame Ducks - he will have nothing to lose by attacking Iran (or anything else he has up his sleeve).

The next two years will be a most dangerous time...

[shadowknows69]

21. Dreaming

The PNAC demons know they're past the point of no return. The war to end all wars, and probably all civilization will begin soon.

Shit aren't I just a crate full of optimism today. Sorry DU.

[havocmom]

8. Am wondering: Does Rove read DU?

Any chance he is re-scheduling events to discredit some of our finest?

;)

[notadmblnd]

41. I wouldn't doubt it.

nt

[Warpy]

5. They'll be safe until after August, I think,

because even Stupid knows fighting a war in a mountainous country in 100+ degree heat is doomed to failure, although I'm sure he had several hissy fits over telling everybody around him his toy soldiers would do what he wanted to, no matter what.

I just hope they stay safe, that somebody managed to sedate Stupid enough that he no longer has the energy to wag his weenie at the Persians.

[havocmom]

9. Might this one involve mainly the Air Force and be done from on high?

Recall all the problems with RW xian fundies at the AF Academy? Aren't a lot of the brass of that service sorta 'wing man' types?

Any new info on the Iranian Oil Brouse?

[JanusAscending]

14. Didn't you meant to say the "Iranian Oil Bourse"?

I for one, don't understand what it has to do with whether we go in or not. It has something to do with the Euro, right?

[havocmom]

22. Yep, typo is my trademark, but have seen it spelled both ways

Not sure which is correct.

If more oil producing states go with the Euro as currancy for oil exchange, it leaves the dollar to fall. And fall it will.

THAT has a lot to do with the bank accounts of the people in power. They will not take a hit like that sitting down. But, it won't be their own kids fighting and dying to maintain their financial standards.

[Flubadubya]

52. It's "bourse" alright...

French for "purse".

[havocmom]

55. Thanks, I even googled for the answer... got both spellings

Never studied French. Can ya tell ;)

[muriel_volestrangler]

57. With all due respect, when you google 'brouse'

you get information about a surname. When you google 'bourse' you get information about stock exchanges. Wasn't that a little bit of a clue? :D

[havocmom]

68. I got articles about oil market in Iran

Some articles spelled one way, some the others

So, no, not much clue at all... with all due respect.

[Pavulon]

7. Dubious

Considering any operational plan with centcom would be top secret. Passing this information out would be a felony, and basically treason. Publishing active war plans would violate the espionage act.

Anyone "passing on" any kind of real plans not only endangers the people they pass it to (with felony charges) and endangers people who would actually carry out any action.

Europe would need to be on board for this to happen. Don' think we are there, yet. IMHO.

[Zynx]

12. Exactly. I get tired of all this "inside info" crap, Scott Ritter, etc.

IMO, it does say something about the credibility - or lack thereof - of people who purport to have access to inside info that is routinely not even close.

[Nabia2004]

17. That "inside-info" may negate the event - nt

[benburch]

75. That is the hope! nt

[bigtree]

10. the European intervention has pushed the U.S. timetable back

The Bush regime still seems bent on following the same pattern of lies that they used to weasel into Iraq to position themselves to buck the U.N. or use some security council action as cover.

They still want to attack. 'When' will be affected by whatever interference or disruption of the Bush regime we can manage.

[shadowknows69]

11. I don't think you missed it by much Ben

I don't know if you've seen any of my taxi reports (drive cab near a major base) from soldiers I haul around but all indications I'm hearing from the boys and girls are Iran is definitely a "when" not "if". August or slightly later for ground ops. Bombing may start fairly soon. Only one question remains. What the hell can we do about this?

[bobbieinok]

35. wouldn't there have to be a BIG reason for Iran attack close to election??

[shadowknows69]

40. They've been shoveling us the propaganda for some time now.

from reports of the iranians supplying the insurgents in iran to reports of phantom iranian probe droids buzzing our carriers. most importantly it seems that congress has apparently already signed off on this because they are moving the chess pieces on the board. you don't send multiple carrier groups to the gulf unless you're going to use them.

