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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:14 AM
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Where's the God Damn Prosecutor for this? INDICT NOW!!! Total Shit!!
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 04:07 AM by autorank

WE LIVE IN A MADHOUSE OF STUNNING NEGLECT...THREE FUCKING DAYS TO HURRICANE SEASON...A LEVEE COLLAPSES IN NEW ORLEANS. WHERE ARE THE PROSECUTORS...WTF ARE THEY DOING, BUSTING A THREE CARD MONTY GAME? IT'S TIME TO HOLD THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATH, DESTRUCTION, DISRUPTION, AND INJURY RESPONSIBLE. WHAT DOES IT TAKE ANYMORE?



FACTS:
"People died..safety .. exchanged for efficiency" UC Berkeley expert.
Katrina report blames human errors Poor levees, policies cited by investigators

Hurricane Katrina wouldn't have breached the region's hurricane protection system had it been properly financed, designed, built and maintained, say a group of forensic scientists.

During Katrina, the 17th Street Canal flood wall protecting Jefferson Parish was about to collapse . . . but the one protecting Orleans Parish failed first
"The west wall was at the point of incipient failure, meaning if the water had stayed at that elevation just a little longer, or had the water risen higher, we would have seen a release of floodwater to the Jefferson Parish side," team member Bob Bea, a geotechnical engineer from Berkeley, said this week.


KATRINA: Contractors rake it in as they clean it up
Critics say FEMA overpays, fails to supervise disaster recovery firms

For companies in the disaster business, 2005 was a very good year. And if preseason predictions are correct, it could be the first in a series of profitable years for a rapidly growing industry that encompasses engineering firms, debris haulers and logistical specialists who rush in whenever disaster strikes.

In each area, the report finds that lack of federal leadership has left the crippled city with a patchwork system of storm protection that leaves New Orleans at serious risk:

The city’s pump system, designed to prevent flooding in low-lying areas, has not been tested and repaired after being corroded after Katrina. Three pumps failed during a light rain in April, and doubts about oversight and evacuation plans have added to the chaos.

AND TODAY --- WHAT TOTAL BULL SHIT THIS IS

With hurricane season only three days away, the Army Corps of Engineers on Monday announced that a 400-foot section of earthen hurricane protection levee being rebuilt near Buras High School in Plaquemines Parish slumped by more than 6 feet overnight Saturday, and repairs could take three to six weeks.


Who will be held responsible and what will the charges be?

Since several thousand people died and tens of thousands incurred injuries that are no doubt felonious as a result of the deliberate, by choice, failure to fix these properly, we can expect indictments sometime before the statute of limitations expires.

It has to happen or there is no meaning to our judicial system.

Thanks to poster UP2Late for posting a real news (i.e., fake) story by Reuters and poster
pitohui for his update on the failed repairs.


oh, btw, the screwed the citizens out of their votes as a bonus...http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0603/S00016.htm
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:21 AM
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1. Perhaps we shouldn't be expecting to rebuild New Orleans, especially
the parts most likely to flood. I know that would be detrimental to some long established neighborhoods, which is said, and most of them would be poor neighborhoods. But realistically, the federal government is NEVER going to build levees to the necessary standard (and even experts say "show me a levee that's built to not fail and I'll eventually show you a levee which will fail). Yes, things like reestablishing wetlands along the coast could help. But what happens when a category 5 hurricane hits N.O. head on 10, 20, 30 years from now? Do you really want to encourage people to return, only to lose everything again?

Time to face reality: New Orleans is a bowl under sea level. It's sinking. Global warming means sea levels are rising. It's pretty hopeless.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:47 AM
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3. ...fix global warming too!!!
The city has survived hundreds of years. Once they managed things intelligently, or had to do so because they lacked the resources "tame" nature. We really don't know what the tipping point is but surrendering now to global warming is like giving up 2008 before we even field a candidate. I'm as appalled as you at the studies (reported in the London Times about six weeks ago) regarding the 20 foot rise in sea level. But that's a call to action not surrender.

The federal government is RESPONSIBLE. The IDIOTS in Congress would joke about slashing levee maintenance funds. Well, the jokes on them because they're responsible for death, injury, dislocation, and disruption; directly responsible. Hey, you know what, that makes them "trolls".

Fuck them and all the elite nihilists stumbling down the corridors of power mismanaging every single project they encounter; those who create the conditions for failure then deride humanity for its failures...the people who got rich by getting born and somehow think they are the repository of some profound wisdom...they are the messengers of death.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:58 AM
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5. I say prioritize. New Orleans just isn't high up on my priority list. Too
many other needs. Like health care.
A huge percentage of the population will never return to New Orleans. This is the opportunity to prevent people from living in the areas which will flood the worst in the future. Of course, they should be provided with alternative land as compensation .. within NO. FEMA could buy up homes in safer areas from people who nonetheless have chosen to move, and give them to the people who are being forced to move.

