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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 03:19 AM
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RW man, that I debate from time to time. I will not post his name, but here are his thoughts on Immigration, and anti-bush people, I will seperate both areas...give me your thoughts, and reactions about what the RW thinks...thanks.

about immigration ...

A silly but good idea stuck me on the way home. I was listening to the Sean Hannity show and heard how many of the illegal aliens from Mexico (let's be honest here - that's exactly what they are) truly do want to be American citizens, they want to take part in American culture, they want to BE Americans, how they love America, and how they want better lives for themselves and their families. I have no idea whether or not this is true as I'm not aware of anybody who has telepathic abilities that could tell us for certain.

Let me be very clear here. I do NOT support the idea of granting amnesty to those who would violate our laws to come here. Now with that out of the way, how about this? Why don't we accept all of the Mexicans who truly to want to become a part of American society; those who truly to want to blend into the distinct American culture - and send to Mexico all of the America-hating liberals we currently have? Make it a 5 to 1 exchange. For every America-hating liberal that gets sent to Mexico, we will take 5 Mexicans who want to become part of America.

It's a great deal! Everybody's happy! Mexicans who truly want to become Americans will be able to do so. Those who hate America - those who think America is a diabolically evil country - can put their money where their mouths are and go to Mexico. It's a win-win situation (for America at least). I don't know how well it would work out for Vicente Fox. I personally think it would serve him right for not encouraging his own countrymen to be more respectful of our laws.

Before you start flame commenting me, yes.. I realize that not all liberals hate America. We can have honest disagreements over policy without the personal attacks, i.e., Bush is a terrorist, Bush is Hitler, Cheney is Hitler, Rumsfeld is Hitler, etc., etc.

THATS, the end of his immigration rant, nice isn't it? Here is his anti-bush remark thoughts...enjoy...*****

: Bush is NOT MY FUCKIN PRESIDENT!
(Actually, yes he is - whether you like it or not - and for all of his faults and mistakes, he's still better than Clinton)

First president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
(Assuming we're not speaking of "college-year indiscretions," what was he convicted of? Please refresh my memory. How many Administration officials were indicted, convicted, and sent to prison during Clinton's eight years in office?)

In his first two years in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
(The economic slump began during the Clinton era, Bush simply inherited the mess. Our economy today is better than ever. College grads have the best employment chances today than they've ever had before.)

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
(Congress controls spending, not the President. The President can veto what comes out of Congress, but Congress can in turn override a Presidential Veto. The President does submit a budget, but Congress CAN say no. The President only gets what Congress goes along with. Pay attention in Government class.)

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
(The stock market was artificially inflated to begin with. A market correction was long overdue. Any honest economist, accountant, or financial planner will tell you this.)

Cut the taxes of the wealthiest people in America, those making over $200,000 a year.
(The wealthiest people in America - those making over $200,000 a year - already pay the majority of tax revenue to begin with. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you're paying the majority of taxes, a tax cut will benefit you more than it would the person who pays little or nothing in comparison. Rich people are just as entitled to their money as the rest of us are. If rich people feel the pinch, what do you think you're going to feel? The shit always rolls downhill as the saying goes.)

Members of Bush Administration are the richest administration in history.
(Being successful is a crime? That sucks. I'd like to have that level of success myself someday. And they're nowhere near as rich as those funding the left-wing smear sites like MoveOn.org etc., *cough cough* George Soros (who funnels his billions of dollars overseas to avoid taxation when not funneling it through channels in America to influence elections.) Are we not yet noticing a "class warfare" theme here? Yes, let's get those evil rich people.)

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in U.S. history.
(The President NEVER gets a real vacation. Ever.)

Cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any president in U.S. history.
(You don't need unemployment benefits if you're employed. If you've been unemployed for an exceptionally long period of time, you're not looking hard enough AND you're being too picky. There are plenty of jobs out there. Employers are griping because they can't find good help. I'm fed up with the notion that people think there are SOME jobs that are beneath them. There's no job that's beneath you if you want to work badly enough. Period. It's not the government's responsibility to provide for you. I believe very strongly in something called "personal responsibility." If I suddenly came to work to find I was losing my job, I know damn good and well that I'd better find another one, and quick. So would I flip Big Macs if it were the only job I could find? You bet I would. I wouldn't be happy about it - and I'd be searching for something better while doing it - but it's MY responsibility to provide for myself, not the government's. Also, let's be clear on one thing. When I say "The Government," it is in reality "The Taxpayers" we're talking about. Why would I expect others to take care of me? I wouldn't, but that's just me. I've never been unemployed in my life for longer than a couple of weeks and I have no trouble finding work. And trust me when I tell you there's nothing special about me. I'm just a schmuck. If I can do it, anybody can.)

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
(treaties we never should have entered into in the first place)

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases.
(The President doesn't control the nation's purse strings, Congress does. Many of those spending increases - directly incorporated into the legislation itself - are automatic. Not that Congress has either the incentive or the backbone to revisit and revise said legislation. The notion of saving the taxpayers money SHOULD be incentive, but Congress doesn't see it that way. They think it's THEIR money, not ours.)

First president in U.S. history to attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
(The so-called "World Community" would have left Saddam Hussein in power. I think that's all I need to say about the so-called "World Community." The U.N. is NOT a "world government" and considering the level of corruption from within it's own ranks, and their horrible record of supporting countries with the worst cases of human rights abuse (can we say "Most Favored Nation" trading status for China?), I'm amazed that anybody takes the U.N. seriously. Furthermore, why should we care what France & Germany think? France did a lot of business with Saddam & Iraq. I think we all see where Chirac is coming from. As for Germany, now that the socialist weasel Gerhard Schroder is gone, I'm hopeful that Angela Merkel can restore some sanity over there. I shall not hold my breath though.)

Took the biggest world sympathy for the U.S. after 9/11, and in less than a year, made the U.S. the most resented country in the world.
(There are going to be people who hate us - and the idea of freedom - no matter what we do. Doing the right thing isn't always popular. That's a lesson we learned in grade school.)

First U.S. president in history to have a majority of people in Europe (over 70 percent) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
(Again, why should we care what Europe thinks? Europe has it's own problems with Islamo-facist infiltration and socialism. Muslims are already flooding into Europe and changing the socio-economic dynamics of the continent. How much longer before Europe is predominantly Muslim? That's a bigger threat to stability and world peace than George W. Bush is. I won't even waste my breath on Socialism. I'm surprised that form of government isn't already on the dead ash heap of history.)

In the 18 months following the 9/11 attacks, he has successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
(That would take brains to do, something the Bush-bashers don't credit him as having. Some say he's the most diabolically evil bastard the world has ever seen - worse than Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong Il. Others says he's a brain-dead moron. OK Liberals, which is it? You can't have it both ways.)

You'll notice that I still refer to those on the left as "Liberals," ignoring the "Progressive" tag that they've adopted today. The reason I do this is because there is nothing at all that is progressive about them. They still rehash the same tired, worn-out ideas that failed 40 years ago. They're arrogant enough to believe that the ideas failed "because the right PEOPLE weren't in charge." Rubbish, I say.

I could go on and on (trust me - I could, and you know it!), but I think I'll just quit while I'm ahead. And before you call me a Bush kool-aid drinker, I will tell you there are many areas in which I disagree with him - first and foremost, his inability/unwillingness to protect our nation's borders, language and culture. I can't solely blame Bush for that though. Congress and the Supreme Court are just as guilty.

Don't agree with me? That's fine. We live in America and you have that right. In some places, you wouldn't have the right to question your government. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that Republicans are always right and Democrats are always wrong. Far from it, in fact. But don't sit there and blame Bush for everything that happens. Not everything is Bush's fault. For once in your lives, turn your hat around so it's facing forward, turn off the sports or MTV videos or the internet porn, and open your eyes a bit.