[LunaC]

18. I don’t think your sources misled you

I think the timing of the game-plan was pushed back. I’ve been discussing the likely date with a friend and fwiw recently received this:

I'm hearing that the Iran strike-date has been pushed to July. Still no word about who will actually conduct the raid. And now there's much discussion about using only conventional arms, rather than nukes. I suppose it's possible, IF you have ultra-precision weapons -- guess who's about the only country who has 'em?

The decision to forego using nukes may have something to do with the decision to indefinitely postpone the testing originally scheduled for June 2nd.

I suspect the timing was changed so * could push the “diplomacy” propaganda first. Rice said Iran only has weeks to make a decision while Israel revealed in early May that it would likely attack Iran in 2 - 3 months. So all indicators are pointing to July as the new target date.

[matcom]

20. nothing against you Ben but....

even though i stayed 100% out of the 'other' "Inside" story, I wonder if your credibility will suffer the same fate :eyes:

[havocmom]

23. New tactic idea: When the whiners go off about dates being wrong

we barrage them with all the things MSM got wrong... starting with WMD and pounding the litany from there. Sound workable? ;)

[shadowknows69]

24. Apples and oranges

I don't recall (could be wrong) Ben claiming his sources were iron clad, indisputable links to the truth. As with the reports I give from things I hear in my taxi he's just relating inside sources on an open forum. Not publishing them as legitimate news. Another difference is that something like an attack date is always going to be a fluid thing. There are simply too many factors. I don't care if GW himself signed the order to drop bombs on 6/6/06 if the airforce generals say the jets don't fly then the jets don't fly. An indictment, however, is a matter of public record and if it happened someone else would know.

[matcom]

28. doesn't fucking matter

it's ok to eat our own. we and the world are totally better off.

Ben was wrong. we should burn him at the stake.

[Swamp Rat]

29. Burn him at the stake!!! Burn him at the stake!!!

Burn him at the stake!!!

[benburch]

33. I like mine well done!

With some A-1.

[shadowknows69]

44. mmm A-1

anyone have any good marinade recipes from the burning times?

[Swamp Rat]

49. Yeah you rite! We gots lots of spices and peppers down here in Louisiana!

:9

[benburch]

59. Like I had any credibility to begin with?

I'm just a media archivist, not a journalist.

And I'll continue to post the stuff I hear, anonymous sources or not, and let the chips fall where they may.

Honestly, I don't care if people criticize me for saying what I think or for saying what I hear. I figure they get something out of criticizing me that is important to their egos, and so I'm doing them a service.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. I heard October 15

from a peace group I belong to.

[Swamp Rat]

26. AHA!!! 'Inside sources' my ass! .. you have lost all credibility benburch!

Just kidding! :D

Soon will come the time when *I* can credibly compare Bushler to Hitler (all kidding aside)... after MILLIONS of Iranians are vaporized. :hide:



Even if we turn all of Persia to glass, 'thus saving the world' (oil), this action will also bring a swift, bitter end to America.

[upi402]

32. heyyyy, Bush can't be Hitler

He's the antichrist!

C'mon Swampy, stop giving the evildoer so much slack...
;-)

[Swamp Rat]

48. ok, he's also the anti-christ

:D

[Cocoa]

27. you mean you guessed wrong?

it happens to everyone, don't worry about it.

[matcom]

30. i'm sorry. that is not acceptable

this is the INTERNET after all! NOBODY should get away with posting ANYTHING that turns out to be wrong!

:grr:

didn't you get the memo?

[Cocoa]

31. we all talk out of our asses at times

but if someone is talking out of their ass and claiming it's based on "sources" I'm not going to play along.

[benburch]

34. When I guess, I tell you.

I do it all the time. This time I did have several sources. Perhaps THEY were guessing, but that is not what they said.

[benburch]

37. Oh, and...

Right NOW I am guessing that they were wrong.

[shadowknows69]

45. And you had the class to come out and say so.

n/t

[DancingBear]

36. No, he obviously didn't

You see, he apologized for being wrong.

That is a GOOD thing.

Pass it on.

