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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:52 PM
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Cheney Saw Wilson Column As Direct Attack On His Credibility (Wapo)
Filings in CIA Leak Case Paint Cheney as Determined to Counter Critic

By R. Jeffrey Smith and Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, May 27, 2006; Page A06

(EXCERPT)
A recent Fitzgerald filing shows that Cheney does not let go of things lightly, and the column by Wilson -- who was sent to Niger by the CIA to determine whether Iraq was seeking nuclear weapons materials there -- was no exception. Cheney clipped it from the newspaper, placed it on his desk, wrote some sharply critical notes on it, and discussed it over and over with Libby for days.

Cheney was upset, according to Libby's account in newly disclosed grand jury testimony, by language in the column that Cheney saw as a direct attack on his personal credibility.

It was not an imagined slight: Wilson contrasted what Cheney had said about Iraqi nuclear weapons ambitions earlier that year with what Wilson had said in a 2002 classified report that he suggested had reached Cheney's office. Wilson also bluntly accused the administration of twisting intelligence to exaggerate the Iraqi threat.

Eight days later, columnist Robert D. Novak wrote that two senior administration officials told him that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, a CIA officer, had put him up to an investigation of Iraq's nuclear-related activities.

more at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/26/AR2006052601757_2.html
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:53 PM
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1. Thanks kpete.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:54 PM
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2. What a deluded man!!
Cheney thinks he has credibility.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:58 PM
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5. Silly Rabbit,
Dicks are like kids (they lie their asses off when they get caught).
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:57 PM
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3. what a stupid headline. cheney saw it as a personal attack on his agenda.
credibility is for the little people.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 06:32 AM
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22. And, frankly ...
As it has appeared all along, it WAS a coordinated attempt to out Plame ... They MAY or may not have stopped to think about the ramification of it, but they were involved in a clear scheme to out her ...

It is a SAD, SAD day for this country that the people of this country are not RABIDLY demanding that these clowns are charged with treason ... The MSM, and of course the repukes, are playing the margins, 60% of seperation, they "didn't break the law" ... But, I don't know of any example in our history that the administrative branch was ACTIVELY involved in doing something that was so truly damaging to our country's security by OUTING A FREAKIN CIA AGENT and everything she was involved with ...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 02:26 PM
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31. And the ultimate kicker is, if he had just "let it go" this whole
business wouldn't have happened. All this time wasted, the loss of his clever little Scooter to plot and scheme with, the frantic Karl, consulting with lawyers and testifying again and again instead of devising new methodologies to steal elections.

But nooooooo....the snarling bastard was like a dog with a bone, worrying the issue to death, looking for a way to strike back and get revenge. HE turned a two-day story, a week tops, into a cause celebre. There were so many other ways he could have gone after Wilson and been effective with the neocon crowd (The Wilsons cut quite the wide swathe on the party circuit in social DC, and isn't shy about speaking his mind)...he could have called him on hubris, pomposity, or any one a dozen of the classic GOP putdowns, but instead, he had to go after the guy's wife.

And what he perceived as a weakness was actually Wilson's greatest strength. I mean, what did he THINK Wilson would do? Go cry in a university library? Curl up in a ball and die? That's his FAMILY, fachrissake!

Ya don't mess with people's families. A hard-learned lesson for the second asshole in the pecking order!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 07:28 PM
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44. Very Good,
Analysis!

dick comes under the heading of "enough rope".
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 10:57 PM
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4. Huh? I thought Cheney had nothing to do with Wilson's trip to Niger
yet he cared what it did to his credibility? He's going to have to do better than that if he gets on the witness stand!

:headbang:
rocknation
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:03 PM
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6. If he does have to take the witness stand, will Dubya be there to
hold hands with him?
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 01:13 AM
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13. you mean
sit on his lap.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 06:21 AM
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20. The perfect response!
Well put. Very well put, indeed! I love it.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:04 PM
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7. BS, WP. Contradicting facts, arguing conclusions isn't a "slight"
"It was not an imagined slight", wrote the reporters. Yes it was! Presenting a case IS NOT a personal slight.