About 10 years ago, in the rural area around Seattle, FEMA decided it would not keep paying for rebuilding the same homes which kept flooding and bought out houses. That's what's needed in New Orleans.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:06 AM
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6. Then those responsible for cultural genocide are rewarded...
...we can never be too quick to give up the cause...this is a city whose population was ABANDONED and BETRAYED through years of neglect; neglect during an emergency; and neglect after the fact. There is no reason for this to be a lost cause. When something crashes into wherever you live, you may not be so sanguine...nor would I about my situation or yours. Enough...what does it mean to be a country; to have your home destroyed by idiocy and then told, move to Tulsa. I don't think so and I certainly would not use FEMA as the guideline for any policy. As I said, they are the messengers of death.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:38 AM
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11. And shot at if they didn't get on bus (not allowed to get off inside LA)
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 04:42 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Shot at for trying to walk out of LA (because "everyone knows" the surrounding communities couldn't have taken care of those evil black people, never mind the power was on and Gretna had an empty air base just sitting there)

Rounded up and detained if they refused to get on the bus and prevented by armed officers from getting off the bus until AFFER they got into a neighborhing red-state where they could be housed "safely" in some god-forsaken part of Tulsa (perhaps the section which the Feds BOMBED in 1920 after an anti-black riot occured there)

And this person simply doesn't care.

But Lindisfarne WILL care and he/she pull a Greta Van Susteren on us the minute his/her municipality is damaged by the Bush administration...

All the upper-middle-class self-described "leftists" in my town think like this. They are "leftist but pragmatist". What matters for them is the culture wars. If Bush became pro-gay-right and anti-smoking overnight they would all do a Doonesbury and vote their pocketbooks.

You will never, ever, get the white upper-middle class of this country to CARE, and after reading up on the history of the 60s, I have to wonder if many people (the future yuppies who protested and yelled "riot on, bro!" at their black schoolmates) ever did.
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:18 AM
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16. uh....
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 06:19 AM by CanSocDem

".....after reading up on the history of the 60s, I have to wonder if many people (the future yuppies who protested and yelled "riot on, bro!"

We were yelling "Right on!!"


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:28 AM
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9. "kick the dust off our heels"?
nice
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:55 AM
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13. Well you know, "those people" in New Orleans have dusty heels.
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 04:56 AM by Leopolds Ghost
The people in Lakewiew subdivision, they don't have any dust that needs kicking off their heels, because they can hire someone from Mexico to clean up the mess in their yard (and pay them shitty wages and believe you me, many people in New Orleans would not pay a black man HALF those wages to go inside their house even to gut it. There are still plenty of folks who would not SELL their property to a black man...)

None of this reflects on Lindisfarne, I think he/she is just overly comfortable and inclined to think HIS (or her) problems are whats important. The correlary to the golden rule (he who has the gold, makes the rules): he who yells loudest gets fed.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:31 AM
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10. Just as I thought.
Being overly self-satisfied from the content of your earlier post.

You will be pleased to know that 70% of self-satisfied Americans agree with you. Health care is a priority because you could use it, just like cheap oil is a priority for farmers because they could use it and rebuilding NOLA is a priority for those who are currently homeless.

What are you suggesting? Tear down Lakeshore (which is currently being rebuilt and, in fact, MANSIONS are now being built to replace undamaged homes with the insurance money) and give the land to black people who are not being allowed to return to Ward 9, which is higher in elevation?

Or do you only believe in excluding people who were redlined out of insurance money??

Lakeshore is, after all, "elsewhere in NO".
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:56 AM
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14. Your reply is pretty aggressive; nothing I've said should have led you
to most of your conclusions.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:08 AM
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7. The post is about indicting those responsible, btw. n/t
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:23 AM
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8. Funny how middle class folks always want to close the barn door behind you
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 04:24 AM by Leopolds Ghost
They are already rebuilding the extremely affluent, 99% white Lakeshore district
(elevation: 3 feet lower than the 9th ward)
and so-called "liberals" join the chorus of limp-wristed middle class folks EVERYWHERE saying "OH GEEZ, WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO HELP THE POOR, THE HORSE IS OUT OF THE GATE AND WE ARE STILL INSIDE THE BARN NICE AND WARM,

BEST CLOSE THE BARN DOOR BEFORE WE WASTE MONEY REPATRIATING POOR PEOPLE WHO DESERVE A BETTER LIFE SOMEWHERE ELSE ANYWAY"

I have heard this from my neighbors more times than I care to count, and I live in one of the most liberal towns in America. It is a class thing, pure and simple.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:23 AM
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17. It's all about class, or, in this case, lack of class.
The "gating" of NOLA is truly appalling. You think that they'd have at least one thing they wouldn't do that was an affront to humanity.....but no, not in this life time. The * WH is the apotheosis of unrestrained vulgarity, debased motives, and soulless humanity.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 07:05 AM
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21. Wow
While we're at it why don't we just shut down all major coastal cities, the coast of CA, Tornada Alley, and any place else that is subject to natural disasters?


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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:33 AM
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2. New Orleans is paying the price for Dimson's GWOT.
Nothing exposes the fallacy of the "war on terrorism" like New Orleans. We can sink $1TT fighting an idea in Iraq, but the real terror is Mother Nature and the deterioration/neglect to our infrastructure. What can a few terrorists do to us that can begin to approach the damage anddestruction of a Hurricane Katrina?

