Last Jesse Macbeth thread...

[Squatch]

I just did an AKO (Army Knowledge Online) search. There is only 1 active duty servicemember with the last name of MacBeth (first name is not Jesse). There are 3 Army reservists with that last name (again, first names not Jesse). The remaining three are a family member, a "future soldier" (aka recruit), and a retired soldier.

There is no Jesse Macbeth in the Army.

[Howardx]

1. ive missed all this

is there a link to what this is all about?

[slackmaster]

4. Link to original main thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1253554

[Howardx]

7. thanks!

n/t

[slackmaster]

2. That's exactly what they want you to believe

:tinfoilhat:

[Squatch]

5. I've never seen an E-4 with an SF tab...

[DTinAZ]

3. the video has been removed from peacefilms.org n/t

[sabra]

6. what is source of the military.com database? Do people enter the

info, or is it downloaded from some where?

[Squatch]

8. People enter it. However, AKO is the official Army portal.

Since 2001 soldiers have been required to have a us.army.mil e-mail address and profile. Jesse MacBeth does not.

[DTinAZ]

11. from the site...

http://www.military.com/Military/Locator/New/LocatorHelp/0,11991,,00.html#data

However, the profiles are self-created and prone to fraud, in that there isn't any cross-checking with official sources.

DT

[Scoody Boo]

12. There is no record of him ever being in the Army...

even on the DOD database. The guy was a fraud. I had him pegged for a fraud the second I saw his fake Army photo wearing the Ranger Beret draped over the wrong side.

[Squatch]

15. How many Ranger/SF types only earn a "Marksman"

qualification with their weapon? That Maltese cross is the Marksman badge. It represents that a soldier has achieved the *minimum* qualifications standards for his/her weapon.

I'm sure that a person with an SF tab, Ranger tab, Combat Action Badge (second award), and Combat Infantryman's Badge (second award) would be a little more proficient with his weapon.

As an active duty soldier, this REALLY chaps my ass.

[grytpype]

16. Is is possible to have both a CAB and and CIB?

[Squatch]

17. Possible, yes. Would an Infantryman wear both? No way.

The Infantry, as a whole, looks down on the CAB as an affront to the CIB.

Here's the reg excerpt:

(d) Soldier must not be assigned/attached to a unit that would qualify the Soldier for the CIB/CMB. (For example, an 11B assigned to Corps staff is eligible for award of the CAB. However, an 11B assigned to an infantry battalion is not eligible for award of the CAB.)

(11B is the standard infantry rifleman's MOS - military occupational specialty)

[Scoody Boo]

21. All 11 series are eligible to qualify for the CIB.

My MOS was 11C (Indirect fire Infantryman. Fancy way of saying I operated an 81mm Mortar). I was awarded my CIB after Panama. My cousin was an 11M (TOW Missile Crewman) and got his CIB in Desert Storm.

[tabasco]

18. LMAO. AKA the coveted "Bolo Badge"

Maybe had a bad day on the range @ last qualification.

You have to shoot pretty bad to get the "Bolo Badge!"

[Scoody Boo]

19. To be fair...

the Marksman badge on his profile is for pistol.

[Squatch]

20. So, I guess the laser sight doesn't help...

[MH1]

39. Thanks, I saw that too.

But it's been a while for me so I thought I might be wrong.

It just doesn't look right to have a MARKSMAN badge (lowest range qualification) next to a special forces tab! My first thought was "there's something wrong with this picture!"

[peacebaby3]

23. I saw the video yesterday and didn't even mention it to my husband.

I don't know much about the swag (I think that is what they call it). Maybe I should, but I don't. I do know why the US flag looks backward because it looked crazy so I asked, but I did think that photo looked really fake. I can't imagine an official photo where the top of the person's head is chopped off and he looks so sloppy.

I stayed out of the conversation like I do quite a few here on DU now because of all the visceral reactions if you don't "walk the line."

[peacebaby3]

22. All I can tell you is that my husband has one and I think he has to have

it. I actually even have one, but I never use it.

[Lars39]

9. How would one find out about someone who claims

to have been a Navy seal during VN?

[Squatch]

10. Ask the Navy (under FOIA)

[Scoody Boo]

14. There are a couple of sites dedicated to this...

like most military sites they lean right, but their info is good. I'll try to come up with a few links.