Idiots (that is a personal slight)

Cheney never tried to offer support for his side of the argument. He smeared.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:06 PM
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8. what a stupid vindictive asshole--There were no WMDs and
Cheney has no credibility
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:08 PM
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9. cheney Has No Credibilty To Attack
:shrug:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:10 PM
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10. The words 'credibility' and 'Cheney' don't belong in the same universe
...
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 11:25 PM
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11. Cheney's desire to get back at Wilson just proves what everyone
have known all along, and that is he is in charge...not Bush. You would think it would be Bush that would take Wilson's article personal and start the effort to get back at Wilson (although he okayed said effort), being that he's the pResident and all.

Bush is not in charge and Cheney is pulling the strings.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 12:14 AM
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12. Cheney is one of the most evil men on this planet.
He has to be stopped along with all the other bushco people.
Please someone tell us what to do to get rid of these murderers
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 01:45 AM
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15. "what to do to get rid of these murderers"? Throw Diebold, ES&S and
Edited on Sat May-27-06 02:01 AM by Peace Patriot
all election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

It's pretty simple really---although maybe not so easy to do. Bush's buds "counted" all the votes with "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls, in the radical, new electronic voting system, engineered by the two biggest crooks in Congress, Tom Delay and Bob Ney (and abetted by Christopher Dodd). How can anybody believe that these swindlers and liars, after setting up this egregiously non-transparent voting system for 2004, with $4 billion in boondoggle funding, counted the votes correctly--especially since there is so much evidence that they didn't? But just on character alone you can pretty much figure they didn't.

Do you trust these guys to count your votes behind a veil of secrecy? Diebold: Until recently, headed by Wally O'Dell, a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser, who promised (in writing) to "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush-Cheney in 2004." And ES&S: A spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture), initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things). Diebold and ES&S have an incestuous relationship; they are run by two brothers, Tod and Bob Urosevich. Together, these two Bushite corporations "counted" 80% of the nation's votes in 2004, using programming code that is so secret not even our secretaries of state are permitted to review it.

And until we get rid of these election theft machines, we are stuck with thieves and murderers running our government, and a gaggle of Bush "pod people" and a cabal of Democratic colluders (30% to 50% of the Dems) in Congress.

Go ask your local country registrar to show you how he/she "counts" the votes. Ask to see the programming code for vote tabulation. (You will be told that it's secret. Ask why open source code can't be used.) Start putting the pressure on. Join with others to get state/local jurisdictions to reject these machines, and restore transparent elections.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 01:20 AM
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14. after everything they have done, the fuckers view themselves as the victim
really shows their lack of feeling for those THEY are hurting. it's all about their own wounded feelings. fucking selfish disgusting heartless cold assholes.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 08:06 PM
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45. Yup, That poor sap APOLOGIZED for getting
shot in the face... He apologized for the trouble his catching birdshot caused Cheney..
(poor cheney)
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 02:08 AM
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16. Cheney should have the cell next to Aldridge Ames
and Robert Novak should have the cell next to Robert Hanssen.

Except that the Washington establishment thinks they're both just peachy. Traitors all, including the mainstream journalism mills who pushed impeachment for a blowjob but think that outing counter-terrorist CIA operations is nothing.

I'd like to see them all in prison. Release a thousand drug dealers and replace them with 'journalists' and Bush administration officials.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 03:22 AM
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17. haha VandeHei is supposedly one of the WaPost's CIA-friendly guys;)
I love watching "management" duke it out...so many factions, so many paths of deceptions, so little intellect and absolutely no wit.

These are the humorless, the unimaginative...."the hallow men."
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 03:35 AM
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18. I don't buy this story Libby is telling, about Cheney being so upset, and
Edited on Sat May-27-06 03:49 AM by Peace Patriot
here's why:

On July 14, 2003, they outed Plame (through Novak). Believable as political revenge, done in the heat of anger, maybe--and an effort to silence and to instill fear.

But eight days later, on July 22, 2003, they ADDITIONALLY outed Brewster-Jennings, the CIA front company for an entire, worldwide WMD counter-proliferation network, putting all of our covert agents/contacts at risk of death, and disabling all projects.