[upi402]

38. funny, seems to be a rash of disinformation, first Rather, now our Ben

:shrug:

[johnaries]

39. I was hearing the same thing, although I doubt my "sources"

are anywhere as good as yours.

I'm guessing you're right that the Divine Strake delay is at least part of the reason. I have no doubt that the Divine Strake test will still happen, despite the best efforts of our Native American brothers (bless them!).

[shadowknows69]

46. It will probably be an "on the job" test at this point

whatever the time frame it seems pretty clear these idiots are going to attack Iran or are at least going to a lot of trouble to make it seem so. their bullshit posturing about diplomacy is even more transparent than last time.

[Rex]

42. I said back in March, since they seem to love making war then.

I heard more along the lines of October, but I just can't believe this.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

43. "I wonder if a capitulation now would stop it?" If the idea is to make a

war in order to whip up freeper juices to win election in the fall, then no, nothing will stop it.

[spuddonna]

47. Still think I'll hold off on opening that whiskey in celebration ...

We haven't seen Little Dressup General Rummy lately. I'm guessing he's busy planning his next disaster...

And 'not being prepared' never prevented them from proceeding in Iraq...

[upi402]

50. This has been out there for a while, and it's not like a trip to the store

afterall.
________________________________________________
<snip>
Scott Ritter Says U.S. Plans June Attack On Iran

By Mark Jensen

02/19/05 --United for Peace of Pierce County (WA) - - Scott Ritter, appearing with journalist Dahr Jamail yesterday in Washington State, dropped two shocking bombshells in a talk delivered to a packed house in Olympia’s Capitol Theater. The ex-Marine turned UNSCOM weapons inspector said that George W. Bush has "signed off" on plans to bomb Iran in June 2005, and claimed the U.S. manipulated the results of the recent Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.

<end>
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8130.htm

[Midlodemocrat]

51. benburch. I hope you know how much I like and respect you,

but if you are wrong about this, and wrong about there being an attack at all, I will donate $100 to White Rose.

That's how much I am praying you are wrong.

I'd donate more, but I have to help out truthout and I have to pay for my FIL's funeral. (long story)

[troubleinwinter]

53. Like I always say...

"...just goes to show ya, ya never know."

[sweetheart]

54. Your assault on hillary clinton today tarnishes your rep

... There will be no war with iran. It is not affordable, and at below 30%, untenable
without some serious pearl habour event.

[havocmom]

56. critical thought on Hillary makes for tarnish?

Shit, 2/3 of the registared DEMS need rep polish. :shrug:

[sweetheart]

58. It was not critical

it was a preemptive negative hit on her ever running for pres.

I'm sorry, but dumping like that is inappropriate on this site
given our democratic consensus.

It is not critical thinking to curse your own champions for "it will
never happen" kind of hogwash.

[benburch]

60. No, it was a poll about how come people can't see that she cannot win.

Designed to stir people up and make them think.

And I believe it.

She cannot win a General Election, though I have no doubts that she can win the Nomination,

The RW Spin machine already know exactly how to Swiftboat her. In fact, they have people pre-programmed against her from 8 years ago. All they need to do is turn on the Clinton-Bashing machine again, and we go down to defeat.

[sweetheart]

62. 2006 is the next poll

Do you honestly believe that starting a fight about 2008 is
at all constructive?

I have great respect for you, sir. Honestly, how do you expect us to
look at such a divisive approach.

We need to win 2006, this fucking year, as a party, before we talk about
some fantasy future of fantasy candidates based on the fantasy outcome
of an election we can actually do something about today.

The november poll is ours if we stay current, united and on-target.

The white rose stands to gain as well, if we stay focused on 2006,
and the real present, not the imaginary future.

[benburch]

65. I agree we need to win this year!

That is a given, but the horses are already jockeying for position for 2008, and it does not seem outrè to discuss it now.

[havocmom]

66. He didn't start a fight! He commented on polls

:eyes:

Disagreeing with your passionate opinion is not starting a fight.

Promoting the person the GOP most wants to run against IS asking to fail.

[sweetheart]

70. 2006 please

Who is running for november who's a "fail" as *we* can fix it now.

