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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:36 AM
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Bush to criminalize protesters under Patriot Act as "disruptors"
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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/11/212726/954

Bush to criminalize protesters under Patriot Act as "disruptors"
by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse
Wed Jan 11, 2006 at 07:27:26 PM PDT

Bush wants to create the new criminal of "disruptor" who can be
jailed for the crime of "disruptive behavior." A "little-noticed
provision" in the latest version of the Patriot Act will empower
Secret Service to charge protesters with a new crime of
"disrupting major events including political conventions and the
Olympics." Secret Service would also be empowered to charge
persons with "breaching security" and to charge for "entering a
restricted area" which is "where the President or other person
protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily
visiting." In short, be sure to stay in those wired, fenced
containments or free speech zones.

Who is the "disruptor"? Bush Team history tells us the disruptor
is an American citizen with the audacity to attend Bush events
wearing a T-shirt that criticizes Bush; or a member of civil
rights, environmental, anti-war or counter-recruiting groups who
protest Bush policies; or a person who invades Bush's bubble by
criticizing his policies. A disruptor is also a person who
interferes in someone else's activity, such as interrupting Bush
when he is speaking at a press conference or during an
interview.

What are the parameters of the crime of "disruptive behavior"?
The dictionary defines "disruptive" as "characterized by unrest
or disorder or insubordination." The American Medical
Association defines disruptive behavior as a "style of
interaction" with people that interferes with patient care, and
can include behavior such as "foul language; rude, loud or
offensive comments; and intimidation of patients and family
members."

What are the rules of engagement for "disruptors"? Some Bush
Team history of their treatment of disruptors provide some clues
on how this administration will treat disruptors in the future.

(1) People perceived as disruptors may be preemptively ejected
from events before engaging in any disruptive conduct.

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(2) Bush Team may check its vast array of databanks to cull out
those persons who it deems having "disruptor" potential and then
blacklist those persons from events.

<skip>

(3) The use of surveillance, monitoring and legal actions
against disruptors.

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:40 AM
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1. What happens if there are massive demonstrations
and all demonstrators are peaceful? Will there be enough troops willing to shoot on such people? I hope not.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:05 AM
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10. I hope they try to arrest massive amounts of people
I already sent this to a conservative friend and his eyes are opening. He said he can't believe how arrogant dubya is.

So yes, go ahead, criminalize protesting. That in itself will win the Dems the WH in 2008.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:35 PM
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49. Microwave gun they invented....
It's a scream.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:40 AM
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2. Whatever happened to the land of the
"lively discussion. . .?" I am entirely sick of mourning our democracy.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:41 AM
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19. We need to fight to get it back
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:41 AM
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3. Fine. This street runs both ways. I'm sick of playing victim.
When THEY come to OUR events and "disrupt", I'll be more than happy to turn the tables.

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:08 AM
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14. OIh but they don't disrupt they educate...
Another unconstitutional act...Disrupter = Jew. We need to get those camps built in a hurry and don't let them forget the ovens....
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:34 PM
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48. Jon Stewart made that comment on TDS last night.
Basically saying, "Are Jews going to be aloud to stay?"
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:43 AM
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21. Can disruptions be called illiterate?






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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:42 AM
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4. this is an important analysis
Thanks for posting it.

I wonder, since Bush has been pushing the line that anti-war sentiment 'aids the enemy' if anti-war protests are also to be considered 'disruptive' and anyone who engages in this activity would fall under this criminal definition.

This is a huge reason for concern with Alito - he might very well go along with the criminalization of free speech.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:47 AM
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6. so now Constitutional right to assemble and protest makes us "disrupters"
* gets worse with each day and is leading us to civil war
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:54 AM
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8. that's exactly right
How many people are going to submit in a docile fashion to a law that effectively makes us shut up and stay home? Especially when our elected representatives won't speak or act on our behalf?

I really fear what's coming.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:12 AM
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16. depressing how this stuff is not given air time in msm.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:45 AM
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23. The civil war began in December, 2000
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:44 AM
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22. Yep sounds like that is exactly his agenda
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:46 AM
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5. I will never go into a free speech zone....
I would cease to protest at all if that was the choice.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:48 AM
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7. in NYC 2004 antiwar protest, we were barricaded like cattle and could only
assemble and walk down certain streets, so "speech zones" are already established.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:07 AM
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12. But not by law...
until the Patriot Act is enacted.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:14 AM
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17. until we just left the parade and headed to central park and
had a protest without corrals without cops and without zones. Unless you are talking about some demo other than the one at the RNC.