I think this second outing may have been the main goal, for which the explanation of Cheney's anger at an op-ed piece by a ex-diplomat is not sufficient motive. The Bush junta has near direct control of the war profiteering corporate news monopoly newsstream, and their control was even more "Iron Curtain"-like back in 2003. They could order anything "black-holed" or marginalized that they didn't want in the newsstream. The New York Times, you will recall, suppressed evidence of Bush felonies--illegal spying--until after the 2004 election. The NYT published all their lies about WMDs on its front pages, questioning nothing. WaPo and all of them were complete tools of government propaganda throughout this illegal and dreadful war, and not much better today. And anybody who got in the least uppity--like CBS--had 'black ops" run against them, to destroy their credibility. The idea that Cheney was worried about the newsstream seems rather absurd--and that he would order the destruction, and possible deaths, of a CIA counter-proliferation network, so vital to our national security, out of pique at a dissenting article, doesn't make sense. Any such outing is at minimum a felony. It is arguably treasonous. And, if he had any patriotism at all, he would not have permitted it. It is simply outrageous.

I think this is a coverup. And I think that Cheney's handwritten comments on the Wilson article might have been done as part of the cover story. I also suspect that it is not primarily Cheney, but rather Rumsfeld, who is the mastermind of whatever is being covered up--likely something to do with counter-proliferation/WMDs; say, a scheme to PLANT nukes in Iraq that went awry (got foiled), or plans to do something along those lines to instigate war on Iran. Plame and Brewster-Jennings were committed to counter-proliferation--to STOPPING the development, spread, illicit sale, and movement of WMDs. Their job was to prevent war, not to manufacture it. But the Bushites are into manufacturing war, including twisting evidence, lying about evidence, creating phony evidence, and trumpeting false charges.

It was recently revealed that Plame/BJ were working on counter-proliferation in Iran. Those eyes and ears are now gone--and the Bushites are free to make things up, and to even go in and plant evidence, or create incidents as an excuse for bombing them. So, the Iran motive has new weight. Other motives could be Cheney dirty arms dealings around the world, the 9/11 money trail, who the Bushites have been hiding and torturing (and/or killing) and other Bush junta crimes and cover ups of crimes. A covert network of honest counter-proliferation agents was NOT WANTED.

We also need to remember that this Niger thing goes way back to 2001, and the Rome meeting of Michael Ladeen and other rabid Neo-Cons (on the Bushite payroll--your tax dollars), Italian government fascists and the notorious Iranian arms dealer Manucher Ghorbanifar. This meeting is likely where the "crude" Niger forgeries were cooked up--the ones with names and dates wrong, that were so easily detectable as forgeries. Someone then insisted that this easily disproven allegation be put into Bush's State of the Union speech. And this is what triggered Wilson's interest in the matter. Since he'd gone to Niger for the CIA and disproven the claim, he didn't understand why the Bushites were still pushing it, and putting Bush in the position of having told a provable lie. He spoke to people. He called various people (Condi Rice, for instance). He couldn't get them to disavow.

Now, you'd think that people who were so concerned about the newsstream WOULDN'T PUT A PROVABLE LIE IN THE STATE OF THE UNION. Why did they do it? Was it just hubris?--'we're the lords of the earth; we can say anything we want to, and get away with it.' Or some other motive?

The WMD-planting theory of Traitorgate is that these "crude" easily detectable forgeries were used deliberately to draw the CIA out into a known position of no-nukes-in-Iraq, later to discredit them--and make them more purge-able--when the nukes that the Bushites were planning to PLANT in Iraq were "found."