[davepc]

24. These guys will help you

http://veriseal.org/

VeriSEAL is one of only a small number of BUD/S database custodians in the world. The database, compiled by the U.S. Naval Special Warfare Command and Naval Special Warfare Archives, is a complete record of all graduates of Basic Underwater Demolition / SEAL (BUD/S) training from the 1940s to the most recent graduating BUD/S class. While the information contained in the database is not classified, it is sensitive. VeriSEAL maintains appropriate security measures and restricts direct database access to authorized CTP personnel only.

More than half a dozen U.S. Government agencies, in addition to state and local law enforcement agencies and the general public, have utilized VeriSEAL to provide immediate SEAL background verifications on government employees, contractors, suspected criminals and others who claim service in the U.S. Navy SEAL Teams.

Approximately 95% of the Subjects of verification requests are Navy SEAL or other SOF impostors.

VeriSEAL is an exclusive service of Security Enterprise Consultants. It is a no-cost public service. No fees have ever been charged to, or requested of, any user. Donations are neither solicited nor accepted. All verification requests are strictly confidential.

[Dunvegan]

27. (!) I believe you and I were typing up VeriSEAL posts at the same time.

Yes...I've sent in a VeriSEAL request already.

If they respond, I'll post here.

I'm betting I'm not the first to report Mr. MacBeth to them for vetting.

[jmowreader]

41. veriseal.org will help you

Here's a fun page:

http://sec-global.com/services/ctp/vsg/polygraph.html

These guys have a complete database of everyone who's ever graduated from SEAL school, which is called BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL). If you're not a BUD/S grad, you're not a SEAL.

If you claim to have been a UDT member, which is also called a frogman, you've been to UDTR--Underwater Demolition Team Replacement.

This is not an option. You can be the king of the snake-eaters, but if you want to be a SEAL you have to go to SEAL school.

[Rosemary2205]

13. That poor kid

he's about to find out what Austin 3:16 means. :)

[Leopolds Ghost]

31. Austin 3:16? What does it mean?

I know the 11th commandment is "Thou shalt not piss against the wall"

(At least, according to Mark Twain).

Never heard of Austin 3:16.

[Dunvegan]

25. I've contacted VeriSEAL.org regarding Mr. MacBeth's authenciticy.

Their website is at www.veriseal.org

This is a group of Special Forces vets that have access to databases of all SEAL members.

The VeriSEALs work with other Special Forces verification groups to identify people who falsify Special Forces experience and service claims. So, although Mr. MacBeth does not claim to be Navy SF, the VeriSEALs have considerible experience and reliability in cross-checking validity of service with other SF branches.

I know they have quite a backlog, and I'll bet I'm not the first to send them Mr. MacBeth's name and claims, however, if they write back I'll post their findings here at DU.

VeriSEAL Group provides independent, no-cost verification of Special Operations Forces personnel backgrounds to SEC associates, clients and law enforcement. Requests from the general public are considered on a case-by-case basis.

VeriSEAL was formed in 1992 as an independent, internal unit of the Counter-Terrorism / Protection Group (CTP). Our mission was to arm SEC Corp. (USI) with the ability to provide associates and clients worldwide with immediate confirmation of SEAL and other SOF credentials. That mission was expanded to a gratis public service in 1994 with the commissioning of the 'Hall of Shame' under the auspices of 'The Teams' website (no longer online) -- the first such list to make public a roster of individuals masquerading as elite force operators. 'The Teams' was also the first Navy SEAL website on the Internet.

VeriSEAL is one of only a small number of BUD/S database custodians in the world. The database, compiled by the U.S. Naval Special Warfare Command and Naval Special Warfare Archives, is a complete record of all graduates of Basic Underwater Demolition / SEAL (BUD/S) training from the 1940s to the most recent graduating BUD/S class. While the information contained in the database is not classified, it is sensitive. VeriSEAL maintains appropriate security measures and restricts direct database access to authorized CTP personnel only.

More than half a dozen U.S. Government agencies, in addition to state and local law enforcement agencies and the general public, have utilized VeriSEAL to provide immediate SEAL background verifications on government employees, contractors, suspected criminals and others who claim service in the U.S. Navy SEAL Teams.

Approximately 95% of the Subjects of verification requests are Navy SEAL or other SOF impostors.

[davepc]

26. I don't think they'll be able to help you

They only handle guys claiming to be Navy SEALs, and only have access to the Navy database.

MacBeth claimed to be an Army Ranger.

[Dunvegan]

28. Actually VeriSEAL works their SF contacts in the Rangers...

...and other Special Forces groups to research non SEAL SF claimants.

Check out their VeriSEAL "SEAL CHECK" page: http://sec-global.com/services/ctp/vsg/vrf.html

(Edited to add: Specifically, look at the drop-down menu under "Suspect's SOF Claim", which includes "US Army SF.")

