Why don't Hillary supporters see that she can never win the Presidency?

[benburch]

[conflictgirl]

1. I think you left one out

How about "this is the closest they can get to having the Big Dog back in office"?

[dogman]

2. 1,2,4,5. N/T

[mdmc]

3. not a supporter, carrying petitions for Tasani

but she can win in 2008. If she wins the nomination, she can win the general. It depends on the political landscape.

[PuraVidaDreamin]

4. DLC crime syndicate moles

that may very well be in bed with the
Bush Evil Crime Family- ratbastards

[FogerRox]

5. Recent poll in NY, indicates that most NY DEMS wont vote for her

in a primary, for President.

[quickesst]

14. crappy poll....

for those of us who don't have a fixated hatred of Clinton. I chose "other" because this poll is only pertinent if she wins the nomination. If she does, I will not be one of those who gives their vote to the bfee via third-party, nor to a republican. Their best is far inferior to our worst viable choice. Therefore, I think she can win the presidency, if nominated, because the alternative to me is unthinkable. Would you rather have a guaranteed four more years of the corrupt bfee, or would you rather take a chance on Clinton, who quite frankly, is being villified partly due to inane, uninformed opinions, and irrational emotion. So, if you're so inclined, you can let your "idealism" become a stepping stone for the repugs to ascend to the throne once more.
Now, that said, Clark is the man. He would be, in my opinion, our best choice, but if Clinton pulls it out, my full support goes to her, and I don't give a damn if I'm the only Democrat in the country to vote for her. Thanks.
quickesst

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[neoblues]

15. If she's the candidate...

I'll support her, but we'll probably lose anyway. She'll unite the Rethuglicans to the nth degree. As for ever being unified, we'll never achieve it when Democrats treat each other the way exemplified in your post over simple differing opinions. That is, many Democrats have legitimate concerns over Hillary's chances of winning (and if she can't then the damage she'd cause, splitting the party in the attempt).

If you can't tolerate a difference of opinion, even if the poll was somewhat presumptive, and you want to put people--who don't "hate" Hillary but who doubt her chances on "Ignore"... then be my guest. There's probably a pile of sand out there you can use to bury the rest of your head if you're so inclined.

[benburch]

19. Pluging your ears...

And going "Nah! Nah! Nah! I can't hear you." is such an effective political strategy after all...

[DainBramaged]

26. Wrong

If 3.2 million protest votes in 2000 had been for Gore instead of Nader, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I can tolerate any difference of opinion, but the hate Hilliary movement on DU is appalling, and I will put my head in the sand rather than deal with people like this.

THEY WILL GIVE THE CORRUPT CON JOBS THE WHITEHOUSE AGAIN IN 2008 BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE THUGLIES HAVE FOR DECADES; NO MATTER WHAT THEIR DIFFERENCES, GET THE CANDIDATE IN, DEAL WITH IT LATER BUT TAKE CONTROL NOW.

[benburch]

16. I'd vote of an old yellow hound dog if it were nominated.

But there are very few people like me.

Hence I will do anything possible to see to it that she is not Nominated.

[Warpy]

20. It wouldn't make a damned difference if we

voted for her or not. She can't win.

That's the bottome line and the end of the story.

If you want another 8 years of GOP horror, run Hillary Clinton.

[DainBramaged]

22. Ignored, you are a Hil hater poof now go away

[benburch]

25. Don't let the door hit you...

...on your way to the ignore button.

[Minnesota Libra]

7. Some people have their political point to make like in 2000 and...........

....regardless of how much a vote a for Hillary would hurt all Democrats/Liberals:wtf: they are out to make their point. :banghead:

[sidwill]

10. Never say never

This is US politics--NEVER say NEVER.

If Hil gets the nomination and the Bushies are saddled with abject failure everywhere don't be surprised to see Hil swept into office.

[Minnesota Libra]

48. Oh, I'm not saying a Hillary Clinton ticket couldn't happen...............

....of course it could happen and may indeed happen too.