This theory is bolstered by--or rather ignited by--the astonishing coincidence of dates between the Plame outing and the death, under highly suspicious circumstances, of the British chief WMD expert, David Kelly. Kelly--initially a believer in ousting Saddam--had been whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC about the "sexed up" pre-war WMD intelligence, starting in late May 2003. He was mysteriously outed to his bosses in late June--parallel with the plotting of Libby, Rove, Judith Miller and others, to out Plame. He was interrogated at a "safe house" and threatened with the Official Secrets Act in the first week of July. On July 7, Tony Blair was informed that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things" (--COULD say, not HAD said). Wilson had published his article on the Niger non-nukes the day before, July 6. And the news from Blair (that Kelly knew something more) could have been the real trigger--as opposed to Wilson's article (which was likely expected)--for what happened next; what appears to be a panicky, rushed, and highly risky effort to out Plame, involving many top Bushites and reporters. Plame was outed July 14. Kelly was found dead near his home, apparently having bled to death all night from one slit wrist, on July 18. His offices were searched and his computers confiscated. Four days later, on July 22, the Bushites ADDITIONALLY outed the entire CIA counter-proliferation network. Did Kelly find out about a foiled scheme to plant WMDs in Iraq? Is that what got him killed? Is that the real cause of the Plame/BJ outings? Unknown. It's just a theory--but a pretty good one. (There is also an intriguing connection to Judith Miller, an old friend of Kelly's. It was to Miller that Kelly wrote his last email, on the day he died, in which he expressed concern about "the many dark actors playing games.")

And, just thinking about the larger context of that period--the avid "hunt" for WMDs that everybody knew weren't there--and so much riding on that issue; the tightness of Bush/Blair at that time (daily phone calls); the horror of the unfolding war; Rumsfeld's "freedom equals the freedom to loot"; the torture that was taking place, prisoners tortured to death, thousands detained, the truckfuls of US dollars--helps place the Cheney scribblings on the Wilson article, and Libby's story about Cheney, in context. Was Cheney a bit insane at that point, obsessing over Wilson's op-ed? Was he so out of control that he would not just out Plame, and not just pick an unnecessary fight with an experienced cloak and dagger agency, but would put our own covert agents and contacts all over the world at great risk of getting killed, and destroy all of their work? Or is all this a made-up narrative with the purpose of misdirection? The context helps you starting asking the right questions, I think, so as not to be misdirected NOW.

There is another reason why Libby would be ratting on Cheney this way, and it is that this testimony is pre-planned for Cheney to "take the fall" on this matter, distance Bush from it, and protect their cleared off field for war with Iran (Rumsfeld). Cheney will take the blame and retire to his taxpayer fortified island in the Pacific, with its cellars full of gold from Fort Knox (I'm making this up). Bush will pardon Cheney (who probably has had a signed pardon all along, with blanks on it to fill in the felonies and high crimes). The Republicans will benefit with a fresh face as V-P. The "corrupt Democrats" ($90,000 thou in the fridge), hatred of immigrants, and Diebold and ES&S will do the rest. And all will be well in BushWorld.

Is this the "aspens" plan?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 06:29 AM
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21. In March '03
after Ambassador Wilson told CNN that the White House had more information on the Niger yellow cake story than they were letting on, Scooter Libby and Newt Gingrich held the first WHIG meeting known to focus on the Wilson threat. It was held in VP Cheney's office. Everything that followed is best viewed in this context. It demonstrates, exactly as you point out, that this article is reporting something that simply ain't true.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 02:45 PM
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33. Which article?
The WaPo one or the stuff in post #18?
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 06:57 PM
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37. He is referring the WaPo printing something that isn't true. nt
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 06:18 PM
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36. If memeory serves me correct that meeting would have been
March 7th give or take a day?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 07:03 AM
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24. And all will be well in BushWorld


WIRES AND WATCHTOWERS

How can the wicked smile while the world is burning
How can they turn their eyes and walk away
How can the blue bloods hide, while brothers killing brothers
Why do they divide I and I for diamonds and gold

The dreams of children they float to the sky
And wires and watchtowers can’t bring their demise
Tell me why oh why are we so blind
The treasures of love lay buried inside
Tell me why oh why do we deny
The chains of Babylon are all in our mind

The murderers clouds can’t keep the sun from shining
The wind of Jah will scatter them away
The murderers clouds can’t keep the sun from shining
Jah will scatter he who has no shame

The dreams of children they float to the sky
And wires and watchtowers can’t bring their demise
Tell me why oh why are we so blind
The treasures of love lay buried inside
Tell me why oh why do we deny
The chains of Babylon are all in our mind

Tell me why oh why are we so blind
The treasures of love lay buried inside
Tell me why oh why do we deny
The chains of Babylon are all in our mind



BANDULU: bandit, criminal, one living by guile
BANDULU BIZNESS is a racket, a swindle
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 08:09 AM
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26. Who Is Guilty? Hang Them All and Let God Sort It Out!
I'm sure that if any BushCo flunky isn't responsible for this particular treason, there's some other crime for which he or she is culpable, of equal or greater severity to the outing of Plame.

