After listtening to the PM of Canada, I've changed my mind about al Qaida.

[napi21]

I listed to his speach after the arrest of 17 terrorists near Toronto who are supposed to have links to al Qaida. When he said, they hate us for how we live, our lifestyles, and our values.

I have consistently believed the members of al Qaida wanted to destroy those who dared intrude into their homeland. The US, the UK, etc who are spilling the blood of Muslims in their own land have all been targets. I though most of this hatered began when the US occupied bases in Saudi.

But now I think I must be wrong. As far as I know, Canada doesn't have anyone fighting or occupying any Muslim countries.

What was said in that Canadian statement sounds almost exactly like what Shrub has been saying! Can they POSSIBLY be right????

[SidDithers]

1. Canada has over 2000 trops in Afghanistan...nt

Sid

[Mika]

2. Afghanistan.

[NNN0LHI]

36. Funny how fast people forget things isn't it? n/t

[bloom]

3. Do you mean could they possibly, intentionally say

the same things that Bush*, etc. says.

Probably - isn't the Canadian guy right-wing?

[Pavulon]

6. my enemy's enemy is not my friend..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4677978/

They have killed many thousands of INNOCENT people. Including murder in Africa and Indonesia to start..

[bloom]

20. "The Pentagon Plan to Provoke Terrorist Attacks"

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd1101.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x92532


---

Regardless of whether there is an Al Qiada or not - it doesn't affect Rumsfeld et al. having a plan to make up shit and/or exploit them.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

23. what an article at counter-punch sounds true and spooky

I've heard them not-so-subtly taunting bin-laden and the boys in media for years. so, now they'll go further. well, that's one way to bring up the polls I guess but won't rummy get blamed later?

[Pavulon]

4. al Qaida existed before bush

and will after. The talk of bush invented al Qaida and that they are a made up group is false.

[Junkdrawer]

7. The Power of Nightmares...

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

[SeveneightyWhoa]

26. That's nice, but..

..does that video in any way reference Muslim terrorists who want to kill Canadians and attack our democratic, parliamentary system of government?

[Junkdrawer]

33. "that video" makes the point that governments try to interconnect...

a bunch of independent crazies into a closely coordinated international Muslim conspiracy that simply doesn't exist. And they do that to gain power to pursue their own agenda. It's from the BBC and really worth a watch.

[Junkdrawer]

5. Say...you don't think Harper is playing the "I'll Protect You" terror...

game that Bush and Blair play? :think:

[SeveneightyWhoa]

24. Why would he have to do that?

This outrageous conspiracy talk from American DUers who clearly know nothing about Canada is almost freeper-like in its close-minded ignorance.

Freepers: "They're liberal -- they hate America!"

DUers: "They're conservative -- they're scaring the populace with their lies about nonexistant terrorist plots!"

[rfranklin]

8. They have no documented connection to Al Qaida...

I think the whole thing is some sort set-up. One or more of those involved is probably an agent provocateur.

[JohnyCanuck]

13. Always good to bear in mind that false flag terror is nothing new.

Just checkout Operation Gladio.

You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

This was the essence of Operation Gladio, a decades-long covert campaign of terrorism and deceit directed by the intelligence services of the West -- against their own populations. Hundreds of innocent people were killed or maimed in terrorist attacks -- on train stations, supermarkets, cafes and offices -- which were then blamed on "leftist subversives" or other political opponents. The purpose, as stated above in sworn testimony by Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra, was to demonize designated enemies and frighten the public into supporting ever-increasing powers for government leaders -- and their elitist cronies.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html

[pooja]

9. They are in the West and there are populations

of muslim peoples sympathetic to al quaida there. Why would it be unusual to assume that they could organize a cell in Canada as opposed to Germany or France or GB or wherever there are sympathetic peoples loyal to al quada and its cause.

[JohnyCanuck]

10. According to the news reports I heard

here in Canada the group did not have links or contacts with Al Quaida but was "inspired" by Al Quaida.

[SPKrazy]

18. Well Then They Are "Wannabe's"

which can be every bit as dangerous

why look at *, he's a wanna be president, but he's a pResident and he's very dangerous

[AngryAmish]

46. Wannabee Wahhabbis?

Sorry, had to do it.

[Armstead]

11. I believe there is a threat -- But the question is how we deal with it.

I believe there is a segment of Muslim extremists who are beyond the pale in terms of reason and humanity.

It's been the case that throughout human history there have been segments of society who are that way.

But the real issue is how we deal with it. Do we do so in an intelligent, highly focused way? Or do we totally abandon our own ideals and values, and sacrifice our freedom? And do we actually work with the world to solve the problem, or do we overstep, and become perceived as the problem ourselves?

We didn't bomb New York City to go after the Mafia.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

12. I think al Qaeda's game is different

than what the Westerners believe. Their main game is to take over Islam, and to do it via hatred of all things Western. They are doing this not just because many Western values counter their twisted view of Islam, but because they have felt themselves to be exploited by the West, at least since WWI and the betrayal of promises made by Britain and France. Sadly, like many American bigots, I think al Qaeda figures that their followers don't really discriminate between Western countries-"they are all alike" in much that same way that so many Americans couldn't see a difference between Iraq and Afghanistan.

What I think we are really seeing here is a clash between those who wish to divide the world, keeping people at odds with one another so that strict religious practices can be forced upon the people via fear and those who wish to live in harmony and tolerance. The fact that al Qaeda has launched plans for an attack on Canada, one of the most sane countries on earth, shows their despiration to make their plans of divisivness and fear work.