Rather, I was addressing the issue of some people voting for Hillary's nomination even if it would put a Democratic ticket in jeopardy. There are some people who would "waste" their vote, as I've seen it put before. Some people are simply out to make an idealogical point even if the candidate might possibly loose to a neocon/fundie ticket just. There are some who did it in 2000 and I expect to see some of it in 08 too. On the other hand, I think enough people see what making an idealogical point got them for the last 6 years that they might just plug their nose and vote/support ANYONE that isn't neocon/fundie. Let's hope so anyway.

[saltpoint]

8. There are maybe 40 people with any shot at the White House. She is

one of them.

[capi888]

9. Hillary is the "Republican" dream candidate!!! They want to Run!

The RW is promoting the talk about Hillary, from the top down....its a Rovian ploy!!! They want her on the ticket to spew the venom, and repeat the Bill BS. I see right through it! They probably have the ads all made up, and distributed to the MSM, with promises of great fortune...they are endless in the press in putting her name in front of the people, to start the drum beat. Folks, this is the Repugs AGAIN, trying to pick the candidate, they want to run against. They know the Dems are independant thinkers, and can't decide on WHO they want!!! They read our blogs!!! Just my opinion, but we must NOT let them make the decision on who will run against THEIR candidate!!! PLEASE....HILLARY IS THEIR CHOICE. LISTEN TO WHO IS PROMOTING HER!!! She is a smart gal, and I don't believe she will run. I bet they are contributing to her funds....do we have any facts on who is contibuting to her campaign?????? Just a thought!!

[the other one]

11. What you said. nt

[capi888]

21. Thank You..

I think Hillary is a Great Senator. She is smart as a whip!!! She knows what is up!!! IF she does become the candidate, I would support her. I have my doubts she will succeed or even try. Wes Clark is my choice, first and foremost, as we need foriegn policy, someone who our alies respect and someone who has new ideas, that people respect. Its time to move on. I would love to have a women President, but the time is not right in our current mess the BUSHCO, has created for us. I admire Hillary ALOT, but timing is for a world leader who is respected by our allies. Let stop being so negative and look at the issues before us.

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[Individualist]

33. I'm putting DLC cheerleaders on ignore

[Blue-Jay]

36. I'm putting everyone but myself on ignore!

Welcome to Blue-Jay Underground!

[sweetheart]

46. Its beautiful

I saw you outside, blue jay,
blue light in the blaze of day,
naught a 'morrow to betray,
lord your beauty is today.

Ancient twitter on the wind,
Wheeling free my breath decay,
time consume, and life rescind,
Falling to the earth astray.

Awakened saddened present day,
cumbling does the earth away,
leave us here, if it may,
arising at the end of may,
sprouting in the sunny day,
blue jay's way away away.

[DainBramaged]

38. Ok, I'm putting rabbit lovers and dog haters on ignore too

[Blue-Jay]

34. Can I like her and still not want her to run for Pres?

[DainBramaged]

37. Hmmm, OK, you get a pass, my hands hurt (carpal)

[Mr_Spock]

13. Other

I don't accept the premise. I'm not a psychic, as much as I'd like to be :D

[Neshanic]

17. Post-Republican Stress Disorder. Tendency to look to past...

and ignore the way things are at this moment and the rational choices we need to make to win.

Besides, the kids these days, and the no working or appreciating the work ethic and them playing the video games, who's gonna schlepp door to door for her? Not those lazy freaking kids.

[CoffeeCat]

18. We can't afford a Hillary nomination....

We are going to hell in a hand basket, folks.

This is it. This is the turning point. Either our nation will continue to slip into
Fascism---or it will be saved. We cannot afford to screw around with a Dem candidate
who is not completely and totally on the side of the Constitution and against the PNAC
agenda.

Hillary Clinton has remained all-but silent about the BushCo corruption. She won't even
state that her vote for the Iraq war was a mistake! John Kerry and plenty of other Dems
have come out and said it was a mistake. Hillary won't make that statement. Her desperate
attempts to sidle up to the pro-life crowd are shameless.

Hillary's lack of outrage on the spying issue, the deficit, the administration's lack of energy
policy, the Iraq war, the environment, minimum wage, the Plame issue--and a host of other BushCo crimes---is inexcusable. Her silence is criminal!