The point is: don't acknowledge their authority.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 09:11 AM
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58. no, this protest was on 1st anniversay of Iraq War entry
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Marleyb Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:02 AM
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9. K&R
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:06 AM
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11. But of course, republican operatives who bully a polling station
to stop the counting of votes, that's not disrupting.

That's the will of the people.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:07 PM
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26. Only in a fascist state
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:08 AM
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13. We knew this was coming
guess they are fluffing the pillows at the fema camps... Soon to open in a secured area near you!!!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:08 PM
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27. Do you suppose they will give us
trailers or tents?
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 01:47 PM
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36. Barracks
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 07:24 PM
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57. Yup- plenty of closed military bases to fill-
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 07:25 PM by BeHereNow
and when those fill up- they will
just whisk you off to a black hole prison somewhere.
Camp uniforms, food and all other supplies
will be provided by Halliburton and its subsidiaries.
BHN
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:10 AM
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15. Doesn't this country already have a prison/jail over-population problem?
Then what, forced military service, slave camps, or execution stations?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:08 PM
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28. Probably all of the above
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #15
52. don't worry about it. . . .
I am sure Halliburton can always build more prisons.:sarcasm:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:26 AM
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18. Glad to see this story again - here's the earlier thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2363410
thread title (1-11-06 GD-P): KOS: Bush to criminalize protesters under Patriot Act as "disruptors"

Always good to tie these together so all the comments can be seen.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:10 PM
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29. oops dupe
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 12:10 PM by proud2Blib
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:10 PM
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30. oops another dupe
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 12:11 PM by proud2Blib
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:10 PM
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31. Thank you I am sorry I didn't know it had already
been posted.

But it is important information.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:15 PM
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43. Yes, it's important, and when threads fall off the Greatest Page,
often when they are at their peak of usefulness and interest, they frigging disappear. It's the single biggest flaw in the DU site design. So I'm glad you reposted. We just need to link - as has been done - with the older threads so that people can access the supplemental iniformation in their opening posts and/or comment thread. Otherwise valuable info and insight is lost and the wheel has to be reinvented with each new post.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:42 AM
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20. all in all, the provisions of Patriot Act II are devastating . . .
to freedom and democracy . . .

TOTAL POLICE STATE TAKEOVER: The Secret Patriot Act II Destroys What Is Left of American Liberty
http://www.prisonplanet.com/secret_patriot_act_2_destroys_what_is_left_of_american_liberty.html
(scroll down for list of specific provisions)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:12 PM
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32. Great info!
Thanks for the link.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:45 AM
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24. This truly is a dark time for America.
:cry:
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:58 AM
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25. Not only protestors....
"or a member of civil rights, environmental, anti-war or counter-recruiting groups who protest Bush policies"

McCarthyism, anybody?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:13 PM
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33. FASCISM!!
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:16 PM
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34. you know, I wonder
The media has been claiming that Bush's latest poo-flinging about how criticism of the war hurts our war efforts is a 'shot across the bow' in preparation for the midterms. I think he's laying the groundwork for taking criminal action against anyone who questions his Iraq policy, and has nothing to do with the 2006 elections (which are probably fixed anyway a la Diebold).

As much as I hate to sit through his bullshit, I think it's time to listen carefully to what the monkey's saying. His shit always has a purpose and it might well be something sinister like this.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 12:25 PM
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35. Don't march, BOYCOTT! Foil their nazi rules!
Cancel all cable subscriptions. Organize to take away their money. Cut off their funding. If millions of people did that, cancelled their propaganda arm, for just one month, with the threat of continueing to do so for as long as it takes until all propagandists, ie, Chris Matthews et, are fired and replaced with real journalists, this problem would be solved in a matter of months, imo.

The disadvantage of marches for peace are many, imo.


First not everyone can go, so the numbers do not reflect the actual number of people who are opposed to this administration.

