I think many of the TruthOut and RawStory bashers are GOP moles.

[benburch]

Having read enough bashing of reportage by TO and RS in the last three weeks to make my spleen ache, I have reached the conclusion that many (not all) of those bashing the reportage of these sources are PAID GOP MOLES, and are part of the Right Wing Spin Machine that serves the GOP Crime Syndicate.

[demobabe]

1. Oh come on

This is just flamebait. You know better than this.

[Name removed]

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[mdmc]

3. time alone, time will tell

perhaps it will all be moot by 6-6-06...

[Blue_In_AK]

29. Funny you should mention that date...

I was just commenting to my husband a bit ago that I am thrilled to death that we're going to be out on the road somewhere north of Fairbanks that day, camping out. The farther away from civilization, the better.

[Gabi Hayes]

4. this should be.....

[boston bean]

5. utoh..... five, four, three, two, ......

[pacalo]

6. That was my impression, too, ben.

As for whether or not they're being paid, the GOP must be getting them cheaply judging by their spelling expertise.

[HereSince1628]

7. Hardly, it's a consequence of the story being extraordinary.

Think back to when this popped up in Latest, it's not hard to imagine that a couple of ten thousands of DUers might have said to themselves, "Wow! That's incredible!"Which for most is to say it's astonishing.

Indeed, it's astonishing to the point of challenging belief and that is the literal meaning of "incredible."

I think an objective observer could look at samplings of DU reaction and see that, indeed, this story has reached the level of literal incredibility for a significant number of readers.

These now incredulous DUers will question the story and its their right to post those questions as participants of DU. The story has gone beyond their capacity to accept on faith in Leopold or Truthout. It's ok that they say that. It's the inclination of their personality, it's a matter of variability among DUers level of credulity, not a matter of their party loyalty.

This story is going to continue to cause clashes between believers and doubters that no longer can really be reconciled through discourse. Each group now has moved into domains with different standards for acceptance. Reducing argument to ad hominem attacks is hardly going to convert people on either side.

Being a different levels of acceptance doesn't mean that either group is evil or stupid. Or moles.

[treestar]

24. Many, not all, means there is room for that, too.

[DeBunk]

8. I'm Kenny DeBunk

Many people know me from other boards. I always go by either Kenny or DeBunk.

I've been reading Raw for a long time and have learned they are trustworthy.

This other thing...not so much.

I'm not sure why that makes me a GOP plant. But, if that's what gets you through the night...

[Gabi Hayes]

12. nice blog. did you post today's entry here?

I'm pretty sure I saw it

[DeBunk]

13. Yes. I almost always do it that way

I kind of hate it when people use message board to promote their blogs. So I usually post a blog entry on a message board first and then put it on my blog.

I don't often post the permalink, I just let the blog address sit in my sig.

[Roland99]

16. I like that idea. Just started doing that, myself.

[DeBunk]

22. cool...

The blog looks great. I'll bookmark.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

23. You saw nothing

You were blinded by your usual PAID GOP MOLE outrage, don't forget.

Was that you?

[acmavm]

9. What purpose would it serve these 'moles' to deny the validity of a

story only to be proven wrong in the end? That makes no sense.

[DeBunk]

11. ...

First we must have verifiable facts. Then we decide what is the truth.

Not first we decide what's true and then we fix the facts.

[acmavm]

25. The OP referred to more than just the KKKarl is a goner story. And

in that context I asked why would they deny something that could very well end up being true? It ain't freeper moles, it's people who are sceptical (rightly or wrongly) over non-verified stories.

[DeBunk]

31. You are absolutely right...

If this story is a planted rumor, like I believe. Why on earth would GOP moles try to put water on it. They would want to reinforce it.

In fact I bet the people who are attacking the skeptical are in fact GOP moles. They want to make sure as many people believe this story as possible. So they are running a smear campaign against those who are skeptical.

[hholli-1]

10. I know you from another forum...

and just because I am a bit cautious (once bitten, twice shy and all that) does not make me a troll, or a mole. I am happy that Mr. Leopold stands by his story, and I apologize if my cautiousness causes you pause about my intentions. I certainly don't want you (or Mr. Leopold, for that matter) to take my skepticism personally. My apprehension here is much more a defense mechanism than it is anything else.