I don't care what her last name is. I don't care who her husband is. She's barely said a meaningful word during this horrific, corrupt, unAmerican administration. She cannot be our Dem candidate.

It should make every Dem highly suspicious--when her biggest proponent is the MSM. No Dem groups
are actively supporting her and pushing for her candidacy. The Republicans are, through the MSM. Red flags everyone! They can't wait to run against her. Her past circus of scandals, including the Monica episode--are a treasure trove for the Republicans---who will eviscerate her. She's got major liabilities---and no courageous stances on ANY meaningful issues.

Why ANY Dem would be actively pushing for her nomination is beyond me.

[Neshanic]

24. Nicely said. Exactly why she's the ticket to loosing.

[DainBramaged]

29. POOF

[DainBramaged]

28. POOF

[Clark2008]

39. Hey dain.

Some of us don't hate Hillary. Some of us just live in purplish-red states we'd like to flip blue and know that - because of misogyny or right-wing media domination or whatever - that she can't help flip them for us.

It's not hate, it's pragmatism.

[DainBramaged]

42. WE NEED to concentrate on November

Our limp-dick leadership doesn't even have a viable platform yet to convince the fence straddlers that WE are the best alternative to the horror this country is undergoing. And yet it appears that some here think that undermining the most important CURRENT ISSUES by throwing Hilliary shit against the wall will distract us.

I sympathies with your situation, but TODAY is the MOST important day of the rest of our political lives. Not 2 years from now.

[Clark2008]

50. I can do both.

I can focus on 2006 and 2008.

But I agree with you abou tour limp-dick leadership.

[flyarm]

41. are you still here i thought you were running away...bye bye...

but yet you still stay and play these childish games//why??

fly

[DainBramaged]

43. POOF

[capi888]

32. I AGREE! Well said!!

I like Hillary, I think she is trying the middle ground, as hubby did. However, what worked in 1992, is different NOW!!! We need strength, truth, and NO pandering....Its the war against Fascism and democracy. We are truly in a huge MESS. Not yet Hillary!!!

[goclark]

23. Put me on ignore because I find it way too early

to buy into what RepubliCONS want me to think.

I refuse to kick her to the curb after all that she has done to support our country.

I also find that whenever RepubliCONS start really trashing one of ours, it is because they are really afraid that they just may win.

They seem to know just what to say to us to make up afraid to stand up to their BULLY BOY ways.

As a woman I also refuse to bash her.

If I want to spend time bashing a woman candidate I will bash Condi Rice - I see her as representing a party and a a group of EVIL Doers that are not good for this country.


The candidate selected by the Democratic Party will be representing our core values.

If Senator Clinton is selected, I will support her and I will support our party.

No Raplh Nader moments for me.

[DainBramaged]

31. The Hil Haters don't understand how important November is.

[johnaries]

44. Stop using a broad brush. I am not a Hil Hater.

If she wins the nom, I will do everything I can to see she is elected. But I do NOT want her to win the nom. She cannot win. Open your eyes - the GOP wants her to win because they have already had so much success generating an anti-Hillary movement. It Hillary is nominated, it will be easy for them to mobilize the REAL Hillary haters - no matter how lame the GOP candidate is.

But whether she can win the election or not, in my personal preferences she is near the bottom of the list. I would much prefer Gore (if we can convince him to run), Kerry, Feingold, Clark, Edwards, or - if you want a woman - Boxer.

I don't HATE Hillary, but she's not n my favorites list either.

If you want to put me on ignore too, go right ahead. I'll be in good company.

[DainBramaged]

47. TODAY IS JUNE 4 2006

WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? Get us back the Senate or Congress, then spew against Hillary. Jesus.

[johnaries]

56. I agree that we should focus on 2006, but I am NOT "spewing"

against Hillary. Stop saying that.

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[sweetheart]

27. Never say never

She's not running as far as i can tell, so why not wait until
she runs or not? I don't know if she wants the legacy of bush,
I hope she takes a moment to gather her power and come to terms with her past.
If she harnesses, well, those who love her, there would be an outpouring
of goodwill that would be really impressive i'm sure.

