Don't the '24 business hours' expire today?

[Freddie Stubbs]

Eight hours Monday, plus eight hours Tuesday, plus eight hours today would equal 24 business hours, right?

[mdmc]

1. Is the lunch hour paid for?

might need to tack on a day.

[arwalden]

6. Be Fair Now... Three Lunches PLUS Six 15-Minute Breaks...

Oooo! This is so exciting, I can barely stand the wait.

[Saboburns]

60. Your forgetting something.

According to the Andy Griffith Show:

Monday was National Potato Day.
Tuesday was Groundhog Observance Day.
Wednesday was National Mow Yer Lawn Day.

I'm not sure how this affects the 24 business hour thingy.

Just tryin to be helpful.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. Well, if you're going to be picky about it,

I think maybe you should take into account that it was never written that these "24 business hours" were to be measured in specific units. So, they might be Martian hours, or even Venutian hours.

It could also be some sort of metric conspiracy that those friggin' French are trying to slip in on us. Watch them.

Personally, I think that we should just all start counting out loud, and when we reach 1,000,000, we can start all over and somehow convince everyone that the "24 business hours" concept was not a case of flaming monkeys flying out of some delusional's butt, that it was, in fact, a tried and true device used in American jurisprudence - despite the fact that no one ever heard of it before.

Pray for the monkeys.

Start counting.

[seriousstan]

3. Mars days would give about another 2 days, but on venus well....

let's just say you have time to learn the language.

[Jacobin]

9. And don't dismiss the possibility that since Fitz is Irish,

his calculations could be based on the Celtic calendar, whose properties are known only to a few Druids who have seen the calendar inscribed on golden tablets, and who will only tell you the date if you provide them with a virgin to give them a pedicure.

[lonestarnot]

4. 1 .2..3 4 5. 6. 7 .8 9 10. 11. 12 .13. 14 .15

17 1...2....3...444.....1..2

[onenote]

16. in Rove's case wouldn't they be dog year business days?

[progmom]

22. excellent post

:rofl:

[Inland]

54. Does Fitz's office not use days of the week for some reason

so they couldn't say, "by this Tuesday" or "by five o'clock on the eighteenth?"

[OldLeftieLawyer]

56. Dates are used

because they're specific. You cannot claim you didn't understand what "May 18, 2006, by 6 pm" meant, can you?

Lawyers like specificity. It's worked for us for so long, why quit now?

Oh, and there's no such thing as "24 business hours." That one flew out of someone's butt, and it was probably on fire when it did.

[Goblinmonger]

58. Maybe it's "24 BIBLICAL business hours"

Then we are talking eons before the indictment comes down.

[Kellanved]

5. Nah. it's 24 base 16 business hours

Which means 36 business hours in the decimal system. Or just about a week.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

18. Best geekization of a non-geek thread I've seen in quite a while.

:thumbsup:

[redqueen]

39. hahahahahaha

Nice :)

[Jacobin]

7. Oh you just had to start this again

;-)

:popcorn:

[yodermon]

8. actually they expired on monday

"24 business hours" means 24 hours from Now, unless 24-hours-from-Now lands on a weekend, in which case it gets bumped up to Monday.

Google "24 business hours", it's not infrequently used.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%2224+business+hours%22&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
You only get 329,000 responese.

(of course the 1st link is Will Pitt's DU post ;)

[ellenfl]

15. the designation of 'business hours' precludes weekends and

holidays so 24 business hours should be 3 business days. of course, k-k-k-karl works overtime so i don't know how that will work.

i like to think it's 24 jack bauer business hours. :nuke:

ellen fl

[onenote]

17. actually, a 24 business hour deadline probably would've expired Monday

Here's a link to a case involving a state law that required information to be provided within 24 business hours of a request. The request was made at the end of the day on Thursday March 15. The government office in question was closed for business on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, reopening on Monday March 19. The order in this case concludes that a response was due at the end of the day on Monday the 19th, which is not what you would expect if 24 business hours meant three busineess days.

http://www.in.gov/pac/advisory/2001/2001fc21.html

[Jigarotta]

45. 24 business hours is just one day.

Don't forget all the business interests corporate business america has around the globe in all time zones. It's ONE DAY.

sorry, time's up!

[Misunderestimator]

10. Nah... it's Banker's Hours... expires on Friday.

10am - 4pm with a long lunch break... should expire around noon on Friday... but probably after lunch.

[Balbus]

14. Don't the banks have some sort of holiday every week?

So this could actually be pushed into next week sometime...