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:53 AM
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4. Right, and * had a report from the Penetagon telling him the
greatest security risk to the USA was eco catastrophes. Shame he can't read. :shrug:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:48 AM
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12. What can the terrorists do that is worse than Katrina? A lot.
For starters, they can get Americans to spend 100 times more money blowing up sand dunes in a foreign country than we would EVER spend KILLING poor people in ANY city in the deep south, much LESS helping them.

If that isn't an impact, I don't know what is.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:10 AM
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15. The amount of damage these criminals have done to our country is
staggering. This is the HUGH price that we pay for allowing FRAUDULENT elections to seat our government. The robber barons must be held accountable for their actions!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:54 PM
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27. I think even the Robber Barons are rolling in their graves....
...wondering how this crew could be so stupid...
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:23 AM
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18. Yup
I've intuitively felt that tens of thousands probably perished on the Gulf Coast during Katrina and Rita. We haven't heard of any death tolls since last fall though they have reportedly continued to find bodies. By hiring the Kenyon corporation to dispose of the bodies we will more than likely never know for sure.

The Gov. can't allow their ineptitude be responsible for more carnage than 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11. Oh and did I forget to mention 9/11 ? Though if you're LIHOP or MIHOP or even to the slightest degree still capable of critical thinking, it can certainly be argued that incompetance was largely at fault with that event as well.

I've referenced this article several times this week and I'll continue to do so.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eve-ensler/please-dont-go

It is inclusive of this succinct line. . .

"America, those who now control our country have changed and ended law."

Ain't that ever the truth?

They think they have total impunity by minimizing both the ICC and the UN, stacking the judiciary, controling the voting technology, and the persistant "degradation of the public sphere" (aka control of the media,) it would appear they do indeed, at least for a while longer.

This is an inadvertent companion piece to that earlier link. In initially reading that article this song strangely floated through
my cranium. Especially when I read "we are the arsonists."
Some kind poster responded with a link to this very moving video
http://www.worldonfire.ca /

Have a nice day.


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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:36 AM
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19. I can tell you the people responsible will not be punished
The MSM will bury/ignore/reframe

The Radio Hatemonger League will blame libruls/poor/non-whites/illegals

A new diversion (missing blondes, democrats taking a dump) will be issued

I think the only way NOLA will ever be saved is for people who care about it and its residents to actually go there and fix the problems themselves. However, I would bet money that the people who are "rebuilding" it now will make sure that the current state of affairs remains in place. This is DELIBERATE. The Government LIHOPed this one--the film and documentation is there; we have all seen it--and is planning to LIHOP again.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 01:48 AM
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30. Deliberate? NO DOUBT in my mind!
We all saw the truth right in front of our own eyes on T.V. when the corporate media whores allowed us to see what was REALLY happening in NOLA and the Gulf. But after a few days, the media whores quickly clamped down on the story because it was such a damning indictment on the powers that be. But that little window of truth was enough for millions of people to know beyond a doubt that a LIHOP class war and race war was and is being waged by the rich and powerful elite on the rest of us. Look no further than the fact that very little has been done to fix NOLA ever since!

I can NOT begin to say how much I despise the bastards behind this bullsh*t! :grr: :grr: :grr:
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 06:44 AM
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20. Leadership abandoned the people of NOLA and the gulf coast
Decades of warnings and pleadings to do meaningful maintenance were ignored and funds were finally cut to the point where disaster could not be avoided.

It makes my blood boil to see the lack of response, the enormous waste, the lack of oversight by Congress, and the lies and cover-ups continuing. Much of the money allocated for recovery was immediately siphoned off to Bush's pals and the people and the region are still left wanting with no plan for the future.

What people don't seem to get is that most of the residents affected can't just up and move, set up new lives and jobs and businesses. They are being squeezed by the system!

I wish we could replace our entire feeble diastrous ineffectual government over this ongoing disaster. We can and should remove as many of them as possible.


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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 04:55 PM
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22. K&R
For me, those days after Katrina were as sorrow-filled as the days after 9/11.

Sociopaths are in control of this nation.

Very sick people.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:52 PM
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26. Very true, those words.
...and once again, your presence fails to deliver the coup de grace!

You must be in benign mode...let the serfs frolic for a while before its
back to work at the mill:)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 12:23 AM
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28. Either the curse is lifted, or my powers are gone.
I'm not sure which would be worse/better.

Ah, I know...the serfs are slumbering!

(I wonder if Agent Mike ever becomes suspicious of us?)
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 05:07 PM
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23. You overwhelm me
I feel SO small next to you...

You are a GIANT for our many, many causes!

P.S.: I stay away from coffee before reading your posts...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:49 PM
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24. My productivity is that of a dilettante compared to yours...more coffee!!
:hi: In fact, you, kpete, are my personal news aggregater. I don't bother with the other web sites...
just search for "kpete";)

Grazie infinite you are uno su un milione
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:51 PM
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25. BushCo can build a fence, but not a levee
Arrgh!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-02-06 12:23 AM
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29. Now THAT is a meme worth repeating. (nt)
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