Second, the propaganda machine is under orders not to cover them anyway, so only those who participate even know they are happening.

Third, the collaborators can easily harrass, arrest, identify and persecute those who organize or attend these rallies.

Even more important, peace marches MAKE money for them. They give them an excuse to pay overtime to the police, the secret service etc. with our own tax dollars. And businesses profit during the period of the marches, helping Bush's economy, even if in a small way.

Otoh, since they have now declared war on their own citizens, we need to be smart. It's no longer a free country, why go on acting as thought it is?

The advantage to speaking with your money (THEIR belief, 'money is free speech') is that we are taking their own tactics and firing them back at them.

First, use the energy that goes into organizing marches to organize not paying to watch the propaganda. Most cable companies etc. are benefiting profitwise, from Bush's immoral policies and from deregulation. Don't let them.

Second, are they going to include in that Patriot Act law as 'disrupters' millions of people who have cancelled cable? Will they come to the door with a warrant, or without one most likely saying 'you are under arrest for not having cable'? I would put nothing past them, but it will be harder for them to do, and many more people can participate in such a boycott.

Third, boycotting their advertisers should go hand in hand with this, maybe a few brave souls can be assigned to watch CNN, MSNBC etc. to keep up on who is advertising. Later when we win, these patriots can be awarded medals of honor for their courage! I would not be willing to do that, having stopped paying for cable two weeks ago.

We have the power, we always did, but I doubt we'll use it. I am tired of these marches to be honest and won't participate. Dictators don't pay attention to them. They are for when you have a government you disagree with and who cares. These people DON'T CARE what you think, but they DO CARE about getting your money.

That's my two cents ~ for what it's worth.

TAKE BACK THE MEDIA! That's the only way we'll get our country back. That becomes more and more obvious each day.
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satireV Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #35
55. This is one of the most cogent and visionary action plans every posted.
I remember when Bush said to fight the terrorists we must consume more.

You take his power away when you remove his money.

Brava!

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #35
56. I'm afraid that's one I can't participate in
As I quit having cable about 5 years ago. I don't even watch the networks I could get if I bothered to buy a set of rabbit ears. I could cancel my DSL.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:00 PM
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37. What happened to freedom of assembly...
...and petition the government for redress of grievances? Did I dream that stuff?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:27 PM
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44. Yes those are so 20th century
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:45 PM
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38. Wasn't this provision dropped from the legislation?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:28 PM
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45. First time around yes
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:50 PM
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39. I hope this happens.
Because it is so OBVIOUSLY over the line... surely no one would tolerate it. I mean, I'm not much of a protestor, but I'd be out there with my KIDS disrupting the hell out of everything!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:29 PM
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47. I hope they do it too
for the same reason. :)
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:57 PM
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40. Remember when Bush gave a speech at Ohio State University in 2002...
The Bush Dictatorship

June 17, 2002

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

We have crossed over into the first stage of a dictatorship when American citizens can no longer exercise their First Amendment rights in the presence of an unelected president who, by his own admission, prefers dictatorships to democracies.

Over the weekend, BuzzFlash headlined several stories about Ohio State University graduates who were threatened with expulsion and arrest if they even silently protested Bush, by turning their backs to him, during their commencement services
.

(more)
Buzzflash

This sounds like more of the same...

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Craig3410 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:59 PM
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41. SEIG HEIL, mein Bushfuhrer. -nt-
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:05 PM
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42. See y'all in the camps!
No way in hell am I going to stop protesting this illegal, immoral war, and neither should anyone else. In fact we should gather even greater numbers, force Bushco to put millions in jail in order to stifle free speech. Perhaps that would wake up the sleeping masses.

I don't give in to bullies, I beat them over the head and take THEIR lunch money:evilgrin:
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:29 PM
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46. ...


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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:39 PM
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51. Big Georgie is Double Plus good!
I weep for America
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 03:37 PM
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50. Freedom was fun while it lasted

...

Where the hell is the media on this? Oh that's right....sucking Bush's pecker.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:10 PM
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53. I can't see that this law would ever get past the supremes;
Ohhhhhh, wait a minute. I take that back.:sarcasm:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:20 PM
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54. kick
This stinks! :grr: :kick:
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