B.Ward said the religious right considers contraceptives a sin

[quinnox]

Last night Bernie Ward said the next target for the religious right is birth control, they want to limit it as much as possible and the goal is to eventually make it unavailable completely. The reasoning is they think it is just as bad a sin as abortion. So get ready for it, any sexuality must be for procreation only!

[Avalux]

1. So that's why women should act as if they're "pre-pregnant"

That article I just read made me sick. All women of child-bearing potential should act as if they might get pregnant at any time. If contraceptives are unavailable, it'll be true. No more sex for fun!! Only to have babies!!

Why are we regressing?? It's frightening.

[atreides1]

2. The more the Religious Right

try to stick their noses into peoples personal lives, the more I'd like to help them get raptured!!!

[hashibabba]

3. I knew they were squawking about the RU486 pill

but I thought why wouldn't they rather have that than abortion?

[neoblues]

4. It's even been suggested....

that they are so anti-abortion/anti-choice because it's a form of birth control.

I can only figure that the Christian (especially the Catholic) Church is worried about it's future! Muslims are multiplying like rabits. Children are the easiest and most permanent (not permanent, but more permanent than most other forms of converts) converts--a prime source of new Christians with which to fill the recruting demands of the next generation. So, logically, the more babies the better. Even if the parents aren't converted, living in the United States of Christ, there's a good chance they will infect their minds. Outside the country, wherever they're proselytizing/evangelizing, so too there's a good chance to get the kids--ergo obstruct all attempts by any other organization to provide life-saving condoms/birth control. Just a guess.

[merbex]

5. 2 houses down from me lives a man who studied to become a priest

he married a woman who was studying to become a nun.

I grew up with his kids,played in his house and yard as a child. He and his wife have had separate bedrooms their entire married life and I know that because as a child I remember asking one of their kids - why don't your parents sleep in the same room - I must have 7-8 years old - 2 of their daughters told me that "parents should only sleep together when they are trying to have kids"

He is as right- wing as they come. He really does think contraception is wrong in all forms and he is not shy about saying so either.

[Skidmore]

6. We need some big-assed rallies for women around keeping the

rights to contraception. Why aren't we heraing anything from our women legislators and leaders. If the congress makes a move to outlaw BC pills it will be the kiss of death for them. Our government is not the legislative arm of the Catholic church.

[seabeyond]

7. yup yup yup ..... but all those women and girls i have

lectured the last two years.......... dont listen to me. damn good thing i am getting so old, well, and hubby snipped snipped

you know, may wake up our lazy young women who are thinkin all these rights they have are ..... without a fight

[elehhhhna]

8. They should just come out & say it: Fucking is a sin. There.

[GoneOffShore]

9. This was detailed several weeks ago

in the NYT Sunday Magazine - The War on Contraception.

Contra-Contraception
By RUSSELL SHORTO - Unfortunately it's on Times Select so the link would be useless.

Dan Savage of Savage Love also addresses this and has quotes from the article.
http://philadelphiaweekly.com/view.php?id=12203 Scroll halfway down.
<snip>
Straight rights update: I've been running around with my hair on fire trying to convince my straight readers that religious conservatives don't just hate homos. Their attacks on gay people, relationships, parents and sex get all the press, but the American Taliban has an anti-straight-rights agenda too.

As I wrote on March 23: "The GOP's message to straight Americans: If you have sex, we want it to fuck up your lives as much as possible. No birth control, no emergency contraception, no abortion services, no lifesaving vaccines.

If you get pregnant, tough shit. You're going to have those babies, ladies, and you're going to make those child-support payments, gentlemen. And if you get HPV and it leads to cervical cancer, well, that's too bad. Have a nice funeral, slut."

After raising the alarm for months back here in the sex ads section, I was intensely gratified to read Russell Shorto's brilliant cover story "The War on Contraception" in The New York Times Magazine last weekend. To readers who think I'm being hysterical: So you don't think the religious right would seriously go after birth control? Fine, don't believe me. But maybe you'll believe Shorto when he lays out the American Taliban's plan to deny access to birth control-any and all types, folks, not just emergency contraception.

"In particular, and not to put too fine a point on it, they want to change the way Americans have sex," Shorto writes. "Contraception, by logic, encourages sexual promiscuity, sexual deviance (like homosexuality), and a preoccupation with sex that is unhealthful even within marriage."


There is more, and Savage, the man who popularised the word 'santorum' (http://www.spreadingsantorum.com NOT AN OFFICE FRIENDLY SITE!! ), is doing his best to wake up us 'breeders' to the danger of the theocrats.

[4morewars]

10. Every sperm is sacred !

"Every Sperm Is Sacred",
Lyrics by Michael Palin and Terry Jones

There are Jews in the world, there are Buddists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then
There are those that follow Mohammad, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six footer,
You don't have to have a great brain,
You don't have to have any clothes on,
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came, because

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs,
On the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Morman,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is useful,
Every sperm is fine,
God needs everybody's,
Mine, and mine, and mine.