[DS1]

11. Aren't typical Gov't work hours 9 to 12, 1 to 4?

That's a 6 hour day.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. It can't be. Rove is going to be arm twisting the House GOP today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1213437

[Justice Is Comin]

13. Why doesn't anyone consider

that 24 hours for Rove to get his "affairs in order", if that exact language was ever said--and who the hell knows if it really was--doesn't mean that on the 24th hour and first minute that Patrick has to announce the indictment?

It only means that Rove was told something to the effect that he should be preparing for something other than his normal life very soon.

It don't mean a damn thing--if after the 24 hours--Rove has made whatever arrangements he needs to, and nothing has happened. It's when Patrick Fitzgerald has his affairs in order after that 24 hours, sufficiently enough to announce the indictment.

And I suspect, that's exactly what he's doing right now.

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. So the story is true as long as he is indiced someday

Maybe not this week, maybe not this month, maybe not this year...

...but as long as it happens someday the story titled "Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators" (published May 13, 2006) is not a load of BS. Is that what you are saying?

[Justice Is Comin]

20. I could imagine that

precise specifics of the info fed to Leopold could have been wrongly interpreted or badly written. I don't think these leakers are extremely comfortable with being discovered for what they are disclosing.

They wouldn't be casually talking about this in bar. It probably has almost aspects of James Bond covertness considering the explosive nature of this highest level government take down. People would seriously be risking their careers.

If announcement that Rove is indicted comes this week, Jason got it right. And he was the first one to publish it. Nobody else has published anything remotely suggesting it.

Not only that, I think it is probably mind boggling if we knew the world class chess match that is going on right now behind the scenes, which could change what was in fact credible information in general, at the time.

We probably won't ever know if the May 13th article was correct at the time. If it goes beyond this week however, there would be no justification for my support. The information would have been wrong, and I could no longer defend Jason Leopold.

[alcibiades_mystery]

23. Actually, the putative indictment if putatively unsealed

would list the putative date of its submission and return. So, your statement that we "probably won't ever know if the May 13th article was correct at the time" is about as accurate as the article itself.

[Justice Is Comin]

25. Not if the indictment

charges changed through negotiation. There is a judge involved here you know.

In that case, I don't know which would establish the document date. This is not a case with the importance of a governor at stake. This is one of the highest level indictments that would ever have been issued.

Autonomy would rest with the judge to get the best outcome for all concerned. And you can bet shit is flying behind the scenes.

We will DEFINITELY never know those details.

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. Nonsense

Doesn't work that way. There is by necessity a paper trail of any issued indictment, period.

By the way, you may remember the fucking ATTORNEY GENERAL of the UNITED STATES being indicted and sent to prison, yeah? This isn't even close to "one of the highest level indictments that would ever have been issued."

[cigsandcoffee]

24. I'd say the date on the indictment (assuming one comes)....

...would confirm the story.

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. There was a huge flood of the Mississippi River yesterday

OK, there wasn't, but if the Mississippi river ever does flood again, that statement will have been accurate, if it is uttered again on the day immediately following said flood, but also valid for today, since I am saying that it will have had happened already, in the future.

:rofl:

[garybeck]

27. here's why

because Pitt said it would be Tuesday or Wednesday:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1186820

[Goblinmonger]

59. My favorite line from that post

"'Jeez, Jason,' I said, 'we might want to put that into the essay. Half the planet thought 24 hours was 24 hours. They thought the deal would go down today.'"

That kind of writing puts the dialogue skills of Elmore Leonard and Quentin Tarantino to shame.

[Taxloss]

35. You must be feeling dizzy after all that spinning!

When a legal investigation this serious says "24 hours" it means "24 hours", not "some unspecified point in the near to medium term". If they were confident enough to indict Rove, they would indict Rove. If they weren't, they wouldn't say "oh, well, maybe we'll do it next week, so look sharp, eh?". This is for the same reasons that courts don't deliver a verdict of "probably guilty".

[garybeck]

26. Pitt said

In one of the defenses of Leopold, Pitt said clearly that the indictment would be Tuesday or maybe Wednesday. If it doesn't happen today, it's not looking good for TO

here's the link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1186820


my 2 cents-- if he gets indicted tomorrow, or next week, it would still be vindication for TO, however they shouldn't make direct statements like "it will be tuesday or wednesday" unless they are sure. statements like this just set us all up to look like fools. how many of us called up our friends and said it's going to happen at that time? We're learning the hard way, we just can't trust the info.

[Roon]

28. That is why when I tell stuff like this to family and friends

I always say, "The scuttlebut on the internet is....."

[garybeck]

30. yes, but

it's unfortunate when "the scuttlebut on the internet" turns out to be wrong, especially when it is presented so emphatically.

