***C-Span 3, Hayden Hearings Thread 4***

[Viva_La_Revolution]

thread 3 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1225413

[dogday]

1. I like being the first to post

Hatch can kiss my ass!!!!

[spanone]

2. Where is Haydens outrage for Valerie Plame being outed????

This is a bullshit inquiry.

[mrcheerful]

3. What made you think it would be anything more then what you

saw at the SC BS session?

[spanone]

5. Call me an optimist.

[Sydnie]

4. thanks Viva!

This is amazing!

[The Witch]

6. Who just said that about doubletalk??

:wow:

[spanone]

8. Pat Roberts, I believe.

[The Witch]

11. He wasn't talking about Hayden, then, was he? I missed the context.

It seemed uncharacteristically candid for a repuke.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

7. Warner up

kissy kissy, highest regard, lick lick slobber

[The Witch]

10. that's my senator.

:eyes: He thinks it's so thoughtful that he actually sends me snailmail replies. I wish he'd lose my address. :eyes:

[mrcheerful]

14. Yep and at the end of the day we will hear

thump as the rubber stamp comes banging down on our heads. Sorry, but this is just going through the motions BS. I believed in the system until the SC BS gab-a-thon for Alito.

[tridim]

9. Has anyone asked him yet to clarify his view on the 4th ammendment?

[The Witch]

12. Yes, DiFi got him. Check earlier thread. n't

[Drum]

13. Senator Feinstein, just before lunch

H equivocated and abbreviated

[dogday]

15. Iran????

:wtf:

[EVDebs]

16. Any congressman/woman mention of NSA Op Firstfruits ?

Maybe newspeople could slip a piece of paper in front of a Dem senator on the sly while the cameras are off...

In this atmosphere a whistleblower has to be almost suicidal careerwise to speak out about illegal activity. Russell Tice, I heard, has been labelled a psycho by the NSA's drs. Maybe they'll look into others in the DOD and Bush administration. One can only dream.

[Marie26]

17. What is that?

I've never heard of it before.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

18. info from DKOS

While doing research on a post discussing the recent speech by Vice-President Al Gore, I discovered a webpage/blog called MediaChannel.org which described a secret NSA program called FirstFruits whose aim is even more dark and heinous than anything previously discussed concerning the current scandal of performing warrantless surveillance of partially domestic al-Qaeda communications

The allegation was that the NSA has been spying for some time on their own employees. People who resisted going along with the "party-line" of the administration.

Let that sink in for a second.

Just wait, it gets worse after the flip.

more here - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/19/14619/9977

[dogday]

20. The Spies are Spying on the Spies???? nt

[Sydnie]

23. Sure, they came in knowing just how they did it to Clinton

and they were going to be damned if they were going to let it happen to them. Makes perfect sense to me that they would begin from day one to "curb leaks and know who was in the room".

Paranoid and corrupt sums it up for me.

[EVDebs]

32. Any DeltaForce secretaries like Linda Tripp leaking .....think about that.

[EVDebs]

19. The NSA's pre-9/11 spying program internally and toward journalists

to prevent leaks, supposedly, but to suppress any internal outing of illegal activity that could reach the press. Google it, you'll see very little mention. Wayne Madsen's report on it is good.

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/12/29/74957/493

Obviously the target of this program wasn't the NSA employees but the journalists, and suppression of illegal activity. Being pre 9-11 is also important since it corroborates Greg Palast's 'Khan Job' article's mention of another pre 9-11 NSA 'policy shift':

"".. A top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity said that, after Bush took office, "There was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off " from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the Bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, "follow the money," was now violated, and investigations-at least before September 11-began to die. ""

from 'Khan Job'
www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=312&row=0

I wish I knew how to do 'highlighting' of text, but you can see the two 'policy shifts' being pre-9/11 show me a 'smoking gun' of foreknowledge of 9-11 activity of some kind. If it all went horribly wrong, then this guy Hayden is entirely the WRONG MAN for the position.

Check into Ptech (now GoAgile), which is still working for the WhiteHouse and DOD. Whistleblower Indira Singh has spoken out about this to no avail.

Closed session, anyone ? I wonder why. And this article from a conservative site..