She's a powerful and principal'ed woman, who is a totally realistic contender, much
more than you are benburch, and when you're running, then i'll take it as less than
a whining sperm remark to diminish her chances in her own progressive caucus. She
is well known to be on our fucking side, and she can win if she plays her cards right,
picking the plays. Someone should give her a copy of "the princessa".

Don't fuck with Hillary Clinton, please. You fuck with the democrats chances,
here in the unformed time, by such definitive remarks, and its unbecoming.

[Neshanic]

30. So she's progressive. Two words. Gay Marriage. See Hillary run.

[sweetheart]

35. Fine, then you can keep mccain

gezus, what are people up to. DO you want universal healthcare. Do you think that
hillary clinton is capable of adapting when she's in power, do you think that she wouldn't
have the most intelligent, well advised benevolent administrations the planet earth has
ever seen? Would you like universal healthcare, or a nuclear war.

See Hillary run, when she runs, but please until then, don't chamber the bullet.

I hope, before she runs, she logs on to DU and has a chat with us. Mabye if she
does something like that, and answered you honestly, would you change your
mind, if she showed her heart on the position? You know she's fought the right wing
conspiracy on the frontline, and all that's being repeated here, is the same black
media, the same fuck fuck starr crap to undermine democrats... and thanks a fucking lot
it worked and we've been suffereing under el commidante fucking spendthrift, in-denial,
war criminal idiot, and get out your gun, its democrat huntin' time, let's shoot all our
hopefuls in the face, and let cheney laugh.

FUCK. .. sorry, not personal, just "FUCK!"

[arwalden]

40. With A Loaded Poll Question Like That...

... I see an exciting new career is waiting for you at CNN's online "Instant Polls" department.

:thumbsup: :patriot:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

49. This country is not ready for a female president.

The only ones that could get a female in the White House are right wingers, because they'll run zillions of dollars of TV and media propaganda. Only right wingers could get the massive amounts of money it would require to brainwash this country into voting for a female.

[DainBramaged]

51. I guess all the women Senators, Congresswomen, Governors

brainwashed us ino voting for them?

What a stupid and ignorant comment.

[NoPasaran]

52. Other

They know that, all the whining from the leftwing fringe aside, she not only can win but will be an awesome president as well.



Nice push poll, by the way.

[corbett]

53. The Know She CAN Win As VP

You may have seen here in recent months my prediction that the Democratic ticket in 2008 will John Kerry for prez and Hillary Rodham Clinton for veep. I stand by that prediction and its related assertion that such a ticket would be, in a word, unstoppable.

[DainBramaged]

54. Well, I JUST got invited to watch The Hunting of the President

over a friend's house this afternoon, so I'll have to let the Hil haters take over for the rest of the afternoon.

[Coyote_Bandit]

55. She is not likely to put herself in a position

where she is likely to lose. And me thinks that is exactly what would happen if she were the dem presidential nominee - and it will happen for reasons unrelated to her ability to do the job well. Her supporters disagree with one or more of those premises.

As a whole we seem more focused on voting in primaries for the candidate that most closely represents our individual views as opposed to selecting the candidate most likely to prevail in the general election. That observation applies to supporters of other likely candidates as well. Individual priorities and agendas take precedence. There is a unity and overall sense of party purpose that is missing.

Unless they are just outright kooks or crooks I vote for dem candidates in general elections. My vote in dem primaries goes to the candidate I find most likely to prevail in the general election. Doing otherwise undermines the chances that a dem will prevail in the general election.

Just in case anybody missed it, electing a candidate is something very different than holding a referendum on any single issue or group of issues.

But, hey, what do I know? I live in red state hell where electability of dem candidates has to be a major consideration in primary elections.

[Crunchy Frog]

57. I dislike this sort of post. I find it divisive and

feel that it is form of calling out and attacking of some of the members of our DU community.

I do not believe that Hillary is electable in a presidential election, and I don't care for many of her politics, but the people on this board who support her do not deserve to be attacked in this way.

If you honestly want to know why some people here support her, you could post a question directly to them and let them speak for themselves, instead of inviting everyone else to speculate as to their motives.

[stevietheman]

58. Other: They want divisiveness and incompetence instead of leadership. n/t

n/t

[LeftCoast]

59. Locking

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