[peacetalksforall]

14. Canada, the U.K., the U.S., Australia, New Zealand are all members of

Echelon - a spying and sharing conspiracy. Not all the citizens of those countries support the activites of their leaders, but their leaders and a number of people who benefit do and a number of citizens who blindly believe it all is their audience for crappy reasons - many having to do with bigotry, the rest having to do with profit and control.

We, the taxpayers, paid for the Echelon satellites and their placement in that universe out there so that they could spy on us.

There is no surprise in hearing that they share the same statement of propaganda, purpose, and cover-up.

[reprehensor]

15. Harper is like Bush.

Therefore, he probably hates "democracy" as much as anyone.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

29. Jesus..

I feel like I've entered Freepville with such idiotic statements.

I live in Canada.

I don't yet live in a fascist police state like so many Americans think they do. In fact, things in this country are pretty much the same since Harper took over from Martin (the Liberal).

[mazzarro]

16. Isn't It Interesting ...

That the conserva-thieves came to power in Canada and almost immediate the pronouncements of the Canadian government starts to echo that of the neocons of the b** mis-administration?

[SeveneightyWhoa]

27. Isn't it also interesting that..

..Canada's Liberal government sent troops to Afghanistan at about the same time George W. Bush did?

What do you make of that?

[Spazito]

17. Harper is vying to replace Blair as bush's poodle....

He is, simply put, a POS who lies almost with the same ease as bush only he is more articulate about it.

[movonne]

19. Sometime I get the Idea that some of the people here write stuff

to get a reaction...that a way of getting response to their thread.Do you think that happens sometimes???

[Lisa]

21. Harper steals Bush's lines ... that's why they sound alike

One of the comedy shows up here juxtaposed tape of them both speaking -- the same words and even intonation kept cropping up.

[Canuckistanian]

22. I hear there's no connection to Al-Qaeda

Almost every newscast says the same thing - "inspired" by A-Q but not "connected" to A-Q.

And the investigators have looked for a long time.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

25. Why must they be connected?

Isn't inspiration bad enough?

As I Canadian who loves and appreciates the form of government in my country, I will not differentiate between "connections" and "inspiration" from Al-Qaeda when it comes to a group of maniacal thugs that want to strike at the heart of my nation's democracy.

[Canuckistanian]

31. Because some are trying to make this a grand conspiracy

As if it's a world-wide movement bent on destroying western civilization. So they try to connect ALL of them as if they were all taking orders from Osama himself.

It's really just thinly-disguised racism.

[Junkdrawer]

35. Hi Canuckistanian. Have you seen "The Power of Nightmares"?

:hi:

If not, check the link in post #7 above.

[question everything]

28. Jihad - returning the glory of the 12th Century

Several months ago there was a program - I don't remember whether it was PBS or History channel or other - and the history of the term Jihad was explored. It started with it being very personal commitment to Islam but expanded to take over the world, yes, to return the glory of Islam before Renaissance took over

[Bozita]

30. Could Harper's "Bushspeak" have anything to do with the softwoods deal?

Harper sounds like he's been bought.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

32. Or maybe it could have something to do with the fact..

..that a bunch of Canadian terrorist-wannabes just got caught planning to murder Canadians and take down my country's government?

[Hugin]

34. Hmm... Still not a peep about the Right Wing cell found near Dallas?

Made this group look like school yard bullies.

I wrote off any news from Canada when they elected
that PM. He's obviously using the playbook used here
in the U.S.

[NNN0LHI]

39. I was posting those stories as they were breaking

I think those threads got 2 or 3 responses. I will post another in a minute. Watch it drop like a rock.

Don

[Hugin]

40. I'm glad *somebody* is following it...

Thanks.

I thought when I saw the Canadian story... Okay, since we know
*NOTHING* makes it into the American media without being to the
advantage of the current thugs. Particularly, from foreign media.
Why this?

I pulled out my propaganda key word list...
and they were all there.

[NNN0LHI]

37. Google - somalia+canadian troops - once and see what you get

Be warned it won't be pretty.

Don

[rman]

38. AQ does not have a homeland

You don't believe Bush et all when they say AQ did 9-11 and therefor we had to invade Iraq, do you?

[peekaloo]

41. Is this the same idjit who proclaimed that the braying of liberals was

akin to " a thief yelling fire in a crowded restaurant"?

Sounds like Canada has found a perfect match for Boo$h.

Early a.m. news reports said the wannabe terra-ists are middle class citizens who were inspired by bin Laden but had no actual links to AQ.

[Bad Penny]

42. As a Canadian I've only one thing to say here

FUCK STEPHEN HARPER!

[MadHound]

43. This whole situation in Canada has the feel of Bushco fearmongering

Be scared, be afraid, to the point that you don't see what the left hand is doing, so fixated are you on the right hand. I really hope that Canadians don't fall for this shit. It has destroyed the US, and I really would hate to see that happen to our neighbors to the north.

[seabeyond]

44. our troops may not be on their land, but our culture invades their world

that is what they hate. they hate our decadence filtering inot their world. our materialism, our sexual freedom, .... thru songs and movies. if they can ban all our world from coming into their world, i am sure they would be fine.... they cant and wont be able to. they are afraid of losing ther youth to our decadence, or freedom.

[Random_Australian]

45. They don't hate your freedom or success.

The fundies think of your system about what your fundies think of Tehran's system.