Dollars of terror
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730

""Ptech is used primarily to develop enterprise blueprints at the highest level of US government and corporate infrastructure. These blueprints hold every important functional, operational, and technical detail of the enterprise. A secondary use of this powerful tool is to build other smart tools in a short period of time. Ptech’s clients in 2001 included the Department of Justice, the Department of Energy, Customs, Air Force, the White House, the FAA, IBM, Sysco, Aetna, and Motorola, to name just a few. ""

Hmmm. FAA, and 9-11 wargames like Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Guardian, Northern Warrior, Tripod II, and that CIA 'plane into building' exercise. Go figure.

[Marie26]

21. Thanks

Wayne Madsen? Isn't there some question about his stories? That sounds pretty scary, but if Madsen is the original source of the story, it'll be hard to justify bringing it up at a Congressional hearing...

[EVDebs]

27. He used to work for NSA. Look into my post again. I've added to it above

[Marie26]

46. May be a connection

Oh, yeah, I'm not saying it's wrong. Sound exactly like what they'd do. It's just that it needs a different source to break out into the MSM, hearings, etc. There's a lot of suspicious things about this adm., from the elections to the Bin Laden connections. That NSA "policy shift" could be because they were planning something (as you suggest), or maybe just because of the Bush Adm.'s general obsession w/secrecy in all matters. It's definitely interesting, though.

[The Witch]

22. Have they gotten to Hagel? Let's find out...

:popcorn:

[spanone]

25. Here comes Hagel....right now!

[Sydnie]

26. Pass the cheese please ... I need a new flavor if I am going to

keep eating popcorn. :rofl:

[The Witch]

30. cream cheese for Hagel the Bagel. n/t

[Viva_La_Revolution]

24. now Hagel up. What's with all the repukes in a row? nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

28. Not sure, but thought I heard at the start the order is based

on when they 'show up' vs. seniority. :shrug:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

37. oh yes, I remember now. nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

31. There we go! "September 11th"

*sigh*

Although, he's correct in his interpretation of the "polls" that say Americans have lost confidence in the Government...in THEM.

[EVDebs]

36. Read post #19 and follow the cookie crumbs.....

[Norquist Nemesis]

43. Interesting...thanks! n/t

[The Witch]

29. A new comic for my friends on the Hayden thread!! ;-)

Click on the comic for more!

[dogday]

35. Perfecto---Wonderful

It is great and accurate too.... :kick:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

40. ...

:applause:

[Sydnie]

41. Love it!!! n/t

[dogday]

33. Someone wake me when Hagel is finished

boring.......

[Norquist Nemesis]

34. He might surprise us

Nah...

[spanone]

39. 1st question is questionable. Let's get back to OUR people.

The 4th amendment. Our Rights. Our Liberties. Our Freedoms.

Hayden, stop with the baseball bullshit similies.

[Norquist Nemesis]

38. Oh goody! More sports analogies

Not sure which sport, though.

[Norquist Nemesis]

42. H:" This is the youngest analytic workforce in the history of the CIA"

Apparently, the older ones have either been outed our resigned.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

44. several quit out of disgust. nt.

[LSK]

45. wasnt Valery Plame in charge of Iranian Nuke proliferation??

:shrug:

[Norquist Nemesis]

50. "Some say" she was just a low level secretary

But, yes. She was.

:woohoo: FEINGOLD!!!

[mikelgb]

47. HAGEL SAID THEY SELECTIVELY CHOSE...

intel for Iraq war...

[spanone]

48. FISA: General, YOU BROKE THE LAW... Obey the law or rewrite it.

YOU BROKE IT HAYDEN....now you are trying to justify it. This should be a criminal court, but instead we are witnessing a criminal being confirmed to run our Intelligence agency.

[mikelgb]

49. Russ Up!

[spanone]

55. Go Russ, kick some ass. Somebody speak for THE PEOPLE.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

FEINGOLD IS UP

:bounce:

[LSK]

51. SHOWTIME: ITS FEINGOLD TIME!!!

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Sydnie]

53. "The program is illegal"

I heard the truth today ... right out of Russ's mouth!

[Norquist Nemesis]

57. *ahem* CLEARLY illegal and the President misled us

:applause:

[Norquist Nemesis]

54. WOW!! Roberts is going to try and bitch-slap him

when his times up.

GO RUSS!!!!!!!!!!!

[dogday]

62. Russ has already told one Chairman

see ya, is he going to make it two???

[LSK]

66. i doubt it, this is actually important

[dogday]

69. And the Amendment to ban Same-Sex

is not? I don't like amendments to my Constitution that forbid people from having rights and I think it is important..... And it was in important this morning in the Senate, it made a statement....