Let the pagans spill theirs,
O'er mountain, hill and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

[sinkingfeeling]

11. Been their theory for the last 200 centuries or so.

[Emit]

12. I just have to re-post this story

it's so apropos for this thread and I'm still shaking my head every time I think about this show I caught:

From a previous thread, similar topic:

I happened to catch a tv show the other day...at a friend's house (he had a lot more channels than I). I was literally shocked to see what appeared to be an entire channel devoted to "pro life" issues. The particular show I caught was with a talk show host who was a Catholic Priest and his guests were these two women pro life activists -- one who ran a "retreat" for women who have had abortions and another lady who worked for the show and organized pro life stuff.

Anyway -- The entire show focused on the fact that the latter of these two women had "contracepted" during the beginning of her marriage, and she had participated in the retreat that the other lady offered as a way for her to deal with her guilt and grief at having "aborted" children through her "contracepting." And, they then had a segment from a doctor who claimed birth control pills act as a form of abortion, etc., etc. And they discussed how at first the women who had "medical abortions" did not accept her but once she "educated" them about "contracepting" she was accepted as a grieving member of their clique.

This woman stated that at the retreat, she had been able to break through her grief and guilt and even was able to name two of her aborted children.

So basically, she was married, used birth control for family planning, and now was grieving the "children" she "aborted" through "contracepting."

A big part of this, too, was about blaming the Catholic church who, in the 70's, had told this woman it was okay for her to use the pill.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1122480#1122663

[Arkansas Granny]

20. IMO, these women have more deep seated problems than

"contracepting". I wonder if they felt that level of grief while they were using contraception or if it had been foisted upon them at a later date when they relized the "error of their ways". If these women feel that it is wrong to use birth control, that's their business. I don't see what business it is of theirs, however, if other women do not share their belief. They have made their decisions on misinformation and not fact.

[TahitiNut]

13. The 'religious right' is angry because condoms ...

... only come in 'Large' and 'Extra Large' ... no 'Medium' or 'Small'. They feel left out when they can't find the right size.
:evilgrin:

Doesn't bother me, though. I'm celebate.

[ComerPerro]

14. Well, they will still use it

Trust me.

I know some very conservative Catholics who still have sex (not married), and use condoms AND birth control!

[scorpiogirl]

15. If he believes it's a sin, he shouldn't use them.

I am so sick of this shit! :mad:

[wryter2000]

16. It's obvious

They're antisex. They'd be against it completely except they want babies (of the right color). Anything that allows people to have sex without producing babies is a sin in their book.

[Ms. Clio]

17. "procreation not recreation"

in the immortal words of John "Make More White Babies" Gibson.

[godhatesrepublicans]

18. A Fundie in Tennessee burned down a porn store a few weeks back.

from http://thepaincomics.com/ =

"I learned about this from CNN while eating Sunday brunch a couple of weeks ago. A twenty-year-old student at Crown College, a Baptist institution in Powell, Tennessee, dressed up as a ninja and used a fake gun to drive employees out of an adult bookstore before dousing the place with gasoline and setting it on fire. He experienced an attack of conscience after getting into a car accident which he felt was a sign from God, and his college President, to his credit, called the police and urged the confused youth to turn himself in. The owner of the bookstore, on learning it was torched for religious reasons, wanted to charge the boy with a hate crime. This made me very happy."

[godhatesrepublicans]

19. *sigh*

Man who confessed to adult bookstore arson thought it was "God's will"
May 5, 2006

KNOXVILLE (WATE/AP) -- A grand jury in Knoxville will decide whether to charge a Bible college student in the burning of an adult bookstore.

Twenty-year-old Benjamin Daniel Warren told authorities he put on a Ninja outfit and torched the bookstore, believing he was doing God's will.

For weeks after the fire, investigators had no leads, not until Warren let it slip.

"When I heard the rumor that this young man may have been involved in this or may have done this, I immediately called police," says Dr. Clarence Sexton.

[EC]

21. Some of my ex-friends who voted for ** last time

I told them that they'd lose their birth control and they wouldn't believe me, so I did say that I'd give them the old "Told you so..." ahead of time, because it was a certainty...These same women are friends with my daughter and her SO, who are gay and didn't seem to care that they were being ostracized by these people either, so of course my daughter and SO told them to get out of their house since they were backing **, it meant that they didn't care what happened to them...They were so myopic, they actually said well, it's only about marriage, not against being gay...they just didn't get the hate it pumps up...Well, I am mean spirited when it comes to defending my daughter, so I hope they all end up pregnant....

[TheWraith]

22. Never going to happen, not in a thousand years.

The Republican politicians and their more mainstream supporters would never go for it because they know that if they even seriously put forth the idea outside of Utah or Alabama it would mean their complete destruction as a political entity. There's no way in hell they would ever do something that suicidal, no matter how much the wingnut right wants it. Hell, they haven't even breathed in the general direction of abortion despite having controlled every branch of government for at least four years. They don't actually want to serve the fundies, they just want to keep 'em riled up and ready to vote on some nonsense issue, without losing all support among sane people. This is one of those places where Republican hypocrisy works in our favor--the leadership pretends to support these things, but they're really only interested in getting and retaining power.

[wicket]

23. I've need the pills for medical reasons long before I needed it for BC

These people are fucking anti-women fascists :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Pobeka]

24. Religious right is too flattering. Christian extremists is what they are.

An the * counts on the support of the extremists.

Call them what they are, I say.