No mercy, no quarter, no pardons, no parole. Time's up!

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 08:39 AM
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28. It has been interesting, to say the least, that both the name...
"Brewster Jennings" and any discussion of Novak's follow-up article revealing it have disappeared down the proverbial "black hole". I have seen NO coverage on this at all over the ensuing months with the exception of the initial flurry immediately after Novak published his follow-up article. It seems to me both the revealing of Valerie Plame as a covert agent IN CONJUNCTION with the revelation of the front company in which she worked would be even more egregious than only revealing her as a covert agent, without the additional revelation of the front company and it's focus on WMDs.

Has the media been told that any further reporting on that aspect is off-limits? I think that is very probable. Given that those countries, governments, agents, sources that had interacted in any way with Valerie Plame and the front company would already know and have acted on the revelation when it first appeared, what further harm could be seen to be done that would cause the media to adhere to a "hands-off" request, if, indeed, there was one?

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Arazi Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 08:39 AM
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29. This is a great summation.
After I kick and recommend this thread because of this post, I'm going to go exploring on how to bookmark it.

There was a report about a week ago that a British MP was going to take a fresh look at Kelly's death. I don't expect much to come of it but it's good to see that others are still troubled and aren't letting it go.

I also believe Cheney's comments on the margins of Wilson's article are a part of the cover-up. They were too pat and reek of manipulation.

Perhaps we should get a pool going on when Cheney "retires". Unless Fitzgerald gets going soon and revs up the indictments, I'll guess it will be sometime shortly after the '06 election. Cheney still has a certain draw with a class of monied Rs who would be unhappy with his departure - the RNC needs Cheney for a little while yet. I also believe Cheney still needs to firm up his own nefarious organization to be in place to exploit the coming Iran debacle. Bush's tanking numbers have thwarted the rainmakers' plans for another war this spring - the natives are getting restless as they sense the bullshit. They haven't entirely caught on yet but as the Bush junta increasingly tries to beat those drums it's making them uneasy rather than fired up (which worked so well for Iraq....)
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 07:09 PM
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39. Plame junkie here...
I also believe Cheney's comments on the margins of Wilson's article are a part of the cover-up. They were too pat and reek of manipulation.

I really hadn't thought about that. And I love Peace Patriots theory, it makes a lot of sense, it always has. I guess it would really depend on how Fitz came upon the clipping with the Cheney notes on it.

And I have in the past thought that Cheney was going to go down for all of this and would resign before the midterms. Of late however, I am thinking that Big Dick would be in a better position to fight an indictment as a sitting VP rather than private person.

But then again I can't imagine Libby going to trial, he hasn't a defense, it has been destroyed.

Oh yeah and that part in the article where it states that Fitz has exonerated Bush as not taking part in exposing Valerie Plame, I surely don't remember that in any of his Libby filings. Anyone know what the heck they are talking about??
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 07:27 PM
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42. Cheney's "question" notes were rhetorical - the core of talking points
There wasn't a single "question" that Cheney wasn't completely and fully aware of absolutely everything it suggested. Those "questions" were emblematic of the kind of questions a lap-dog press would focus upon ... four cases of red herrings. Indeed, I somewhat recall that they're completely in line with the kind of pseudo-journalism that Faux Nooze was parroting at the time. They read like "teasers" on Faux Nooze.