Both of these subjects deal with rights, our individual rights, all rights are important.....

[LSK]

78. yes both deal with rights

But one is the Right wings wet dream with no chance of passing.

The other is happening right now and is about to get worse.

[The Witch]

56. WAHOOOO!!!!

:applause: :woohoo:

[LSK]

59. i fucking love this guy

This country is based on principles such as nobody is above the law.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

52. after briefing yesterday, he is more convinced than ever that it is

ILLEGAL

[The Witch]

58. ATTA BOY RUSS :-)

Happy Happy Joy Joy!!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

63. GDMF!!!! "OBL crossing from Canada to New York"

Completely irresponsible for him to have made those little comments! :grr:

People in gas stations and shops throughout the US that Faux tuned in are going to hear that in passing and think, "What? OBL was passing back and forth across the Canadian border?"

[dogday]

64. OBL takes advantage of the low prescription

drug prices in Canada.. He likes it there....

[Norquist Nemesis]

LOL n/t

[dogday]

65. Hayden said I consult my lawyers and my conscience

both of them are rotten.....

[Spazito]

68. Yep, a deliberate comment on his part, one has to wonder why

given all the hijackers were in the US legally, with legal visas given to them in countries, by US embassy officials, that did NOT include Canada.

[Marie26]

81. Blame Canada!

Should we blame the government, or blame society,
or should we blame the images on tv? No!
Blame Canada! Blame Canada
With all their beady little eyes,
their flapping heads so full of lies
It seems that everything's gone wrong
since Canada came along
Blame Canada! Blame Canada!
They're not even a real country anyway.
We must blame them and cause a fuss
Before somebody thinks of blaming us!

[Sydnie]

60. We need to call this guy "Samantha"

He twitches his nose so often, we all must be under a spell by now!

[dogday]

61. I love this man---could not even type

until Hayden started talking... Go Russ Go!!!1

[Norquist Nemesis]

67. "Presidential Authority, Presidential Authority, Presidential Authority"

He apparently subscribes to that "Unitary Executive" philosophy. He keeps talking "presidential authority" but won't say it is "lawful" in the same sentence.

[Norquist Nemesis]

70. LOL! "Why does Congress even need to pass laws under

Article 2?" :rofl:

[Avalux]

71. "I'll give you details in closed session, all right??"

Asshole. :eyes:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

72. I'll take that "closed session" answer as a yes..

Innocent Americans have been falsely targeted under this program. :mad:


edited for: spelling while pissed off

[Norquist Nemesis]

74. He also said "probable cause" standard with that vs. the

'reasonable' standard he was referring to with DiFi.

[Norquist Nemesis]

73. OOPS! I'll tell you in closed session if we've spied on people

not associated with AQ. And BTW, anyone notice he ditched that 'reasonable' standard and called up the 'probable cause' standard.

[Marie26]

75. Somebody should take

a hidden tape recorder into one of those "closed sessions" & wiretap HIM. It'd serve him right.

[Norquist Nemesis]

76. LOL! Vaccuum time!

Chambliss is up. Later! :hi:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

77. "maybe some of the good things happening will get leaked soon too...

it just seems to be the bad things being leaked"

OMG!!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[dogday]

79. Chamblis sure did make this thread drop

nobody is posting.. I don't blame them, he is boring....

[Viva_La_Revolution]

80. I'm still listening... but other than the blatent pandering...

there's nothing to comment on. :shrug:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

82. Mukulski up (D) nt

[dogday]

83. Thanks for the heads up....

[LSK]

86. Portor Goss brought in political hacks and almost destroyed the CIA

[LSK]

88. Intel powergrab coming out of DOD

She is not holding back!

[Avalux]

84. "Good old fashion blue collar values"

Well that's good enough for me. I hope she gets over that one. :eyes:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

85. she says she thinks he is a man of personal integraty... but...

she has questions of his "Independence" and loyalty to the constitution instead of the president.

[dogday]

87. What is your chain of command and

who is your supervisor?

[dogday]

89. Speaking truth to power,

no way he is more a truthiness person....

[Viva_La_Revolution]

90. she is bringing up the chain of command, he says Negroponte

is his boss. She is worried about DOD. I'm more worried that Shrub is his CIC - I wish she would ask about that!

[dogday]

91. Yep

Bush is his guy---you betcha ya....

[Viva_La_Revolution]

92. ***THREAD 5 IS UP***

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