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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 03:30 AM
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1. I could shred his arguments without raising a sweat...
but he'd never understand anything that didn't fit his worldview, so what's the point?
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 03:34 AM
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2. exactly...
so could and I, and try from time to time, but i'm starting to accept/realize that there are people that cannot see things differently. Its amazing, that i see things, a certain way, and my friend here, see's them in a totally different light..its like, i say the sky is blue, and he argues, that its red...but, this man, is oen of the reasons why i am glad i found DU...a lot of my debates with this man, was in a chat forum, the forum was loaded with RW nut jobs. DU made me realize, that i wasn't alone, and that i wasn't going crazy...:)

Its just nice getting some, encouragement, and support...cause if this is what the other side is thinking, heaven forbid....heaven fucking forbid.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 03:45 AM
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3. It's a lot of that "bootstrap levitation" bullshit...
they think that everyone can simply make it without any community support because, by god, they did. Not taking into consideration that everyone's lives are different and they're working with totally different skill sets and mental and emotional burdens.

And, yeah, I used to post on the about.com Civil Liberties boards. A lot of Cons and Libertarians over there... after 9/11 it got scary, and by the time we invaded Iraq, I just couldn't talk to those people anymore. A few seemed to have a clue, but some? They would shriek like their toenails were being chewed off by a family of weasels if a Democratic Administration tried ANY of this crap, yet they're willing to give this yutz and his cabal a pass on just about anything.

Hopeless.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 04:01 AM
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4. I agree
Edited on Thu May-18-06 04:02 AM by petersond
the main thing, my friend here, hammers to me, all the time is "I don't really trust government, and I don't want them in my personal life"...and i stand stunned, and utterly speechless, that he says that, and supports bush, is pro-life, against gay marriage...the list goes on. And i always hammer him, on if he doesn't trust govt, than why does he have so much faith in W? His response is this "It would be worse if a Dem was in office." What a totally fucked off response that is.

I don't think, they can see past it..its like, a thick veil is in front of their eyes, and the hypocritical nature of his comments, strikes me...after debating with this man for two years now, i am inclined to think he pays way to much attention to fox news ,and cannot admit, that he is wrong in the least bit.

I just have to admit to myself, that there are people out there, who are a total polar/idealogy opposite of myself, and it amazes me that there are people like that out there.

I believe your statement of

"they think that everyone can simply make it without any community support because, by god, they did. Not taking into consideration that everyone's lives are different and they're working with totally different skill sets and mental and emotional burdens"

Him and i have gone round and round, on this...he believes, if you just put your head to the grindstone, you can get whatever you want, which in itself is an all right strength to have, but in reality, thats not how things work out. In jobs, in anything, you can get beat out by nepotism, or just sheer dumb luck, or happenstance...its like he doesn't even realize, that we are all different.

Him and I have basically stopped talking to one another, because he has crossed some racial discourse about minorities, and american indians. I'm american indian, and i find all his thoughts/ideas about american indians to be down right despicable, along with all his other thoughts on why he believes our country is going down the toilet because of blacks/hispanics/minorities...

The thread, i posted, is some of his writings, i saved, to show to my wife, and i rediscovered them tonight, going through my saved emails folder...but, thanks for the discussion, i appreciate it...at times, i feel like i'm losing my sanity...:toast:

on edit:typos...
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 04:43 AM
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5. Sometimes you just gotta say "fuck it"
and not play with these people for a while. As I've said many times. It's like shouting down a well, except when you shout down a well, at least the echoes are comprehensible.

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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 03:15 PM
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6. true, true
i see you are in Washington via your profile, are you a M's fan? If you are, damn, we need some help big time...its a sad day when your ace is Jamie Moyer..and Sexton's bat needs to wake the fuck up....
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 03:48 PM
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7. I'm an 'M's fan...but I miss the old lineup...
I've been too busy to follow them lately.
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