2008 will not exist if november does not clear, and it is disempowering
to put our power in a future poll that may never happen, fighting over
candidates who may never even run. I don't get that Hillary is planning
to run, that she is saving her ammo for 2012 or 2016 or 2020.

I'm frankly for deleting all divisive discussion over candidacies that
are not announced (gore, clinton, warner, rockney, whatever) and
winning on the ground where it counts.

We are on the same team here, so no flames for persons i respect.

I'lll even vote as exotic a ticket as warner/clark or obama/clinton. There
is no end to our creative power if we recognize that the enemy is red and
not light blue.

[havocmom]

73. Did you tell that to Hillary too>

"2006 please"

That seemed to have gone un-addressed.

Fact is, while working on 2006, we must be mindful of setting stage for success in 2008 also. The GOP did not seize power by considering ONLY the next election. They built on steady planning for successive elections.

We will not fix all the damage without doing the same.

2006 please... and 2008, and 2010, and 2012... AND LOCAL elections as well as national ones. We have to make sure our local bases are covered and well considered. That is the footing we have to rely on to win anything nationally.

[sweetheart]

74. The present will do

We have a problem in our culture with fundamentalism, that people know in advance how its
gonna be and they live from a book in their head, instead of looking at where political
energy is formented in this time.

We need senate and house and local candidates to come forward across the board, to fight
the good fight, to be part of a revival of decency, and we achieve this by taking a
pragmatic approach, as Dean is pursuing, and by picking people in advance, we risk becoming
fundamentalists of the known-future... "thus spake god and it shall be."

Maybe God 'spake' right now, and it *is* 5 months before a critical poll in the history
of the republic and the world... it is the poll to choose or not choose a world war.

[havocmom]

64. Better start slapping me. I say that about her all the time

We need DEM Senators to stay in the Senate. They don't fare well running for President. Votes on bills in the Senate involve compromise to the point that ANYBODY can be hurt when entire bills are taken out of context for smear ads.

Add in the fact that, brilliant as the lady is, she is only a passable speaker, she evokes immediate gut reactions in too many voters, and she has gone too much to the middle to please most DEMS and you do not have a champion.

There are some politicians who are brilliant and cunning, but not marketable on a grand scale. Such people help us more by understanding there is a place behind the throne. Not all bright pols stand a chance of gaining the throne.

IOW: "it will never happen"

OK, fire away. Won't hurt me a bit.

[sweetheart]

67. Family is always better at eating their own

heck, a bitch will eat her own puppy without any moral question.

The mob will kill 100,000 iraqis without a fucking funeral.

Of course we'll eat her. Serve Hillary on a plate, include lots
of vegetables and a good carving knife and the dems will eat
their candidates before they even run... hey! the maggot party!

2006 please.

I will vote whomever the Dem candidate is, and my preference
is gore/clark, if bias is your concern. That said, i'll vote and
support militantly anyone whom y'all put forward as our woman or man, as i'm
for winning this time, and not letting petty divisiveness rot out our potential
so we can get another liar/war criminal.

[havocmom]

69. Generally, the bitch eats the pup if the pup has a defect

that would preclude the likelihood of its survival. The bitch does that for the sake of the rest of the pups.

Nature offers lessons to those who approach her classroom with an open mind.

And neither Ben nor myself has ever said we would not support Hillary in the General Election. But we are pretty sure she will lose even with our support at that time./

The GOP machine is revved for her. That alone should speak volumes about how such a campaign would go.

And since you insist "2006 please", let us ask Hillary why she is raising both profile AND funds NOW.

[meisje]

61. I hope your source is not Liepold!

[robertpaulsen]

63. Barring some catalyzing event, like a New Gulf of Tonkin attack...

I believe you are correct.

Thanks for keeping everyone here updated, benburch. "Weeks not months" is still a scary neo-con assessment of the situation, but probably not this week.

[UTUSN]

71. Buisness weeks, business months n/

[benburch]

72. LOL!!!

Had that coming! :rofl:

[Beetwasher]

76. Nahh, New Product Rollouts Don't Happen Until The Fall

n/t