[alcibiades_mystery]

14. I like to Capitalize Certain Words in order to name

Ominous Shadow Organizations, too.

;-)

[benburch]

17. But it's so much fun!

;)

[havocmom]

15. Wouldn't surprise many of us at all

The tone on many threads has been a bit, shall we say, under the bridge :evilgrin:

To the un-trolls who bash TO and RS because so far MSM has remained mum on many issues, a question or two:

Y'all know (and regularly point out) that MSM is a corporate tool and controlled by the same dark forces that control the junta in the WH. How in hell is their seal of approval, or lack of, worth anything? Ya know they are mostly hos and stenos! Ya know they only get their paychecks if they stick to the approved party line! Ask yourselves: Where is Ashley Banfield these days?

And ya know bush is known for his nasty-ass temper tantrums. Remember back during Katrina? Remember news that the WH staff was afraid to tell the spoiled brat how bad things were and that he had to take off his party clothes and get back to presidentin' in D.C., cutting his vacation short a few days. How hard must it be to draw straws on who has to break this story to him?

Hey, Rove told the crew last week he was gonna get the papers. Any wonder they decided The Decider had to give a speech Monday night? That way, they can keep him isolated getting ready to do some serious presidentin'.

It is human nature to drag one's feet on facing really unpleasant tasks. When you have the pull to enlist MSM in your efforts to avoid shit, you can put things off a bit longer than the average citizen.

The savage and subtle attacks on websites that really do report the news and do some in depth journalism are testament to the effectiveness of those web sites. They have been proving their metal for several years while MSM continues to falter in getting the story.

The neocons know they are losing to the voices for truth on the web and they are running scared. And how have they dealt with truth tellers over and over in the past? Paid Swift-boaters

Now, back to your regularly scheduled gloom and doom ;)

[DeBunk]

20. I never bashed raw. Or TO for that matter

I simply said I am not convinced.

I don't understand why people's feeling are hurt over something like that. You don't even know me. WTF do you care what I think?

It's simply a forum to post our opinions. I did that. Now all of a sudden I must be a paid mole because I'm not ready to jump on the bandwagon?

Please.

[treestar]

27. No, many, not all, means that that you could be a doubter and still

not a mole.

[Maddy McCall]

30. LOL. That's rich.

:eyes:

[Maddy McCall]

26. You know me--somewhat personally. Do you think I'm a GOP mole?

I ask questions about details...it's my nature because of my occupation.

I think that people who do good journalistic work should receive credit for the work they do.

I think that Drudge Report and the websites of that ilk, left or right, often engage in shoddy reportage.

I like facts instead of sensationalism.

I think that sources should be verifiable.

Since when did critical thought and questioning become attributes of GOP moles?

The people who don't know me--I could give less than a flying fuck about.

But you know me. If you think I'm a GOP mole--if you honestly think that--please say so.

I am not a "Kool Aid" drinker. I don't engage in hero worship and take what ever that icon says as fact. I question people--including my leaders and the journalists who represent our side.

It is no better of us to call the rightists "Kool Ade drinkers" than it is for us to take prominent leftist journalists words as the gospel truth and without question and accountability, for then we become "Kool Ade drinkers" ourselves.

[MrBenchley]

18. Sure they're not "lesbian separatists," Ben?

[originalpckelly]

19. I trust truthout but not raw story...

I think raw story has significant credibility problems. I have read a lot of things there, that were self-corrected days later by the site. If the Rove indictment proves to be wrong, I will no longer trust truthout, but until then I have no reason to not trust them.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

21. Yeah - how dare anyone have a different opinion?

Nice. If their thinking doesn't square with yours, you label them PAID GOP MOLES.

Nice.

I sure as hell hope this was some kind of joke, because if it's a serious post, something's broken there.

[Maddy McCall]

28. Hey, have you heard when we get our paycheck for last night's work?

Karl said that it would be in 24 hours, but I'm trying to figure out if he meant over the weekend or in business days.

:silly: :banghead: :freak:

[Moderator]

32. Lock

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