[davepc]

29. Good to know!

I need to read a little more carefully! :)

[Dunvegan]

30. Well, it's not well hyped at VeriSEAL that they do other vetting...

...since they are mainly focused on SEAL imposters, being a SEAL veteran site.

However, since they were the first reliable SF claim investigative site, they have taken on "special cases" involving backgrounding other SF claimants before.

I think Mr. MacBeth's claims are such that he should not mind verification, and (as has been said) "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof," so his claims require verification.

If he's telling the truth, we need to have him verified.

If he's lying, we need to shut this delusional young man totally down.

Many claim SF to inflate their egos. I don't think that's all the story here if Mr. MacBeth is indeed fabricating. He could be a very small time conman, who's basically impoverished and is living off his stories in some manner. He could be inflating pseduo-truths. He could be operating under some form of PTSD. He could be anything. Just joining up with IVAW is not certification or authentication, as the organization does not require a full military background check for each member. Although, if Mr. MacBeth does turn out to be flying under false colors, IVAW might just consider doing such in the future.

The background vetting actually falls on the filmmaker. They should have introed Mr. MacBeth with their research into his service prior to introducing him on film...or added such background verification in the credit scroll at the end of the video.

Mr. MacBeth is currently an "unknown quantity"...however, to lie on film regarding US SF atrocities would be going beyond the pale with a charade.

I'm personally reserving all judgement until we get a true or false bill that can hold water.

[davepc]

32. IVAW Statement on MacBeth Video

http://www.ivaw.net/

IVAW Statement on MacBeth Video

Iraq Veterans Against the War recently learned of a video interview with Jesse MacBeth that directs viewers to IVAW’s website and phone number. IVAW was not made aware of the creation of this video program and our input on it was never sought by its producers. Jesse MacBeth is not a spokesperson for IVAW and any claims made by MacBeth about his service have not been verified. We are currently investigating these claims and will have a full statement pending its resolution.

[Dunvegan]

33. Have been contacted by VeriSEAL...working on this now.

Meanwhile, the statement from the US Army seems to be the "gold-standard" so far in statements regarding Mr. MacBeth.

I'll post the VeriSEAL findings when they next correspond.

[Squatch]

34. Thanks a bunch. (more)

I think that this person is going to get hurt in the very near future... I've read quite a bit of conversations on military fora in which actual Rangers are going to approach this A-hole.

[tabasco]

35. Probably more phony Rangers babbling on those websites.

Most Rangers I know would just think it is pathetic and laugh at him.

Not the first faux war vet and certainly won't be the last.

[Squatch]

36. Not on this particular website.

Check your PM.

[Dunvegan]

37. From Bad to Way Worse...

Looks like Jesse has a bench warrant handed down today for failure to appear on an assault in the first degree/violation of protection order rap.

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/warrant-out-for-ranger-macbeth-for-assault/

But that's not the real mess here, folks...THIS is:

In other news, seems his original name (*sigh*) was originally Jesse Al-Zaid...changed when he was at two years of age:

"The Pima County AZ records also show that Jesse Adama Al-Zaid’s parents are named Alrahman Al-Zaid and Leisha Campbell."

http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/jesse-adam-macbeth-was-born-jesse-adam-al-zaid/

I just have to wonder if this is one boot-leather stupid half-homeless con-artist that found some sort of free lunch with IVAW, and milked it until he was in over his head...or, some real piece-of-work con-artist that decided he was "in solidarity" with the Iraqis and went all "Micky Mouse mujahadeen" and suckered the IVAW on a nut-case agenda.

Whatever...this is ALL BAD for EVERYONE on EVERY SIDE of this charlie foxtrot.

[greenchillies]

38. devil's advocate

His military records could have been deleted as soon as this video came out, or even as military intelligence picked up on the fact that they were shooting it. At least i would think so.

And as to the dress irregularities in the photo, could he not have taken this as a sign of protest, and done everything backwards?

On his appearance, what if he let himself go (no exercise, poor diet) because he was totally fucked up in the head over this.

How hard would it be to get some criminal charges or warrants made up on quick order? We are talking about the resources of the U.S.' intelligence/military apparatus.

My mind is seesawing between the possibilities that he will be 1) discredited FALSELY, and 2) discredited, furthering the war-makers' agenda (he was setup as a patsy in order to fall). ... and 3) like you said Dunvegan, "...was in solidarity with the Iraqis..."

[MH1]

40. Publish a copy of his DD214.

Has he done that yet?

Seems to me that would put things on the path to being cleared up.