[Roon]

31. Better than saying..

Hey!!!! Rove was indicted!!!!!

[garybeck]

33. I agree, but that's exactly what Leopold said.

If we have to water down everything we read on these alternative news websites when we talk about the issues they present, it sort of defeats the purpose.

the purpose of the news is supposed to be, to tell us what is happening. If they aren't sure about something, then it can be present as such.

the news about the indictment was presented in a very emphatic tone. also in the hubbub after the articles, TO has stood by the story, saying it's "true" and the other people "are liars."

well if it is true, then we should be seeing an indictment today.

[gully]

32. Is it possible that something happened after the "meeting?" A last

minute plea?

[garybeck]

34. i don't think so.

the article said that Rove has been indicted. I'm not a lawyer but I believe the last minute plea deals are before the indictment. Once he's indicted, I don't think fitz is the type to open up to all sorts of negotiations. he's had plenty of opportunity to make deals, and all he's done instead is lie more.

[pitohui]

41. there wasn't any meeting EOM

.

[grytpype]

43. If Rove was not indicted last Friday, Leopold is toast.

Pure and simple. He said Rove had already been indicted last Friday. Either he was or he wasn't. If Rove is indicted at some time in the future, then Leopold still got it way, way wrong.

Anyway it's starting to look like he is a serial fabricator of the Steven Glass type and will never get published again except maybe in Capitol Hill Blue.

[Tom Joad]

36. There has been no indictment yet. Sorry.

Umm, you didn't really take that story seriously, did you?
I am hoping one comes soon.

[EminenceFront]

37. It's a number.

Floating out :beer: there in space. :beer: 24 hours is :beer: what you want it :beer: to be. :beer: It's just a :beer: NUMBER DAMMIT!!! :beer: Quit holding me :beer: to any standards. :beer: I'm my own fucking standard! :beer:

:beer:

:spank:

[alcibiades_mystery]

44. LOL

Big meanie! But at least you're not a cretin!

[darkstar]

46. Yeah..."it's a put on..."

:toast:

And welcome to DU. :hi:

[pitohui]

38. they expired monday

there is no such thing as 24 business hours, it's something pitt made up on the fly late at night when it became apparent there were big holes in leopold's story

[BlooInBloo]

40. He moved the goalposts yet again.... Now it's Saturday....

"Jason said he believed by Saturday night, his article would break in the Washington Post, New York Times and other papers."

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/014864.html

[Jigarotta]

48. Pitt believed that Jason said he believed...

oiy.

...and then I saw their face!
Now I'm a Believer!

yay, yay we're the Monkeys
and people say we Monkey around...

[OldLeftieLawyer]

52. Philistine non-believer

They are THE MONKEES!

Damn it. Kids today can't spell.

[BuyingThyme]

42. Indictment inschmightment.

[leftofthedial]

47. depends what business you're in

[Marie26]

49. Now be fair - there's still 2.5 hours left

I can't wait! Only 2 hours to go till Fitzmas. *Looking at watch excitedly*.

But, you know, if you factor in lunches & breaks, there's still about 7-8 business hours left over for Thursday. Maybe that's what they meant. Or, maybe the business is on vacation this week, & the 24 business hours start next week? Also a possibility. When someone makes up a term like "24 business hours," it's hard to know exactly what the definition is.

[Tom Joad]

50. LOL. Put your affairs in order? Like what, cancel newspaper delivery?

Tell the maid she is being deported? cancel cable?

[Marie26]

51. Oh, it's a long process

That's why you need 24 business hours to do it. Rove's got to instruct his minions, cancel his cable, hide his misgotten wealth, hand over control of conspiracies & election-stealing, reschedule his lunch w/the Devil, etc. He's a busy, important guy. And I'm glad Fitz gave him such an indeterminate, elastic, meaningless amount of time to get his affairs in order. It was also very considerate of him to hide the grand jury indictment that was apparantly already issued this Friday for 3+ days w/o ever breaking it to the public, especially considering the massive press conference he gave the last time he indicted someone.

[Inland]

53. Nah. Fitz works for the government, only five working hours a day.

eom

[Harper_is_Bush]

55. So it's fitzmas eve then!

[meisje]

57. 24 Hours Mork from Ork time... Like 4 years here on earth

[Radio_Guy]

61. So just because it wasn't reported in the MSM

doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I think they are being overly careful so that it doesn't shake out like the Bush national guard papers did. Those documents were accurate, but CBS was made to look bad. Rove has been indicted, but the networks don't want to be attacked again.

[Moderator]

62. locking...

Please continue here:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1224473