Pure, unadulterated distraction and misleading spin.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 07:28 PM
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43. What I recall in one of Fitz's filings is a statment that Bush was
Edited on Sat May-27-06 07:37 PM by Garbo 2004
unaware of Libby's role in the leaking Valerie Wilson's employment to the media at the same time Libby was asking the WH have Scotty go before the press corps and give Libby a clean bill of health regarding the Plame outing as he had for Rove. This was around late September, early October 2003. When the Pres' people didn't go for it, Libby went to Cheney to intercede. Finally Scotty did give a public statement regarding Libby in early October.

That's my recollection. This also was around the time that a fed investigation was announced. But I think it was still before the feds actually started talking to people.

I didn't take the statement in Fitz's filing as a complete exoneration of any knowledge at any time of what his staff had been doing. (Unless there's some other statements clearing Bush of all involvement and knowledge in another filing that I've missed.) What I read in that particular filing still left open to me at least the old question, "what did the President know and when did he know it."
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 07:17 PM
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40. I buy into your analysis 99.44% - Ivory Soap. Here's more ...
Edited on Sat May-27-06 07:18 PM by TahitiNut
If Cheney takes a well-timed "fall" - complete with pardon (for all acts taken as Vice President, of course) and hundreds of millions in off-shore banks - it opens the way to appoint (with GOP Congress approval, of course) a replacement VP. McCain? Jeb? George Allen? Brownback? Frist? (I'm betting on Allen. He's a pathological stooge - sock puppet redux - and easily manipulable.)

Then ... if what I've predicted for a long time occurs (that Junior gets 'martyred' in mid-2008), that appointee (blessed by a "bipartisan" Congress) is a tailor-made candidate for the Presidency in 2009. The brain-dead "sympathy vote" would be worth a good 10% of the popular vote.

Voila!

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 06:10 AM
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19. k&r
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 06:46 AM
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23. I'd love to see James Baker
and Dick Cheney's tails tied together, then throw them over a clothesline (don't try this at home..)..

Of course this is nothing more than a metaphor, I'd never really do any harm to any of these people in the govt (are you listening Mr - and I use the term loosely - Gonzales?)

Hunter Thompson once said he wanted to kill "that bastard, Nixon" to his editor at the Rolling Stone Mag.. the editor said, "Gonzo, you CAN'T make threats against these people, you can go to jail! You can use metaphors and such, but no threats..."

Thompson replied.." How about, 'I'd like to see Nixon's intestines wrapped around a phone booth?'"

The editor told him that would be fine :)
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 07:33 AM
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25. OH! So NOW he's worried about HIS credibility?
All the damn lies he tells ALL THE TIME don't seem to bother him!
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 08:14 AM
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27. Its not the lies that hurt his credibility--its getting caught lying.
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DirtyDawg Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:15 AM
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30. You're Goddamn Right I Did...
...I know it's just a movie, but I would hope that Patrick Fitzgerald, or whoever ends up questioning DickieBoy, pulls a Lt. Caffey on Col. Jesup and gets him to blow up under questioning. 'Who in hell do you think you are questioning me and what I do, you 'pansy-ass mick'? I'm outtahere - going back to my bunker, or bird-huntin'...you've fucked with the wrong Vice-President, I'll gouge your eyes out...'

I just hope they have it on tape.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 02:28 PM
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32. along with the possibility that Plame was about to uncover
Halliburton's connections to nuclear arms trafficking in the ME.
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Rufus T. Firefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 02:46 PM
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34. How wonderful if it turns out to be his downfall.
Best case scenario for him is that this is always linked to him in the history books.

As much as history books pay attention to VPs anyway. :-)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 06:17 PM
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35. Kick
:kick:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 06:59 PM
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38. Cheney was caught red-handed - that's what it was about
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 07:22 PM
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41. So Cheney took it personally and committed treason.
Pretty cut and dry. If Cheney really thought this was a threat to his credibility, then why not prove the intel about 'yellow cake' uranium being sold from Niger to Saddam Hussein. Something that has been proved a lie and CONFIRMED a lie by the WH. Instead he outed a CIA agent. Treason.

Now let's see how long it takes before Cheney ends up in court.
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PegDAC Donating Member (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 07:14 PM
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46. Cheney's creditability
is an even bigger oxymoron than "military intelligence".
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